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Captain America: The Winter Soldier

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I am so glad
quicksilver at the end of the movie looks awesome, unlike the douchey looking kid version of him in the upcoming xmen movie.
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dave_the_nerd said:
smackababy said:
Plus, does the public really want a movie where
Batman kills the Joker?
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We've had two already.
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Just one, Burton's 1989 Batman. Batman didn't kill the Joker at the end of the Dark Knight.


AznAnarchy99 said:
Now that they know Captain America can bring in the big money, they put it up against Batman/Superman.
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And given the questionable casting, the conflicts in Man of Steel, I'd wager a lot of people will go see Captain America 3 before they see Batman/Superman. Myself included.
 
Ns1 said:
oh shit, war.
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I believe this has been unofficially known (from Marvel but no press release) for a few weeks now.

I'll see both of them, but I hope theaters are willing to stagger the late-Thursday showtimes (not really midnight releases anymore) or something. I can go see Captain America 3 at 8 PM like I did with Captain America 2 and then see Batman vs. Superman after that.

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Plus, does the public really want a movie where
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What if they mix it with A Death in the Family? What happened in that comic really messed with Bruce for a long time. I only saw the movie for The Dark Knight Returns, but they did reference Jason a lot in it. Most casual Batman fans probably only know who Dick Grayson is or think there has only been one Robin.

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And, with any luck Captain America 3 will have Frank Castle!
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Mmm at least not for the reason that we were talking about earlier. I read an interview on IGN earlier, and apparently, Evans has one more movie left in his contract after Captain America 3. So, he'll probably be around for Avengers 3.
 
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Good movie but still.. these are just my pet peeves for other things.

Winter soldier is such a horrible name for a hero/villain. Makes one think that there is suppose to be a summer soldier, late autumn solder, and/or vernal equinox soldier. Lame name is lame.

Another peeve is those "super" heroes that aren't really super. They are really just pointless filler characters. While I like to a degree how they did the falcon... it's better than some dude in a native american rain dance costume with red feathers.

However, whenever I see the falcon I am just reminded too much of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q55M6X2cOtk&index=8&list=PLncKnVLWImgjbLmUZEhmW-xilkoyuhlry

Seriously hawkeye, black widow, and the falcon are just normal lame humans. Which means the stories have to be really contrived to give them a "role" when they are working with the real big boys that do the heavy lifting. Unless one counts being super hot and has the ability to do a really nice headlock with her thighs as a super power. I do in certain circumstances and if Scarlett Johansson was going to ask me if she was super human... oh hell yah! but different context 😛

Last peeve is a spoiler. I hate "computer magic" crap in movies and stories. Especially really and and completely impossible stuff. Using an apple store mac to hack a complex AI? Really? Plain retarded.

For the good I did like at the end how they introduce with avengers 2 movie that they are bringing in some actual super characters again. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
 
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Bateluer said:
Just one, Burton's 1989 Batman. Batman didn't kill the Joker at the end of the Dark Knight.




And given the questionable casting, the conflicts in Man of Steel, I'd wager a lot of people will go see Captain America 3 before they see Batman/Superman. Myself included.
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The only questionable choices in casting I see is Gal Gadot as Wonder Women because she is far too hot to be Diana Price and Eisenberg as Luthor, but that would easily work out if Luthor is more of an evil hipster atop a global corporation. The same people crying about Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne were the same crying about Heath Ledger as the Joker. Oh, you don't remember that internet outrage? Yeah...

I've liked most of Zack Snyder's movies, so I will give this a chance, but I still think the source material isn't the best (which is probably blasphemy to the comic nerds, but fuck those neckbeards).
 
smackababy said:
The only questionable choices in casting I see is Gal Gadot as Wonder Women because she is far too hot to be Diana Price
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Not too hot, too skinny. Wonder Woman should be built more like Gina Carano.

I dont know why these studios would directly compete for the same weekend. People who would watch one would watch the other, so just give each a couple weeks between releases. There's plenty to go around.
 
Childs said:
Not too hot, too skinny. Wonder Woman should be built more like Gina Carano.

I dont know why these studios would directly compete for the same weekend. People who would watch one would watch the other, so just give each a couple weeks between releases. There's plenty to go around.
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Far too hot. Wonder Woman is not that hot.

And the studios compete because we live in an either / or culture now. Look at every other product. You're either Nvidia or AMD, Intel or AMD, Apple of MS, Xbox or Playstation. You can't possibly be a fan of both or make you decision based on your specific needs, income level, games of choice, usage patterns, etc. It is either / or.
 
smackababy said:
Far too hot. Wonder Woman is not that hot.
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I would definitely consider Diana to be on the "hot list", but then again, most comic book females are drawn to be more attractive. However, I think a lot of it depends on what features you prefer in women. Wonder Woman is rather strong and athletic, and she has the build to support that. So, if your preference is scrawnier women, you may not find her as attractive. I've rewritten this a few times, and one of the first variations talked about "runway models" and how Wonder Woman definitely does not look like that. Why do I bring that back up? Because Gal Gadot does.

It feels rather strange to be talking about the hotness of comic book characters. I get the feeling that we're treading into dangerous neckbeard territory....
 
smackababy said:
The only problem is there will be zero reference to Magento being their father, IIRC.
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yea... that's too bad. but even in the comics, it was something silver and witch found out later in the storyline anyways (or when they are older in age). So there is still hope, when fox gives up the xmen rights to marvel studios, this can happen.

And if i recall correctly, infinitey guantlet involved all the marvel characters, including spidey, F4, and xmen...oh, I can only hope to see a giant all out superpower war against thanos, a storyline that will stay true to the comics.
 
Aikouka said:
I would definitely consider Diana to be on the "hot list", but then again, most comic book females are drawn to be more attractive. However, I think a lot of it depends on what features you prefer in women. Wonder Woman is rather strong and athletic, and she has the build to support that. So, if your preference is scrawnier women, you may not find her as attractive. I've rewritten this a few times, and one of the first variations talked about "runway models" and how Wonder Woman definitely does not look like that. Why do I bring that back up? Because Gal Gadot does.

It feels rather strange to be talking about the hotness of comic book characters. I get the feeling that we're treading into dangerous neckbeard territory....
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After reading both of your posts you two clearly need to visit a barber. Toss the anime image while you are at it.
 
smackababy said:
The only questionable choices in casting I see is Gal Gadot as Wonder Women because she is far too hot to be Diana Price and Eisenberg as Luthor, but that would easily work out if Luthor is more of an evil hipster atop a global corporation. The same people crying about Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne were the same crying about Heath Ledger as the Joker. Oh, you don't remember that internet outrage? Yeah...
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Ironically, Batfleck has so far been the least questionable casting choice. He's not a bad actor, or writer, or director, but he's still wrong for the part. If they want to use this to build their own shared cinematic universe, then casting a well established actor is a bad move. They needed to go with a lesser known individual.

The movie looks like it has some infighting between the writers/directors/producers as well, Snyder, Goyer, Nolan, and Afflect are all writing parts of the script. While at the same time, you have Warner Bros executives going 'Ohshitohshitohshit!' at the sales Disney and Marvel are bringing in.
 
Anyone else notice how hard they had to work to not say "Black" Falcon.
I swore someone one was going to say it by accident as some sort of joke.

Also loved the bible quote sneak in joke. Might have been the best reference in the whole movie.
 
SirStev0 said:
Anyone else notice how hard they had to work to not say "Black" Falcon.
I swore someone one was going to say it by accident as some sort of joke.

Also loved the bible quote sneak in joke. Might have been the best reference in the whole movie.
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I dont think they had to work too hard, being that is name is just Falcon, not Black Falcon. Although he did have an alias of Brother Falcon and Blackbird.
 
That was the best action movie I have seen in YEARS! It was great! Best movie I've seen all year, in fact! I thought the fighting choreography was excellent - they kept it slow enough that you could see what was happening, which is something that has really annoyed me in the more modern action films - too fast to keep up with. I don't think I've enjoyed a fighting movie this much since the first Bourne movie. And the action never got repetitive because (1) they kept breaking it up with story parts, and (2) they made all of the action different instead of hours of sameness. So +1 for that!

My only complaint would be that I wish they had drawn me in more to hate & love the characters. Like, you know that Redford is going to be the bad guy. And you're shocked that he shoots the maid, but there's something so passé about it. Does anyone remember "Sleeping with the Enemy" with Patrick Bergin? You HATED that guy & couldn't WAIT for Julie Roberts to kill him! I wish they had bumped up the writing from like 90% to 100% in that aspect - sucked you in totally, instead of just being along for the ride.

I also wish they had either dropped the evil Swedish doctor bit or expanded it. It didn't really seem necessary, especially since he eliminated himself with the missile strike, which doesn't seem to fit his self-preservation type of character. And it made me hope that we would have seen the Red Skull after the credits, which we didn't. I was kind of expecting the doctor-in-the-Matrix to be one of the underlying evils, sort of like the reverse of the Jane AI from Ender's game - integrated world-wide, but with an evil purpose instead of a good one.

The part where the Winter Soldier ripped the steering wheel out of the car was awesome.
 
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AznAnarchy99 said:
Just saw it too. My favorite Marvel movie next to Iron Man 1.
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Agreed. Ironman 1 is a classic and Captain America 2 as just plain awesome. I'm going to go see it again next week. It's rare that I see a movie twice in the theater :thumbsup:
 
Kaido said:
I also wish they had either dropped the evil Swedish doctor bit or expanded it. It didn't really seem necessary, especially since he eliminated himself with the missile strike, which doesn't seem to fit his self-preservation type of character. And it made me hope that we would have seen the Red Skull after the credits, which we didn't. I was kind of expecting the doctor-in-the-Matrix to be one of the underlying evils, sort of like the reverse of the Jane AI from Ender's game - integrated world-wide, but with an evil purpose instead of a good one.
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Zola's probably not dead. He's actually more commonly seen in that AI form while in an android (wiki link). For all we know, maybe he'll be the one to perverse android Jarvis and turn it into Ultron! (Just a guess, not a spoiler of something that's happened in the comics.)
 
Kaido said:
That was the best action movie I have seen in YEARS! It was great! Best movie I've seen all year, in fact! I thought the fighting choreography was excellent - they kept it slow enough that you could see what was happening, which is something that has really annoyed me in the more modern action films - too fast to keep up with. I don't think I've enjoyed a fighting movie this much since the first Bourne movie. And the action never got repetitive because (1) they kept breaking it up with story parts, and (2) they made all of the action different instead of hours of sameness. So +1 for that!

My only complaint would be that I wish they had drawn me in more to hate & love the characters. Like, you know that Redford is going to be the bad guy. And you're shocked that he shoots the maid, but there's something so passé about it. Does anyone remember "Sleeping with the Enemy" with Patrick Bergin? You HATED that guy & couldn't WAIT for Julie Roberts to kill him! I wish they had bumped up the writing from like 90% to 100% in that aspect - sucked you in totally, instead of just being along for the ride.

I also wish they had either dropped the evil Swedish doctor bit or expanded it. It didn't really seem necessary, especially since he eliminated himself with the missile strike, which doesn't seem to fit his self-preservation type of character. And it made me hope that we would have seen the Red Skull after the credits, which we didn't. I was kind of expecting the doctor-in-the-Matrix to be one of the underlying evils, sort of like the reverse of the Jane AI from Ender's game - integrated world-wide, but with an evil purpose instead of a good one.

The part where the Winter Soldier ripped the steering wheel out of the car was awesome.
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Agree on all counts. The movie's fighting and action scenes are some of the most intense, most creative, most action-porn stuff I've seen in movies anywhere.
You bringing up the Jane AI is intriguing. That'd be super cool if they ever go towards that direction. I hope they don't just put this as a one-and-done thing. I too, wish that the Swedish doctor thing should've been expanded upon, or that he comes back later (kind of reminds me of that movie Transcendence that's coming out soon)
 
n7 said:
Yup.
I was very impressed.
It went a bit pure action-porn at the end, but the first 2/3s of the movie was excellent.

Definitely in my top few comic movies of all time.
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It was good, as long as you kept your brain turned off. After watching it, I couldn't help thinking this should have happened:

"Hmm, I'm Captain America, and I just found out that the place that I work for
is infested with Hydra agents and is building three massive death ships to take over the world
. Gee, maybe I should call my buddies Iron Man and The Hulk to help out with this one. Nah, I can handle this mission alone with just my KGB lady friend, a wounded Samuel L Jackson, and some random army buddy that I met a few days ago 🙂"
 
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