Jaskalas
Lifer
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Nonsense! They already gave up on the word communism and shifted the ideals to more friendly terms that people can attach themselves to without remembering all the failed attempts.
Nonsense! They already gave up on the word communism and shifted the ideals to more friendly terms that people can attach themselves to without remembering all the failed attempts.
Freshgeardude
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I guess in his old age he had a moment of clarity. How ironic, that as he approaches senility he has his most clear thought.
WhipperSnapper
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What about a nation like Germany which has a much larger population? France? Etc.
Zebo
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Mixed economies seems to be most successful. For good reason, control of assets and means of production lends itself to collection and monopoly and w/o some form of redistribution we get a few or one with everything and misery and destitution for all.. How they solved this "problem" in the past was bloody revolutions - kill those that have, redistribute and start annew. Mixed economies OTOH seem to have a democratic element so redistribution can take and organized and peaceful form.
Communism is a fail because it is too redistributive and they must force you to work which basically is a police state.
Communism is a fail because it is too redistributive and they must force you to work which basically is a police state.
Or you could ignore their composition of immigrants v natives.
Everyone knows why Scandavian countries do so well. Anyone who spells it out would be "racist." Dont be dense.
Zebo
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I don't really believe in race. Seen it all, deadbeat whites deadbeat blacks etc the difference is western thought, which just happens to be white bread but more and more countries are adopting it. It basically empowers everyone so society can grow. China is kinda fucked right now with political and cultural taboos hence they copy everything. Africa has tin pot dictators. Muslim world 7th century religion crippling them... Notice immigrants from all these places kick ass and take names in West?
I bet you could set an FOB Chinese in any city in America with $50 and he's middle class in 5 years. Probably some are millionaires. Why *was* he working 70 hrs a week for $40 in China on a company compound? Think about it.
To help all you need to know is who profits most from their labor, them or employers, and who sets rate. Only a fool would let someone else decide for them.
I bet you could set an FOB Chinese in any city in America with $50 and he's middle class in 5 years. Probably some are millionaires. Why *was* he working 70 hrs a week for $40 in China on a company compound? Think about it.
To help all you need to know is who profits most from their labor, them or employers, and who sets rate. Only a fool would let someone else decide for them.
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Shh, we don't include successful socialism in discussions about its merits.
Because Marxism will never lead to Communism. He naively believed that once the state had complete control it would dismantle itself, which never happens in the real world. Assuming that Communism could ever actually exist in the real world, Marxism sure as hell isn't the way to get there.
Yup, communists and tea party people are a lot alike, in that the former just wanted to throw out fat cats without enough concern for what would replance them, and the latter just want to complain about the economy by throwing out Democrats without enough concern about who would replace them.
Same basic mentality and same basic mistake. Each has fantasy-based opinions about the virtues of their champions.
Tea party people can't handle any problems and instead of keeping better leaders to work on problems, throw them out to disasters who make it a lot worse.
The tea party is racing to replace democracy with plutocratic tyranny.
Hayabusa Rider
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It's a lot like progressives. Give government the power and all will be well. Just like Castro.
Steeplerot
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Once again the media totally skews the point to fit it's agenda.
Cuba: from communist to co-operative?
Fidel Castro's admission that Cuba isn't working doesn't mean a change to capitalism – far from it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/sep/10/fidel-castro-cuba-communist
He was saying what everyone already knows, Stalinism is fail.
This being said he and his brother should step down from their undemocratic self-appointments if he does believe in Socialism. His antics have done nothing to help.
Cuba: from communist to co-operative?
Fidel Castro's admission that Cuba isn't working doesn't mean a change to capitalism – far from it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/sep/10/fidel-castro-cuba-communist
He was saying what everyone already knows, Stalinism is fail.
This being said he and his brother should step down from their undemocratic self-appointments if he does believe in Socialism. His antics have done nothing to help.
squirrel dog
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Name 3 lies he's told. Why should we listen to you, when you just made a false accusation?
feralkid
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I was trying to make the point of double standards...that if Fidel said the sky was blue, the paranoids on this forum would likely call him a liar.
But when they believe he said something anti-communist, they agree with him.
Or to put it more simply: Sarcasm.
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Post your proof, or you will be clearly exposed as someone who posts allegations without evidence.
WelshBloke
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You do realise that the execution and imprisonment rates in the USA are higher than that in Cuba dont you?
Just curious.
Siddhartha
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http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-n...o-says-he-was-misinterpreted-on-Cuban-economy
Fidel Castro says he was misinterpreted on Cuban economy
Fidel Castro said he was not misquoted by Jeffrey Goldberg, a national correspondent for The Atlantic magazine, but in fact he meant 'exactly the opposite.'
HAVANA
Fidel Castro said Friday that his comments about Cuba's communist economic model no longer working were misinterpreted by a visiting American journalist — taking back an admission that had caused a stir around the globe.
Goldberg wrote Wednesday that he asked Castro over lunch and wine if Cuba's communist system was still worth exporting to other countries. He quoted Castro as replying: "The Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore."
Castro read from the blog during an event at the University of Havana, before saying that he intended the remark to be ironic and Goldberg didn't pick up on the subtlety. His tone was not angry — more baffled and even a bit bemused.
"I continue to think that Goldberg is a great journalist. He doesn't invent phrases, he transmits them and interprets them," Castro said.
Julia Sweig, a Cuba expert at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations who accompanied Goldberg on the trip, had confirmed Castro's comment.
She told The Associated Press this week it seemed to be in line with calls by Raul Castro, Fidel's brother and successor, for gradual but widespread reform on the island.
Goldberg also missed the intended irony in another statement, Castro said, when he wrote Tuesday that the former Cuban leader questioned his own actions during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis — including a recommendation to Soviet leaders that they use nuclear weapons against the United States.
Castro said what he meant was that he would have acted differently if he knew then that Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev was such a heavy drinker who was privately negotiating with the administration of President John F. Kennedy.
Castro had invited Goldberg to Cuba to discuss Iran — not domestic island politics — and he apparently did not elaborate on his comment on the economy, making it difficult to decipher his exact meaning.
Still, it made headlines the world over: London's The Guardian newspaper called it "an aside heard around the world."
Fidel Castro says he was misinterpreted on Cuban economy
Fidel Castro said he was not misquoted by Jeffrey Goldberg, a national correspondent for The Atlantic magazine, but in fact he meant 'exactly the opposite.'
HAVANA
Fidel Castro said Friday that his comments about Cuba's communist economic model no longer working were misinterpreted by a visiting American journalist — taking back an admission that had caused a stir around the globe.
Goldberg wrote Wednesday that he asked Castro over lunch and wine if Cuba's communist system was still worth exporting to other countries. He quoted Castro as replying: "The Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore."
Castro read from the blog during an event at the University of Havana, before saying that he intended the remark to be ironic and Goldberg didn't pick up on the subtlety. His tone was not angry — more baffled and even a bit bemused.
"I continue to think that Goldberg is a great journalist. He doesn't invent phrases, he transmits them and interprets them," Castro said.
Julia Sweig, a Cuba expert at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations who accompanied Goldberg on the trip, had confirmed Castro's comment.
She told The Associated Press this week it seemed to be in line with calls by Raul Castro, Fidel's brother and successor, for gradual but widespread reform on the island.
Goldberg also missed the intended irony in another statement, Castro said, when he wrote Tuesday that the former Cuban leader questioned his own actions during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis — including a recommendation to Soviet leaders that they use nuclear weapons against the United States.
Castro said what he meant was that he would have acted differently if he knew then that Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev was such a heavy drinker who was privately negotiating with the administration of President John F. Kennedy.
Castro had invited Goldberg to Cuba to discuss Iran — not domestic island politics — and he apparently did not elaborate on his comment on the economy, making it difficult to decipher his exact meaning.
Still, it made headlines the world over: London's The Guardian newspaper called it "an aside heard around the world."
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IGBT
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evidence?? when did that ever matter to liberals? all they care about is the seriousness of the charge.
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