Canon 6D.

[JohnnyRebel]

And to be fair, nobody in their right mind uses a D600 as a 10MP APS-C camera (which it is with a DX lens mounted).

It's merely a physical compatibility, not a practical one from Nikon.

The "practical" part for many will be in a transition. Little used lenses can still be used, and 10MP is plenty good for anything put on a computer screen. (e.g. tokina 11-16, Nikon 10.5)

 

[AkumaX]

And to be fair, nobody in their right mind uses a D600 as a 10MP APS-C camera (which it is with a DX lens mounted).

It's merely a physical compatibility, not a practical one from Nikon.

I actually saw some pics from a DX glass on a FX camera, and honestly it came out much better than expected. You could get away w/ a 5:4 crop and probably have very minimal vignetting.

I put on my Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (crop lens, but works w/ FF). The vignetting.. :biggrin:

 

[acx]

You guys are looking at it wrong.

It's a more attractive upgrade for someone who was going to drop $3500 on a 5D3, doesn't need pro-level AF, and can live without the extra 2 megapixels in exchange for $1500 cash in their pockets.

Canon's prosumer full-frame lineup is truly asinine now. The $1000 price difference between a D600 and a D800 makes sense. The $1500 price difference between a 6D and 5D3 does not.

But the 5D mk3 regularly goes on sale for $2800 now. If you had to pay full retail $2100 for 6D or $2800 sale price for 5D mk 3 it makes more sense to go for the 5D mk 3.

 

[randomrogue]

The 5dmarkII looks like a hell of a bargain too though.

The big advantage to the backwards compatibility will be your oddball lenses. The fisheye for example. Pretty sure all tilt shift lenses are full frame but that's another example. Someone mentioned the Tokina 11-16 and I think that's another good example.

I'd probably use my 35 f1.8 in dx mode if I really wanted to travel light. The lens is tiny and weighs nothing.

Stop gap though at the end of the day.

 

[finbarqs]

5D Mark 2 is NOT a bargain, you should consider the 6D over the 5D. Same crappy AF, 98% vs. 97%, and it's barely weather sealed. But CF is nice...

But really, it's not gonna change how your images turn out

 

[RobDickinson]

Give me the choice4 I will stick with the 5d2 over the 6d.

6D ergonomics are poorer, viewfinder is poorer, SD cards, no thanks.

6d doesnt run magic lantern either.

 

[jpeyton]

There's no way I'd get a 5D2 over a 6D if the prices were similar.

Most image quality improvements these days are made by the DSP. 5D2 has Digic 4, 5D3/6D have Digic 5+.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

I actually saw some pics from a DX glass on a FX camera, and honestly it came out much better than expected. You could get away w/ a 5:4 crop and probably have very minimal vignetting.

I put on my Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (crop lens, but works w/ FF). The vignetting.. :biggrin:

When you crop down this photo so that there is no more vignetting, you lose 40% of the original resolution. It's easy to crop all photos the same way using Lightroom, which every photographer should be using anyway.

On a 20MP 6D, you would end up with 12MP, which can get you a good 11"x14" print. For me 12MP is certainly enough.

How many DSLR hobbyists actually print? I would guess that most people just take photos and post them online. For professionals this is perhaps an issue, but then again most established professionals, especially ones actually needing to shoot for print, should have the budget to go FF easily.

The fact that you can't use crop lenses on a 6D is a big "f-you" from Canon. If you're using a crop and want to move to a FF for cheap, the 6D is NOT for you because then you have to spend an extra $2000+ immediately for all FF lenses.

The Nikon D600 is the same price as the 6D, has more megapixels, a crop mode that offers more resolution as a result, resolves more details in video than a 5D MK2, more AF points, faster shooting, better ergonomics, compact, has a built-in flash, a scratch resistant glass LCD screen, and ability to use excellent crop lenses to soften the blow during conversion.

Not to mention using crop lenses for shooting video would not have any issues. Video's only 2MP anyway. On the 6D you can't even use your crop lenses to shoot 2MP videos.

I could start using my D600 immediately for work and play with all my current crop factor lenses. Keep on generating income with the new body. If I was going to FF on Canon, the 6D would be a $2000 paperweight until I recovered from the initial $2000 purchase and scrambled together enough money to convert my entire lens lineup to FF.

 

[RobDickinson]

There's no way I'd get a 5D2 over a 6D if the prices were similar.

Most image quality improvements these days are made by the DSP. 5D2 has Digic 4, 5D3/6D have Digic 5+.

I shoot raw, the 5d3 has no significant improvements over the 5d2 for IQ.

A very very little extra resolution, slightly better high ISO and slightly better low ISO shadow banding, but less low ISO dynamic range.

Its looking like the 6d may be better for low iso shadow banding, if so it would be quite a surprise to 1dx and 5d3 owners!

Digic 5 doesnt make any difference at all, in the real world, to me.

 

[iGas]

I shoot raw, the 5d3 has no significant improvements over the 5d2 for IQ.

A very very little extra resolution, slightly better high ISO and slightly better low ISO shadow banding, but less low ISO dynamic range.

Its looking like the 6d may be better for low iso shadow banding, if so it would be quite a surprise to 1dx and 5d3 owners!

Digic 5 doesnt make any difference at all, in the real world, to me.

We can't compare real world performance till the 6D come out in December, but IMHO it is likely that the 6D is going to be a better camera than the 5D mkii, however for now the 5D mkii still is the king of the hill as an entry level FF camera. That said, I'm glad that I got the 5D mkii a couple of weeks ago, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a used 5D mkii a year or 2 from now as a backup body if it drop below $1000.

 

[AkumaX]

We can't compare real world performance till the 6D come out in December, but IMHO it is likely that the 6D is going to be a better camera than the 5D mkii, however for now the 5D mkii still is the king of the hill as an entry level FF camera. That said, I'm glad that I got the 5D mkii 2 weeks ago, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a used 5D mkii a year or 2 from now as a backup body if it drop below $1000.

I would love to pick up a 6D @ the price that you picked up your 5D2 though

 

[iGas]

I would love to pick up a 6D @ the price that you picked up your 5D2 though

I agree, however we have to wait till December to get it at $2100, and perhaps 2-4 years from now for it to drop to $1700 or less.

 

[jpeyton]

however for now the 5D mkii still is the king of the hill as an entry level FF camera.

Perhaps, but only if you're also invested in Canon's EOS system.

If you have your choice of manufacturers, I'd much rather get a D600 than a 5D2.

 

[mchammer187]

AF is woefully inadequate leaving potentially FF upgraders extremely underwhelmed. Adding in wifi and GPS totally alienates the higher end market who have to pay $1000 for these features. Why does this camera have any features that are not in the top of the lineup (5D Mark III & 1DX)

I didn't think they could disappoint so many of their users this much at the same time

 

[finbarqs]

I've had a 5D 2 since launch, (sold my Nikon D300 for it) and I gotta say, with my Nikon I was nailing 90% of my focus. With my 5D 2, about 50%. It's leaves me with so little confidence in nailing focus that I have to take the same image 2-3 times again, just to make sure I'll get one with good focus.

So why would anyone take the 5D 2 over the 6D? 5D 2 has 1% more view finder coverage, and has better ergonomics. Oh yeah, and CF

Everything else, 6D is at least as good, and some parts better. Better low light performance, same AF, better video, better weather sealing, a newer processor, and a better rear LCD (900k vs. 1.2M)

One thing I loved about my Nikon was that it was compatible with every single piece of nikon glass ever made, no adapter required! And it metered too! But yeah, the D300 was more of a Pro-Camera than my 5D2, with all things considered in regards to construction, focus, view finder, etc.

 

[AkumaX]

I've had a 5D 2 since launch, (sold my Nikon D300 for it) and I gotta say, with my Nikon I was nailing 90% of my focus. With my 5D 2, about 50%. It's leaves me with so little confidence in nailing focus that I have to take the same image 2-3 times again, just to make sure I'll get one with good focus.

So why would anyone take the 5D 2 over the 6D? 5D 2 has 1% more view finder coverage, and has better ergonomics. Oh yeah, and CF

Everything else, 6D is at least as good, and some parts better. Better low light performance, same AF, better video, better weather sealing, a newer processor, and a better rear LCD (900k vs. 1.2M)

One thing I loved about my Nikon was that it was compatible with every single piece of nikon glass ever made, no adapter required! And it metered too! But yeah, the D300 was more of a Pro-Camera than my 5D2, with all things considered in regards to construction, focus, view finder, etc.

Wouldn't the 6D's AF be more similar to the 5D3? (or if anything, 7D?)

 

[iGas]

Wouldn't the 6D's AF be more similar to the 5D3? (or if anything, 7D?)

There are no concrete evidence as to what type of AF the 6D have, but I suspect that you are correct for assuming so.

 

[AkumaX]

There are no concrete evidence as to what type of AF the 6D have, but I suspect that you are correct for assuming so.

Yes, we can only speculate right now. But I would hope that Canon would have decided to update its AF mechanism rather than use one from 4 years ago!

 

[randomrogue]

On paper it has the same AF as a D3000.

 

[RobDickinson]

On paper it has the same AF as a D3000.

The D3000 can AF at -3EV? no , no it cant.

It seems the off centre points are pretty good can can focus in conditions about the same as the 5d2 centre point.

The centre cross point can focus in conditions where you cant even see the target.

 

[ElFenix]

seeing in the dark is a nice feature for AF. that may be the only really standout feature of this camera. wifi and gps built in are nice as well, but not photographic must haves. otherwise it's pretty ho-hum.

 

[finbarqs]

Yes, we can only speculate right now. But I would hope that Canon would have decided to update its AF mechanism rather than use one from 4 years ago!

then it's settled, get the 6D over 5D mk 2!

 

[iGas]

5D mkii price start to drop.

$2700 CAD : 5D mkii, 24-105mm L, 40mm SMT, Lowepro bag, and tripod.

Amazon body + 24-105mm is $2500 USD.

It seems as if the entry level FF camera war is on. IMHO, most enthusiast would jump on the FF bandwagon if the kit is price around $2300, or $1500 for body only.

 

[finbarqs]

maybe people should start off with the original 5D.

 

[blastingcap]

Specs aren't everything but Nikon and Sony's upcoming full frame cameras appear to be winning the spec battle.