Canadians: Who are you voting for and why?

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BFC

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I'm torn over this election. For the past 3 elections (2 Federal and 1 Provincial) I've voted for fringe parties (never been any one who I felt deserved my vote). Even in this election I don't think there is anybody who really deserves my vote, however, for the first time in my life I may vote Liberal. I used to be a die-hard Conservative supporter, but I can't stand Steven Harper and I am (right now) planning to vote Liberal in the hopes of preventing the Conservatives from winning.

I think I'm developing a deep-seated hatred for all politicans......
 

silverpig

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Sweet. I don't have to pick a party now. The former Reform/Conservative MP in my riding, who is a great guy, was sorta bumped out of his party spot by some shady politics by another party member. So now dude is running as an independent and polls show he's leading by a landslide in my riding, so he gets my vote and I don't have to pick a party :)
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: Dexion
Shaw. It's their new Shaw Extreme I package

I wish Shaw never left the Ontario region. Rogers cable have been absolutely horrible, if it wasn't for Bell DSL saving me from their massive monopoly, I would be stuck with a 6mbit/1mb line that performs like 128kbits/64kbit line.

He he he ........ shaw left Ontario for BC and western canada :D SHaw has awesome service :D

Cheers,
Aquaman

Yeah, we used to have rogers and it was pretty crappy. Shaw has been great to me.
 

SSP

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: Dexion
Shaw. It's their new Shaw Extreme I package

I wish Shaw never left the Ontario region. Rogers cable have been absolutely horrible, if it wasn't for Bell DSL saving me from their massive monopoly, I would be stuck with a 6mbit/1mb line that performs like 128kbits/64kbit line.

He he he ........ shaw left Ontario for BC and western canada :D SHaw has awesome service :D

Cheers,
Aquaman

Yeah, we used to have rogers and it was pretty crappy. Shaw has been great to me.

Been with rogers for 4 years and had no problems.
Its weird how both switched provinces to get the monopoly (well, dont know if there are any other competing cable companies in BC, but theres virtually no competition for rogers in ONT).
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Sweet. I don't have to pick a party now. The former Reform/Conservative MP in my riding, who is a great guy, was sorta bumped out of his party spot by some shady politics by another party member. So now dude is running as an independent and polls show he's leading by a landslide in my riding, so he gets my vote and I don't have to pick a party :)

Cadman eh?

Pretty good guy.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

FrogDog

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I came into this thread thinking it would actually be interesting to me (as a Canadian) to see who others were voting for, and it started it out well, but about 20 posts in something happened; this fvck-face comes in and starts going on about how Canada is nothing without the US. Where did this come from? Why are you spouting this garbage? Mill... shut the fvck up.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
I came into this thread thinking it would actually be interesting to me (as a Canadian) to see who others were voting for, and it started it out well, but about 20 posts in something happened; this fvck-face comes in and starts going on about how Canada is nothing without the US. Where did this come from? Why are you spouting this garbage? Mill... shut the fvck up.

It was a joke mate, but for some odd reason I felt it necessary to debate when people said the US economy was collapsing.
 

FrogDog

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: FrogDog
I came into this thread thinking it would actually be interesting to me (as a Canadian) to see who others were voting for, and it started it out well, but about 20 posts in something happened; this fvck-face comes in and starts going on about how Canada is nothing without the US. Where did this come from? Why are you spouting this garbage? Mill... shut the fvck up.

It was a joke mate, but for some odd reason I felt it necessary to debate when people said the US economy was collapsing.
I don't care, I still want you to shut the fvck up. :beer:
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: FrogDog
I came into this thread thinking it would actually be interesting to me (as a Canadian) to see who others were voting for, and it started it out well, but about 20 posts in something happened; this fvck-face comes in and starts going on about how Canada is nothing without the US. Where did this come from? Why are you spouting this garbage? Mill... shut the fvck up.

It was a joke mate, but for some odd reason I felt it necessary to debate when people said the US economy was collapsing.
I don't care, I still want you to shut the fvck up. :beer:

I haven't posted anymore unless people keep insulting me.
 

AnitaPeterson

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GL has - some posts ago - indicated some very interesting methods of counting unemployment.

*darn it, I wish our Canadian bulletin board maker would provide a special feature to ban certain members from certain threads, I have to wade through Mill's garbage in a thread that has nothing to do with him or his country.*

As a new Canadian, I find it very disturbing that the job market is extremely skewed... The country imports highly-skilled people, who can't find work, because it counts more '"who" you know that "what" you know - at least in places like Ottawa, where I currently live. I have heard of numerous cases of Western Europeans who said "f*** it" and returned to their countries of origin, precisely because of this phenomenon.

It's very strange that a very large percentage of Canada's population is made of people who only came here in the last 30 years, and yet the four major parties still don't pay attention to them. Makes you realize issues like health care (and lack of concern for military spending) are reflections of this phenomenon, as is the need for social care. Do Canadians (those born here for, say, three generations) realize what a doctor with, say 10 years of experience in his original country, has to go through in Canada, and the amount of bitterness and resentment (s)he accumulates?

As for elections and *WHY* some people don't vote... I asked someone a few days ago why election dates aren't set for Sundays - as they are in Europe. I don't think that all the people who have to work in a 9 to 5 job and have to face rush hour traffic will have the energy to go and vote during a regular week day. And I was told that a Sunday election would upset religious people. While I can see the reasons (they never occured to me) I still believe this betrays an incredible short-sightedness.

There are many other issues at hand...

*Sometimes I wish there was a purely Canadian Anandtech.... giving us the chance to debate these things more lively and with less interference. *

...in any case, these elections are pivotal for what Canada may look like in 10 years from now, and I'm extremely worried for what lurks in the shadows of a Conservative government. Paul Martin's ads are scare-mongering, but there is a grain of truth to them, and while he is not much better than a "U.S. lackey" - to quote the troll of this thread - at least the deterioration process would be slower under him, leaving the door open for some turn for the better in the future. The NDP looks on paper like a better party - one I'd vote for, if I had my citizenship - but from what I understand, its governance record in Ontario was abysmal, which probably indicates they're not ready to make the country work.

But what am I saying here... it's late and I'm tired, and I'm still at the office, with my crappy job, four levels under my level of education and experience... :disgust: time for some more self-ridiculing... :D
 

Aquaman

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If Harper wins minority, Liberals could stay in power: experts

OTTAWA (CP) - Gov. Gen. Adrienne Clarkson may be burning the midnight oil at Rideau Hall these days, boning up on just what she's supposed to do if no one wins a clear majority on June 28.
As titular head of government, Clarkson will be asked to oversee formation of the next government. But experts say her options are very limited. Unless Stephen Harper's Conservatives win a majority in the federal vote, Paul Martin and his Liberals will have another kick at the can.

"In a minority situation, even if he (Martin) has fewer seats than the Conservatives, he has that right to meet the House of Commons and put forth his agenda - end of story," says political scientist David Docherty.

Canada's political conventions say that if no party wins a clear majority, the incumbent prime minister - Martin - gets the first crack at forming the next government regardless of who won the most ridings.

Even if Harper's Conservatives take more seats than the Liberals, without a majority, Harper will be second choice.

The precedent dates back to the federal election of October 1925, which returned 102 Liberals, 114 Conservatives and 29 Progressives, Labour and Independents. Mackenzie King, the incumbent Liberal prime minister, governed with the support of the Progressives until the following June, when his government was defeated and the Conservatives were allowed to form a government.

Polls have consistently suggested the Conservatives and Liberals are running pretty much neck-and-neck, making the minority scenario increasingly likely.

"The Governor General is probably now taking some advice. . .and it would likely be: 'Here are your options and they're very few,' "says Docherty, who teaches at Wilfrid Laurier University.

Clarkson's staff isn't saying much about who she's consulting on her options.

"I presume she's reading up on the Constitutional authorities," said David Smith, an expert in the field who teaches at the University of Saskatchewan.

That would show her chief task is to ensure Canada has a government and a prime minister.

"That should provide us some comfort," adds Docherty.

"The unelected, appointed head of state in Canada has pretty clearly defined roles. . .it's not as though she can sprinkle fairy dust and say: 'now I'll let you govern.' "

But the scenario after June 28 could be complicated.

If any party wins a majority, it forms the next government.

That's simple enough.

Failing that, Martin - who remains prime minister until a replacement is sworn in - has first right to visit Rideau Hall and explain to Clarkson just how he thinks he can keep the confidence of the House - that is, govern.

To do so would require the support of at least one other party and most eyes are turning to Jack Layton's New Democrats.

And that suggests a long, hot summer of horse-trading between the Liberals and the NDP as Martin puts together a cabinet and prepares a throne speech acceptable to his supporters.

Smith suggests political parties will want to co-operate for a while at least, rather than snub voters. Minority governments last an average of 18 months in Canada.

And no one will want to stampede back to the polls after the trials of the current election campaign.

So Harper's chance to govern in a minority situation would come only if Martin's Liberals win so few seats that even with the support of another party, they couldn't likely survive a confidence vote.

Only then would Clarkson turn to Harper, according to political convention.

"She (Clarkson) does have the ultimate power although there are constraints on what she can and can't do," said Michael Behiels, a history professor at the University of Ottawa.

"But she won't want to become too intrusive because that would open her up to complaints of being too intrusive in the political process."

And Harper would have a much tougher time of trying to govern because he'd have trouble finding support from other parties, suggested Behiels.

Martin is already wooing the NDP by increasingly emphasizing social programs and policies on his left wing, Behiels added.

Even in Tuesday night's televised leaders debate, Martin seemed to be reaching out to Layton, hinting the next Liberal government would consider proportional representation - an article of faith among New Democrats.

"He's shifting his game plan to the centre. . .in the last couple of weeks, he's counting on the NDP picking up enough seats to allow him to form a minority government with NDP support," said Behiels.

Martin may also be able to win Bloc Quebecois backing on some bills as another method of support to keep his administration alive.

Minority situations aren't unusual to Canadian politics.

Over the years, the country has seen eight minority governments, the most recent in 1979 when a shocked Joe Clark became prime minister of a short- lived Progressive Conservative regime that fell to a resurgent wave of Trudeaumania the next year.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

StageLeft

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I'm not living in Canada, but if I was I'd vote anything but Liberal, so I said Conservative, because anything's better than more socialistic nonsense which is the prevailing theme in Canada these days.
I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.
My parents have said the same to try and encourage my return to Canada. They've stopped, reason being we're doing better on my one salary in the US than if we were both living and working in Canada. Tell me: What's faster, a ferrari with a mild fuel delivery problem or a cavalier that's "running like a top". It's going to be a bloody long fall before the US's economy is no stronger than Canada's. Just because it's had more issues of late than Canada doesn't mean it's not still far and away stronger - which it indisputably is.

Anyway, the last thing I need is another canada vs. US thread this morning :)

I would just not vote libbies in again (not that I did last time anyway).
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: silverpig
Sweet. I don't have to pick a party now. The former Reform/Conservative MP in my riding, who is a great guy, was sorta bumped out of his party spot by some shady politics by another party member. So now dude is running as an independent and polls show he's leading by a landslide in my riding, so he gets my vote and I don't have to pick a party :)

Cadman eh?

Pretty good guy.

Cheers,
Aquaman

That would be him.
 

Haps

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I didn't necessarily want to vote Liberal because I'm still pissed off about the broken GST promise Chretian made. However, there is no way in hell I would vote for the Reform or Canadian Alliance Party. And Now that the PC"s joined up with them they just lost my vote.

The NDP is a lost cause. They will never win so not much point in talking about it. So I will vote Liberal because I feel that they are the only real choice right now. My vote doesn't matter much anyways. My riding is a strong Liberal riding and has been that way for 50 years except one term. The current Liberal MP's will get relected.
 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: Haps
I didn't necessarily want to vote Liberal because I'm still pissed off about the broken GST promise Chretian made. However, there is no way in hell I would vote for the Reform or Canadian Alliance Party. And Now that the PC"s joined up with them they just lost my vote.

The NDP is a lost cause. They will never win so not much point in talking about it. So I will vote Liberal because I feel that they are the only real choice right now. My vote doesn't matter much anyways. My riding is a strong Liberal riding and has been that way for 50 years except one term. The current Liberal MP's will get relected.

Nice to see some intelligent discussion going on here...well that's how this thread started anyway until someone by the name of "Mill" decided to well...light it up! I don't mean to offend you Mill, but it's just that the way you dropped into the debate that caught people by surprise.

Anyway, I agree with most of the points being made here. Personally I think:

LIBERAL -- No way are they getting my vote. I just don't trust them personally. All the promises they are making actually fix problems they created! Well everyone makes mistakes, right? Well sorry, ten years is a long time making mistakes! Thanks...but no thanks!

CONSERVATIVE -- I have a bad feeling about them. There's this glint in Harpers' eye that creeps me out sometimes. He definitely has a "hidden agenda" as Layton has been saying all along. I don't know how much of an American slave this guy is but .. going to the US to apologize on behalf of the Canadian people for not going to war in Iraq!! This guy's messed up!

NDP -- Hmm...well..they've never been in power. So they never really haven't been tested to see if they can run a country properly. They want to keep good relations with the American but don't want to kneel in front of them at the same time...I like that. They are supportive of the immigrants..Layton's wife's Chinese and I'm an immigrant. I think he has a better understanding of the three of what the immigrants go through in their early years and what kind of issues they're facing. And I think Layton's a nice guy...honest at heart. My vote goes to him!

Constructive criticism welcome!
 

blakeatwork

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I'm not voting for Layton, and definitely not for Stockwell Manning (Stephen Harper). First time in my life I'll be voting Liberal.... I'm sure I'll burn in one hell or another for it..
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: Aelius
I'm a Libertarian.

There are no candidates in my riding that are running as Libertarians "yet" so I'm not voting yet again.

I will not cast a vote for any other party because they are all the same crap dressed up differently with slightly different seasoning.

It is pathetic.

There is only one ideal I agree with virtually 100% of the time and that's Libertarian.

People that post messages like this make me mad....

Get off your damn chair and do something about... Run in your riding if you're so "adamant" about change or choice... No, you don't need to be a lawyer, doctor etc etc... All you need is determination, support from friends and family, and the willingness to suck up some disappointment if you don't show well your first time out.

That's the great thing about Canada, anyone can run in the election, provided you get the required signatures... $10,000 (campaign entry fee, IIRC) isn't that hard to drum up, especially if you're offering an alternative to the big 4...

On, but wait, you won't, because that takes guts to put your reputation out for everyone to see and crticize.
 

Horus

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dexion
Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

*cough*
U.S. Population-290 Million
Canada population- 31 million.

That's one HELL of a lot more people on unemployment in the U.S. than in Canada!
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I'm not voting for Layton, and definitely not for Stockwell Manning (Stephen Harper). First time in my life I'll be voting Liberal.... I'm sure I'll burn in one hell or another for it..
I probably would have given the PC my vote had they not merged with the Reform party, but now that they have I can't see myself doing it. The problem with the way the parties are set up now is that there is no middle-right major party to vote for.
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I'm not voting for Layton, and definitely not for Stockwell Manning (Stephen Harper). First time in my life I'll be voting Liberal.... I'm sure I'll burn in one hell or another for it..
I probably would have given the PC my vote had they not merged with the Reform party, but now that they have I can't see myself doing it. The problem with the way the parties are set up now is that there is no middle-right major party to vote for.

That's my current problem with the Federal Conservatives... There's practically noone who is an actual Conservative left. Peter McKay should be bloody drawn and quartered for what he did..

Having just read through the rest of the thread:

Mill - Noone will argue (except illusionists and dreamers) that the US is not economically superior. The sheer numbers dictate that. More=more, there's really no argument. Canada has been able to keep our heads afloat due to our trade surplus, while I beleive the US is running a trade deficit (don't ask for numbers, I'm just going off the top of my head)

The biggest problem i saw in this thread was the US chest-pounding, which, when occurs on AT, you're usually there... no offense, but it's just what I've noticed. The whole point of the OP was to debate and discuss the upcoming canadian Federal Election, not whose penis is bigger... :p

I'd be more then willing to debate US VS Canadian economics, but quite frankly, when we're talking about a country 10x the size of ours (official populations, not including illegals and unregistered), there's really no way that they can be compared and contrasted. US economics work on a far larger scale, and can almost function on their own without visible manipulation, whereas Canadian economic policies are more controlled, as the manageability is "easier" (term used loosely, and only when conidered in comparison).

Slainte!
 

NoReMoRsE

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Special thanks to Mill for shutting the fvck up. :D :beer:

Interesting: it's pretty close between the "big 3" parties here, but obviously we should take any results with a grain of salt, since:
(a) Sample size is relatively small
(b) Sample population is not reflective of the population as a whole, since this is a group that caters to a specific group in society (i.e. those first of all who have access to computers and second of all like computers enough to join these forums)
(c) Canada has a stupid riding system instead of proportional representation, so if all of us are scattered around, our individual votes are worth "less" in a sense. E.g. in my riding, the Liberals will most likely win by a landslide due to the candidate, regardless of whether or not I vote for them.
 

blakeatwork

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And though it's probably said a little late:

Dexion/RyanSengara...

At this point, you've both come across as little more then hopped-up high-schoolers. I'm sure you're both, well to do, high IQ, self-sufficient individuals (turn your sarcasm meters on), with ample time in your days to develop theories about what Canda has that is superior to the US... So far, I've seen little, if any, authoritiative backup. There's nothing that pisses a Irish-born Canuck (dual-citizen) off more then some kid, whose dalliances in politics are limited to what they see in the news.

I hate to generallize, but if you're a college kid, and you're dead-set in your political policies, why not join a Young Politician's group? Aeilius yipped about how he's nothing but Libertarian, and that he wouldn't vote. Fine, I say, but when you come from a country that only recently, in relative terms, won it's independence, you tend to take your personal freedoms a little more seriously. Not voting is like standing there watching someone get raped, and doing nothing about it. Not only do you do a disservice to your country, you also mock those who chose to fight for you in wars past. Why do you think Americans pay so much respect to their veterans??? Canada never had to fight for it's name, and thus doesn't have a proper understanding of what it means to be under someone's thumb...
 

Dexion

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Dexion/RyanSengara...

At this point, you've both come across as little more then hopped-up high-schoolers. I'm sure you're both, well to do, high IQ, self-sufficient individuals (turn your sarcasm meters on), with ample time in your days to develop theories about what Canda has that is superior to the US... So far, I've seen little, if any, authoritiative backup. There's nothing that pisses a Irish-born Canuck (dual-citizen) off more then some kid, whose dalliances in politics are limited to what they see in the news.

I hate to generallize, but if you're a college kid, and you're dead-set in your political policies, why not join a Young Politician's group? Aeilius yipped about how he's nothing but Libertarian, and that he wouldn't vote. Fine, I say, but when you come from a country that only recently, in relative terms, won it's independence, you tend to take your personal freedoms a little more seriously. Not voting is like standing there watching someone get raped, and doing nothing about it. Not only do you do a disservice to your country, you also mock those who chose to fight for you in wars past. Why do you think Americans pay so much respect to their veterans??? Canada never had to fight for it's name, and thus doesn't have a proper understanding of what it means to be under someone's thumb...

Hey, don't catagorize me as in the same group as Ryan. I never mentioned anything along the lines about Canada being superior to the US. Not once.

I was just pointing out Mill's arrogance/ignorance towards Canada. Which is very apparent. Who in what world wouldn't get offended when they call their country a "Lackey"? Despite what he thinks, there are some things in Canada that is superior to US. The amount of natural resources, freedom of rights, multi-culturalism, peace and cost of living.
 

GreatBarracuda

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I was just pointing out Mill's arrogance/ignorance towards Canada. Which is very apparent. Who in what world wouldn't get offended when they call their country a "Lackey"? Despite what he thinks, there are some things in Canada that is superior to US. The amount of natural resources, freedom of rights, multi-culturalism, peace and cost of living.[/quote]

A-M-E-N to that!