Capitalism is evil

[piasabird]

Socialism and Communism is just as evil and ripe for curruption as Capitalism. It is only the weak minded who fail to see that. Of course feel free to live on commune or live off the land or live in a hut by the sea. At least you are free to do so. It is healthy to work for a living. Jesus Christ said that you will always have poor. If you feel abliged to help someone compassion is a good thing for you to be involved in. Government is good and all but it cant solve all of the problems in the world.

Honest work is good for the human spirit. It gives people dignity and a sense of accomplishment.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: her209
The end state of capitalism is when one person has everything and the rest have nothing.

i mean, theoretically, that might be true. as in "to win at capitalism, you have to own it all"
but we know that is pretty much impossible (until it happens).

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

I understand where you are coming from, but the reality is that the evils of capitalism are actually just the evils of life itself. Money does not control our lives, NEED controls our lives. The need for resources which are limited in supply. Money is simply a medium of exchange that makes it easier to control the distribution of those resources. If we didnt have money, you'd still have to work hard to acquire your needs and wants, there would still be wealth, and there would still be poverty.

It's really a simple concept when you think about it.... Person A is alive... Person A is sick of being required to work all the time, and feels that money is evil and wants no part in it. Person A however still needs to eat, still wants to sleep under a roof, and still wants to find love, and have babies.

Well some persons B-Z have to build the house, make the food, and birth the babies. This means that someone has to work. What do they earn by working for you, if there is no money? Are you going to provide them with a service? Or if you go all communism, the government forces you into a particular profession, forces you to work everyday, and you're in exactly the same place you were before... forced to work to live... only now you have no choices, and you have no hope of getting those luxuries you want.

-Max

 

[StageLeft]

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

That's really so painful to read on various levels. I couldn't possibly dignify it with a response. Grow up, rob

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
alternative?

precisely. Think of something better, and prove it, and I'll subscribe.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: PatboyX
alternative?

precisely. Think of something better, and prove it, and I'll subscribe.

Of course there is no alternative. But this is not the point. Saying that a system is the better avaiable doesn't mean we should/could do nothing to make it work better.
We don't need to change the capitalistic system, bu there are places in the world where the transition to a global economy is making terrible troubles. Expecially in developing countries the world is allowing the western corporations do whatever they want in name of a free capitalistic economy, while in fact this gives to the locals no possibility to actually be part of the system as they are just unable to compete. The transition should be made more soft. It's not about trying to stop the "global-train" but to lead the train a little slower and try not to crush whatever comes in front of it.

Have a trip to any central-africa country and you will see how much pain we all are causing to those people, of course everything happening far from television cameras....

 

[MercenaryForHire]

In Soviet Russia, thread posts you.

- M4H

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: PatboyX
alternative?

precisely. Think of something better, and prove it, and I'll subscribe.

Of course there is no alternative. But this is not the point. Saying that a system is the better avaiable doesn't mean we should/could do nothing to make it work better.
We don't need to change the capitalistic system, bu there are places in the world where the transition to a global economy is making terrible troubles. Expecially in developing countries the world is allowing the western corporations do whatever they want in name of a free capitalistic economy, while in fact this gives to the locals no possibility to actually be part of the system as they are just unable to compete. The transition should be made more soft. It's not about trying to stop the "global-train" but to lead the train a little slower and try not to crush whatever comes in front of it.

Have a trip to any central-africa country and you will see how much pain we all are causing to those people, of course everything happening far from television cameras....

lol. life is a bitch. America sucked back in the late 19th cent./early 20th cent. Sometimes you have to go through a bit of crap to get to the good stuff.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life.

Define equality. I think the US is always striving to move forward to make sure more and more people have an equal "chance" at life, as you put it. But it was never the founding father's goals to make sure everyone was 'equal' in all respects. That's not the way humans are built. Capitalism caters to this. It's definitely not perfect, but it seems to work better than anything else that's been tried.

You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days

What does that mean? Are you saying that no one who is born "poor" could ever become "rich" on their own? Or that "the rich" always stay that way, and never fall because of their own actions? Your profile is disabled, so I'm not sure from where you hail, but that's certainly not the case in the one capitalistic nation I personally have experience with (the US.)

The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes

Whisky, Tango.. Foxtrot?

We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.

So, some people are ignorant and get themselves into debt - and you blame an economic system on that, instead of the individuals who made that choice? Are internal combustion engines also "evil" because of vehicular homicide cases?

In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.

Yes, those evil bankers - with their enticing promises of 18% APRs on Credit Cards and forclosures and reposessions for non-payments. Who wouldn't get tricked into borrowing more money that you could pay back with those appealing arrangments? Detailed on paper. That you have to read. And sign.

No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.....

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

So basically, this is another example of deciding to play the victim card and declaring that the whole system is out to get us - the poor, unwitting, unable to think for ourselves, dupes?

F that.

I'd much rather take personal responsibilty for my craptastic credit score and huge debt. In hindsight, it was absolutely possible to avoid my current economic situation. It was simply a lack of proper education and planning that netted me here. But I've educated myself, put on some restraints, and made a plan. I'll be out of this hole in 3 years. If I had done this 5 years ago, we'd be in much better financial shape than we are now.

But can I blame capitalism and "evil" bankers on my problems? Nah - I'll leave that tactic to the little whiners out there. I'd rather admit my mistakes and work to correct them.

*shrug* To each, his own, I suppose.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
(snipped)
last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

Looks like you have a self-esteem problem or something if you think that if you took all money away from others, we'd all be equal. Absurd! I'd still crush you like a bug! J/K
As mwtgg pointed out, you are so fundalmentally wrong, it's laughable. In addition to what he pointed out, here's some more for you to absorb:
The overwhelming majority of federal income taxes are paid by the very highest income earners. The top 1% of income earners pay about 32% of all income taxes. The top 5% pays 51.4%. The top 10% of high income earners, pay 63.5%. The top 20% of income earners pays 78% of all federal income taxes. This information is referrenced in the CBO analysis, Effective Tax Rates Under Law, 2001 to 2014. Looking at this from another viewpoint, you could say that the bottom 80% of taxpayers (folks like us) pay only about 20% of all taxes taken in. So, if you would like to pay MORE tax, feel free to do so. I'm sure the IRS would take your check. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the ride.
As to your rant about money, feel free to send it to me. I don't mind having some extra cash around. It doesn't make me evil, it doesn't make me unhappy and I have plenty of non-materialistic ways to spend it. :laugh:

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
alternative?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
(snipped)
last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

Looks like you have a self-esteem problem or something if you think that if you took all money away from others, we'd all be equal. Absurd! I'd still crush you like a bug! J/K
As mwtgg pointed out, you are so fundalmentally wrong, it's laughable. In addition to what he pointed out, here's some more for you to absorb:
The overwhelming majority of federal income taxes are paid by the very highest income earners. The top 1% of income earners pay about 32% of all income taxes. The top 5% pays 51.4%. The top 10% of high income earners, pay 63.5%. The top 20% of income earners pays 78% of all federal income taxes. This information is referrenced in the CBO analysis, Effective Tax Rates Under Law, 2001 to 2014. Looking at this from another viewpoint, you could say that the bottom 80% of taxpayers (folks like us) pay only about 20% of all taxes taken in. So, if you would like to pay MORE tax, feel free to do so. I'm sure the IRS would take your check. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the ride.
As to your rant about money, feel free to send it to me. I don't mind having some extra cash around. It doesn't make me evil, it doesn't make me unhappy and I have plenty of non-materialistic ways to spend it. :laugh:

and what percentage of income and what percentage of assets do these groups possess. Say the the top 5% pays 51.4% of your income doesn't mean much if you don't know how much they are making. if the top 5% are paying 51.% pecent of the taxes on 60% of the income, and the other 95% are paying 48.6% of the taxes on only 40% of the income, that says alot more. The simple fact is that the top income earners have a lot more extra money to pay taxes on, and can afford to pay 50% taxes much easier than someone earning $20k a year with 2 kids.

when it comes right down to it, if i had the extra income, i would have no problem paying more in taxes.

 

[Genx87]

when it comes right down to it, if i had the extra income, i would have no problem paying more in taxes.

In our tax system you will

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

Care to recommend an alternative that has done better than Capitalism? As far as I know, there aren't any.

 

[Rainsford]

I support the system of capitalism based on the moral idea that you are what you make yourself and you are entitled the the fruits of your own labor. While this system certainly has flaws, I haven't seen another system that works so well on a moral level.

 

[OutHouse]

are you a drone of Ward Churchill?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

when it comes right down to it, if i had the extra income, i would have no problem paying more in taxes.

In our tax system you will

do you have any proof? Last time i checked the highest tax burden fell on the middle/upper middle class, not the wealthy.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


and what percentage of income and what percentage of assets do these groups possess. Say the the top 5% pays 51.4% of your income doesn't mean much if you don't know how much they are making. if the top 5% are paying 51.% pecent of the taxes on 60% of the income, and the other 95% are paying 48.6% of the taxes on only 40% of the income, that says alot more. The simple fact is that the top income earners have a lot more extra money to pay taxes on, and can afford to pay 50% taxes much easier than someone earning $20k a year with 2 kids.

when it comes right down to it, if i had the extra income, i would have no problem paying more in taxes.

Ummmm, Ok. So you just explained how our tax system not only works, but is fair. So, what's your point?
Let's review: Those that have more=pay more. Those of us that don't have as much=don't pay as much. Gee, what a system!!

As to the first part of your post, all I can say is "What??!!?" I was going to reply to it but it just doesn't make sense as you worded it. I really think you need to go back through it and correct/reword it a bit. Perhaps then you would get a response. I think you were trying to say something about how the rich don't pay enough of a percentage, based on their income but that wasn't clear at all.
EDIT:
You just posted:

do you have any proof? Last time i checked the highest tax burden fell on the middle/upper middle class, not the wealthy.

Umm, did you forget how to read when you decided you wanted to pay more taxes? Read the CBO report yourself if you don't believe the figures I posted. In fact, the highest tax amount is paid by those that have the highest income.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Buz2b
EDIT:
You just posted:

do you have any proof? Last time i checked the highest tax burden fell on the middle/upper middle class, not the wealthy.

Umm, did you forget how to read when you decided you wanted to pay more taxes? Read the CBO report yourself if you don't believe the figures I posted. In fact, the highest tax amount is paid by those that have the highest income.

Well, the difficulty in the situation is when one considers the amount of money needed for livable conditions.

Right at the start, I'm not supporting or refuting anyone here, I'm just laying out some thought.

If someone earns $200,000 yearly, they can afford to pay 75% tax (~$150,000) and still live - people do just fine on less than $50,000 all over the country. By contrast, someone who makes $20,000 yearly can't make that same claim. As mentioned, when you look at the livable standard, the wealthy can afford to take a much larger tax hit and still live comfortably - many of them rather luxuriously.

Disclaimers:
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay a 75% tax.
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay more taxes.
I'm not saying a flat tax would be fair.

All I'm saying is that there's a livable minimum standard that one has to meet, and after that, disposable income is just that.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Buz2b
EDIT:
You just posted:

do you have any proof? Last time i checked the highest tax burden fell on the middle/upper middle class, not the wealthy.

Umm, did you forget how to read when you decided you wanted to pay more taxes? Read the CBO report yourself if you don't believe the figures I posted. In fact, the highest tax amount is paid by those that have the highest income.

Well, the difficulty in the situation is when one considers the amount of money needed for livable conditions.

Right at the start, I'm not supporting or refuting anyone here, I'm just laying out some thought.

If someone earns $200,000 yearly, they can afford to pay 75% tax (~$150,000) and still live - people do just fine on less than $50,000 all over the country. By contrast, someone who makes $20,000 yearly can't make that same claim. As mentioned, when you look at the livable standard, the wealthy can afford to take a much larger tax hit and still live comfortably - many of them rather luxuriously.

Disclaimers:
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay a 75% tax.
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay more taxes.
I'm not saying a flat tax would be fair.

All I'm saying is that there's a livable minimum standard that one has to meet, and after that, disposable income is just that.

Doesn't this depend of where you live? In some places, 200K can buy you a really big house but in other places it can only get you a small condo.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Well, the difficulty in the situation is when one considers the amount of money needed for livable conditions.

Right at the start, I'm not supporting or refuting anyone here, I'm just laying out some thought.

If someone earns $200,000 yearly, they can afford to pay 75% tax (~$150,000) and still live - people do just fine on less than $50,000 all over the country. By contrast, someone who makes $20,000 yearly can't make that same claim. As mentioned, when you look at the livable standard, the wealthy can afford to take a much larger tax hit and still live comfortably - many of them rather luxuriously.

Disclaimers:
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay a 75% tax.
I am NOT saying the wealthy should pay more taxes.
I'm not saying a flat tax would be fair.

All I'm saying is that there's a livable minimum standard that one has to meet, and after that, disposable income is just that.

Doesn't this depend of where you live? In some places, 200K can buy you a really big house but in other places it can only get you a small condo.

Well, yes, and that's a good point, but the figures I chose were just ballparks to use as an example. The point is, a person has to net X dollars after taxes to live. The exact figure will be different for everyone of course - life is like that - but the point is after a certain point we're not talking about money for food, clothing, and medicine that's being paid to Uncle Sam. For some people, the food, clothing, etc. is a much larger portion of their gross income than others.

Of course, we could devolve into a million ancillary issues (and I will fan those flames by mentioning a few). The welfare system throws this whole thing haywire, when you consider that the basic upshot is that they take away your money and then effectively give it back because the Feds realize that you can't live/support your family without it. (disclaimer: I am aware that some people abuse welfare. That's another topic, let's save it for another time.) When you consider the wages that probably have to be paid to government workers to collect and then re-disburse the cash, it probably would've been more efficient just to let the person keep more of their gross pay in the first place.

Ah, but then the government clerks in the welfare office (or at least some of them) would be out of a job entirely. No gross pay, no net pay - ironically, they would probably be on government hadnouts if they were unable to find another job. This is something I wonder about a lot - the government continually expands and employs more and more people - if an old-style conservative were to get in office and actually "cut the fat" as they say, I wonder what effect it might have on the economy.

All situations are complex. Debate on things like this will never effectively end because the situation is fluid, not static. Things are always changing, and circumstances are always different.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

"We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that."

So capitalism is evil because the masses are stupid and uneducated? That's nonsense. Since government is responsible for education, if the masses are stupid it isn't corporate america and the capitalistic system's fault. It is Government's fault.

Btw, that definition is a joke. It is obvious that it is false since it is the 21st century and capitalism hasn't been overthrown. in fact, it is increasing. China's economy is doing great because it is switching to capitalism. oh capitalism isn't a social system it is an economic system.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


and what percentage of income and what percentage of assets do these groups possess. Say the the top 5% pays 51.4% of your income doesn't mean much if you don't know how much they are making. if the top 5% are paying 51.% pecent of the taxes on 60% of the income, and the other 95% are paying 48.6% of the taxes on only 40% of the income, that says alot more. The simple fact is that the top income earners have a lot more extra money to pay taxes on, and can afford to pay 50% taxes much easier than someone earning $20k a year with 2 kids.

when it comes right down to it, if i had the extra income, i would have no problem paying more in taxes.

Ummmm, Ok. So you just explained how our tax system not only works, but is fair. So, what's your point?
Let's review: Those that have more=pay more. Those of us that don't have as much=don't pay as much. Gee, what a system!!

As to the first part of your post, all I can say is "What??!!?" I was going to reply to it but it just doesn't make sense as you worded it. I really think you need to go back through it and correct/reword it a bit. Perhaps then you would get a response. I think you were trying to say something about how the rich don't pay enough of a percentage, based on their income but that wasn't clear at all.
EDIT:
You just posted:

do you have any proof? Last time i checked the highest tax burden fell on the middle/upper middle class, not the wealthy.

Umm, did you forget how to read when you decided you wanted to pay more taxes? Read the CBO report yourself if you don't believe the figures I posted. In fact, the highest tax amount is paid by those that have the highest income.

sorry i didn't write the first half of that statement in any order, basically typed senences as i thought them in no particular order. Allow me to give a second attempt.

The numbers you give don't mean anything at all (other than that the top 5% have the ability to pay 51.4% of the countries taxes and most likely have plenty of money on the side, which is a problem in itself IMO). If does not how much income the top 5% are paying their 51.4% out of. They could be paying their 51.4% of the taxes on 20% or 80% of the national incom or any amount in between.

You own numbers also show the horrible distribution of wealth in the country. the top 5% can afford to pay 51.4% of their income, while the second 5% can only afford roughly a fifth of that, so we can assume that the richest 5% earn 5x the second richest 5%.

Your numbers also give no proof that those with very high income, the rich, pay a greater portion of their income than the middle/upper middle class (lets say those making $50k to $200k) considering the nature of the most recent tax cuts, i would doubt that the very rich pay a higher percentage of their income than the middle classes.

I response to you, i did not say it was fair because our tax structure is not progressive at all (except for the very poor, who pay no income tax and have no taxable assets, and simply pay sales taxes whereever applicable) when social security, property, and sales taxes are figured in. The very rich can afford to pay a much greater % of their income than i can, and until you actually prove that they are doing that, with numbers that aren't so meaningless, i might be convinced.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: RobCur
http://www.endymion.ukf.net/capitalism.html

I don't to be rich or anything like that, I'd just want everyone to have an equal chance at life. You are either born poor or born rich just like the good old days
The rich do not pay any taxes as far as I know since they are the one collecting taxes
We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that.
In short it is slavery for the masses. bankers have many ways of tricking us into oweing them money that is just like taking candy from a child without them noticing.
No matter what we do, money controls us more then we control our life.

Those who are too lazy to click, here is a direct quote:
Cap'italism n 1. A system by which the few profit from the exploitation of the many. 2. A mindset addicted to profit, work and debt which values money more than life. 3. An unsustainable ideology obsessed by growth despite our finite plante. 4. The cause of the global, social and ecological crisis. 5. A social system overthrown at the end of the 20th century.......

last, I am sick and tired of being controlled by money. It does not bring happiness for most of us, sometime I wish not to spend any if at all other times I just wish people would value life, happiness more then money.
more money does not mean more happiness, it means you have to work harder to get more often losing all of it at a later time.

"We work only to pay off debt that should never had been if we never agree to it but most people are clueless and don't see anything wrong with that."

So capitalism is evil because the masses are stupid and uneducated? That's nonsense. Since government is responsible for education, if the masses are stupid it isn't corporate america and the capitalistic system's fault. It is Government's fault.

Btw, that definition is a joke. It is obvious that it is false since it is the 21st century and capitalism hasn't been overthrown. in fact, it is increasing. China's economy is doing great because it is switching to capitalism. oh capitalism isn't a social system it is an economic system.

capitalism aka the free market hasn't existed anywhere for a very long time. State capitalism rules the day.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
capitalism aka the free market hasn't existed anywhere for a very long time. State capitalism rules the day.

Fair enough, but it has existed longer than the alternatives.