Cancel that Iranian vacay

[HTFOff]

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran said on Saturday it would stop U.S. citizens entering the country in retaliation to Washington's visa ban against Tehran and six other majority-Muslim countries announced by new U.S. President Donald Trump.

"While respecting the American people and distinguishing between them and the hostile policies of the U.S. government, Iran will implement the principle of reciprocity until the offensive U.S. limitations against Iranian nationals are lifted," a Foreign Ministry statement said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-vows-reciprocal-steps-in-retaliation-for-us-visa-ban-2017-1

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Iran? Not Iran?! Nooo!!!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd rather see improved relations with Iran than most other countries tbh. The Persians are some of the o.g. Aryan ubermensch, among the founders of civilization, and even in the light of Islamic conquest they've always maintained a dedication to moderation and the sciences. If it wasn't for the CIA fucking things up in the 50s and beyond, they'd probably be a democracy and regional superpower stronger than India right now.

 

[Jhhnn]

What it means is that European competitors to American business will make the deals & reap the profits of an expanding Iranian economy.

Pulling out of the TPP means much the same. All of America rather than just Trump country gets left behind by the ROTW.

 

[senseamp]

When is the last time an Iranian national commited an act of terror on US soil?

 

[pcgeek11]

Does anyone really want to go to Iran anyway? They will just lock you up and let you rot.

 

[HTFOff]

Does anyone really want to go to Iran anyway?

Of course not.

I want to be able to wear a pair of these badboys without being called a spy.

 

[davidm71]

The mullahs can go jump of a bridge. If it wasnt for their antisemitic bs I wouldnt have had a life of freedom growing up in the US. In iran it would have been back of the bus and treated as a second class citizen. A country that actively funds terrorism. As if I would want to go back and get imprisoned and used for political fodder. They're the ones that should be boycotted.

 

[K1052]

What it means is that European competitors to American business will make the deals & reap the profits of an expanding Iranian economy.

Pulling out of the TPP means much the same. All of America rather than just Trump country gets left behind by the ROTW.

Yea, this is a green light to the Europeans and Chinese that we're out of the running and to make their best offers.

Given the number of Iranian-born terror attacks committed on US soil I can only assume Iran's inclusion in the list of banned countries is courtesy of Flynn who is gearing up to start our next Middle East war with them.

 

[MrPickins]

Does anyone really want to go to Iran anyway? They will just lock you up and let you rot.

I know a few Americans that are from Iran and go back fairly regularly to visit family.

 

[Starbuck1975]

When is the last time an Iranian national commited an act of terror on US soil?

1979. Embassies are considered US soil

 

[Brainonska511]

1979. Embassies are considered US soil

Embassies are not sovereign soil. They are treated however with diplomatic courtesy.

As a matter of international law, an embassy is not ''territory'' of the sending state; it is territory of the receiving state that is accorded, through various treaties and customs, some immunities from host- country law.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Embassies are not sovereign soil. They are treated however with diplomatic courtesy.

From State Department:

"U.S. embassies and consulates abroad, as well as foreign embassies and consulates in the United States, have a special status. While diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, an embassy or consulate represents a sovereign state. International rules do not allow representatives of the host country to enter an embassy without permission --even to put out a fire -- and designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents."

 

[Brainonska511]

From State Department:

"U.S. embassies and consulates abroad, as well as foreign embassies and consulates in the United States, have a special status. While diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, anembassy or consulate represents a sovereign state. International rules do not allow representatives of the host country to enter an embassy without permission --even to put out a fire -- and designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents."

That's great, but it's not U.S. sovereignty.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's great, but it's not U.S. sovereignty.

What does this quote mean to you

"While Diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, an embassy or consulate represents a sovereign state."

 

[Brainonska511]

What does this quote mean to you

"While Diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, an embassy or consulate represents a sovereign state."

It means that embassies and consulates are not sovereign soil of the US. They are merely afforded special privileges thanks to treaties and customs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It means that embassies and consulates are not sovereign soil of the US. They are merely afforded special privileges thanks to treaties and customs.

Ok. That is a game of semantics, but I understand the disconnect, so thank you for clarifying. Any nation that suffers an attack on its embassy would consider it an attack on its sovereignty.

Iran is hardly a friend or a rational actor. I worked with many brilliant Iranians who GTFO during the revolution, and they've suffered years of harassment and horror stories when attempting to visit family still in Iran.

 

[brianmanahan]

Does anyone really want to go to Iran anyway? They will just lock you up and let you rot.

yes, i hope to be able to take a vacation there before i die. in iraq and turkey as well.

between those 3 countries there is SO much ancient history that i would like to be able to see.

maybe in 30-40 years, things will be better... but i doubt it

like i've always been told, "things get worse and worse... then you die".

 

[senseamp]

So 38 years ago, and only if you consider US embassy in Iran US soil.

 

[fskimospy]

Does anyone really want to go to Iran anyway? They will just lock you up and let you rot.

A good friend of mine is a dual Iranian/US citizen. He has family there that he has visited several times.

Relations with Iran were (slowly) improving until this clown got elected. Looks like he fucked something else up.

 

[Jhhnn]

Iran is hardly a friend or a rational actor.

Well, they parlayed their nuclear capabilities into a major change in long standing US policy & the policy of the EU. That wasn't luck.

Just because we don't understand them very well doesn't mean they aren't rational in their own way.

 

[Darwin333]

It means that embassies and consulates are not sovereign soil of the US. They are merely afforded special privileges thanks to treaties and customs.

Regardless, the last sentence was the important one.

"and designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents"

So while not technically sovereign soil it's virtually the same thing.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So 38 years ago, and only if you consider US embassy in Iran US soil.

Rather than trying to rationalize why Iran is on the list, the better question is why a few conspicuous nations that should be on the list are not.

 

[pcgeek11]

I know a few Americans that are from Iran and go back fairly regularly to visit family.

I know, I remember seeing some of them in the news while they were locked up and held for ransom.