Carson: Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The Devil

[Retro Rob]

Being able to repeat the data from a college education does not make a person intelligent.

lol

 

[Retro Rob]

An all-powerful God that is both good and evil can be explained with some logic, but an all-powerful God (who is wholly good) and Satan existing together is simply so illogical as to be irrational.

Both good and bad people exists in the world, so I guess that's also illogical.

 

[Retro Rob]

What's the difference between believing Satan is real and believing god is real?

There IS no difference...

 

[IronWing]

There IS no difference...

I think the existence of a cosmic jerk is far more plausible than the existence of a omnipotent, loving creator god.

 

[Retro Rob]

I think the existence of a cosmic jerk is far more plausible than the existence of a omnipotent, loving creator god.

lol.

I just laugh at threads like this though, because they're simply a platform to castigate people for not believing dominate scientific thinking.

Oh that's right, the ptolemaic system held sway over scientific thinking for about 1,500 years.

Imagine who the "idiots" are now..

 

[sandorski]

Both good and bad people exists in the world, so I guess that's also illogical.

"God" and "people" are not in any way numerically similar. Even if "God" exists.

 

[sandorski]

lol.

I just laugh at threads like this though, because they're simply a platform to castigate people for not believing dominate scientific thinking.

Oh that's right, the ptolemaic system held sway over scientific thinking for about 1,500 years.

Imagine who the "idiots" are now..

Science improves with time.

 

[Retro Rob]

"God" and "people" are not in any way numerically similar. Even if "God" exists.

He was saying essentially that "wholly Good (whatever that means) and evil can't logically exist at the same time.

It *can*, and does.

 

[Charmonium]

lol.

I just laugh at threads like this though, because they're simply a platform to castigate people for not believing dominate scientific thinking.

Oh that's right, the ptolemaic system held sway over scientific thinking for about 1,500 years.

Imagine who the "idiots" are now..

The difference should be obvious to pretty much everyone. Scientific "beliefs" change based on evidence. Religious beliefs don't because they purport to be fundamental truths.

There is often a struggle between old and new ideas in science but invariably, the theory that best explains the evidence always wins - maybe not right away and only after a period of struggle, but ALWAYS.

So there is no comparison between a religious belief that has to be true a priori and a scientific "belief" which is merely the best guess in the absence of additional data.

 

[Strk]

lol.

I just laugh at threads like this though, because they're simply a platform to castigate people for not believing dominate scientific thinking.

Oh that's right, the ptolemaic system held sway over scientific thinking for about 1,500 years.

Imagine who the "idiots" are now..

I'm not sure how you don't see the difference in what you're saying. People believed in other things until it was proven wrong. That is how things work. You don't just get to believe in science. The difference is now we have the technology to learn a lot of these things. And most of that technology is not that old.

From the Cosmos series, they talk about how humanity is basically a blip on the cosmic calendar. Our ability to understand even some of it is an even tinier blip on that blip.

You might as well go back to thinking people got sick because they were bad and not the spread of microorganisms, something we didn't really know existed that long ago (couple centuries or so).

 

[shabby]

Nothing really.

Pitting one against the other is the whole basis of a religion to begin with.

"You do this your good, you do that your bad."

Always portray the people with opposing views as the Devil, it's worked since people became smart enough to create religions apparently for monetary gain and civil rights suppression for thousands of years now in general, apparently.

Sounds like american politics.

 

[Retro Rob]

Science improves with time.

Indeed it does.

The disproven Ptolemaic system is evidence that intelligence doesn't mean one is right, and it certainly demonstrates that just because something has yet to be falsified, that doesn't make it fact.

One can simply "patch up" whatever inconsistencies may crop up with a certain theory, making it hard to falsify.

This was undoubtedly done to keep the Ptolemaic system in place, hence, why it lasted so freaking long.

Fifteen hundred years is a LONG time to be wrong about something.

 

[Charmonium]

Indeed it does.

The disproven Ptolemaic system is evidence that intelligence doesn't mean one is right, and it certainly demonstrates that just because something has yet to be falsified, that doesn't make it fact.

One can simply "patch up" whatever inconsistencies may crop up with a certain theory, making it hard to falsify.

This was undoubtedly done to keep the Ptolemaic system in place, hence, why it lasted so freaking long.

Fifteen hundred years is a LONG time to be wrong about something.

That's because humans like to believe in absolutes. Read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Kuhn to get an idea of why and how this happens. It's fairly short book and easily accessible to lay people. I read it as part of a philosophy course.

 

[sandorski]

He was saying essentially that "wholly Good (whatever that means) and evil can't logically exist at the same time.

It *can*, and does.

Ahh ok, my bad. I think his point may have been about how such a being could inadvertently create evil or at least create a being capable of evil. If this being was only Good and was the only thing in existence, then Evil simply would not exist. In short, the only way Evil could exist is if that Good being created Evil.

Clearly we know Evil exists, but the God hypothesis does not explain why in any logical fashion.

 

[sandorski]

Indeed it does.

The disproven Ptolemaic system is evidence that intelligence doesn't mean one is right, and it certainly demonstrates that just because something has yet to be falsified, that doesn't make it fact.

One can simply "patch up" whatever inconsistencies may crop up with a certain theory, making it hard to falsify.

This was undoubtedly done to keep the Ptolemaic system in place, hence, why it lasted so freaking long.

Fifteen hundred years is a LONG time to be wrong about something.

Yes it is a long time, but in modern Science those times have been radically reduced. A lot of what we consider Knowledge is likely still inaccurate, but the beauty of the Scientific Method is that over time our understanding becomes increasingly accurate. No other intellectual pursuit has been as beneficial to humanity as Science has.

 

[Vic]

Both good and bad people exists in the world, so I guess that's also illogical.

Are all those good people the bad people's bosses?

If God is all-powerful, then Satan is His servant. Or God isn't all-powerful. There's no other logical way around it.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I think the existence of a cosmic jerk is far more plausible than the existence of a omnipotent, loving creator god.

Not only is it more plausible, it seems to have more evidence to support it. If you take one look at the world today it would be easy to sell the idea of a cosmic jerk pulling the strings pitting people against people, floods, diseases, starvation, violence, Bieber, wars, genocide, etc etc etc. But those same things work against the ludicrous idea of an omnipotent, loving creator god. An omnipotent, loving creator god wouldn't want those things and he'd be capable of wiping them out with a wave of his omnipotent, loving creator god hand. So if anything, viewing Satan as a real entity is a slightly more rational response to reality than viewing an omnipotent, loving creator god as a real entity. Those are the people that need to be committed.

 

[Vic]

He was saying essentially that "wholly Good (whatever that means) and evil can't logically exist at the same time.

It *can*, and does.

No, I was saying that a being can't be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, and a Satan exists, logically all at the same time.

 

[sportage]

Old Ben is known mostly for separating conjoined twins joined at the head and or the brain.
What probably actually happened was Ben was reaching over to grab a bucket of KFC chicken, the conjoined twins rolled off the operating table onto the floor, and the impact separated the twins into two.
I really doubt Ben had much to do with it. Just a fluke of nature.
Ben just happened to have been there at the time.

Note to Ben:
You can say crazy? I can say crazy.
You can say idiotic nonsense of whatever comes into your head? I can too.
You can be a nut case? Well, you got me on that one. You win.

 

[Vic]

You don't have to be a mechanic to know how to drive a car. Or vice versa.

 

[BxgJ]

You don't have to be a mechanic to know how to drive a car. Or vice versa.

What I just read in the op article proves that. He didn't just display ignorance, he took a little knowledge of physics and made some sort of strange physics-word-salad out of it.

I don't know if I could find enough face palm gifs on the internet to express what I thought when I read the article.

 

[AntonioHG]

I remember reading Gifted Hands and thinking, "Man, he made it." Seems unreal to watch him on TV these days spouting garbage. Gotta wonder what is going on in his mind. What's his true train of thought and goal?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Why does anyone even care that this guy is a complete moron? He has an iceberg's chance in global warming hell of ever being elected president.

 

[werepossum]

I used to know a woman (indirectly) who thought that Satan was her personal tormentor. And even though a few milligrams of haldol was incredibly effect at banishing the evil one, she would always find excuses to go off her meds - I guess so she could do battle with Satan.

I try to be tolerant of most religious beliefs even some of the really stupid fundamentalist shit, but as soon as someone starts talking about Satan like he's a real entity, that ought to be grounds for committal.

Satan doesn't even appear in the bible in his present form as a tempter of souls until the Revelation of John, which was barely allowed into the canon in the 4th century because it is such a late work. But despite barely being mentioned in either the old or new testaments, this cartoon character has a central place in the lives of most fundamentalists. Truly bizarre.

Wait - you try to be tolerant of most religious beliefs until people demonstrate that they actually believe it?

Man, I hope you got some kind of medal for that. That level of tolerance can't be easy.

Old Ben is known mostly for separating conjoined twins joined at the head and or the brain.
What probably actually happened was Ben was reaching over to grab a bucket of KFC chicken, the conjoined twins rolled off the operating table onto the floor, and the impact separated the twins into two.
I really doubt Ben had much to do with it. Just a fluke of nature.
Ben just happened to have been there at the time.

Note to Ben:
You can say crazy? I can say crazy.
You can say idiotic nonsense of whatever comes into your head? I can too.
You can be a nut case? Well, you got me on that one. You win.

A bucket of KFC chicken? Seriously? In a forum where literally every criticism of Obama's actions or policies is met with shrill cries of racism, you vomit forth that?

Sheesh.

 

[UberNeuman]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was letting Ben Carson believe had a chance in hell of becoming President.

Ben Carson has all the energy and excitement of Perry Como!!!