Canadians don't respect the 2nd Amendment

[Vic]

This story just doesn't add up to me. I looked up the location on Google maps and this is a major border crossing. There's simply no way I can see someone crossing it because they took a wrong turn.

 

[TerryMathews]

And the definition of the word 'is' is?

Is your first name Bill?

Its a fair distinction when you have the US Secretary of State saying we shouldn't execute as Texas is putting the needle in his arm.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Its a fair distinction when you have the US Secretary of State saying we shouldn't execute as Texas is putting the needle in his arm.

Did the federal govt prevent the execution? Did they take Texas to court to prevent the execution? Did they do *anything* that could be construed as trying to stop the execution? Or was the Sec. State simply voicing an opinion?

 

[CanOWorms]

Did the federal govt prevent the execution? Did they take Texas to court to prevent the execution? Did they do *anything* that could be construed as trying to stop the execution? Or was the Sec. State simply voicing an opinion?

Yes, the federal government filed a lawsuit in court to try to prevent the executions. They lost.

 

[rommelrommel]

Yeah.

I don't know Canadian law, but here in the US you generally need 'intent' to be guilty. If the guy never intended to enter Canada not sure how how could have had intent to smuggle a gun in.

Fern

As soon as he lied (or arguably forgot) about the presence of the weapon there's your intent. If he had a kilo of coke in his glove box would we be having this conversation about intent?

 

[rommelrommel]

whats freaking hilarious is, had he remembered where he put his gun and declared it, its only 25 bucks and some paper work to get a 60 day gun permit.

We don't give those permits for handguns or restricted rifles.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

whats freaking hilarious is, had he remembered where he put his gun and declared it, its only 25 bucks and some paper work to get a 60 day gun permit.

Apparently (from the story) he didn't want to go to Canada and didn't realize where it was. Yeah it was dumb, ok real dumb, but there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that it just wasn't... dumb. A good tongue lashing and fine, but three years jail? The punishment doesn't fit the circumstances.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As soon as he lied (or arguably forgot) about the presence of the weapon there's your intent.

I'm curious as to how being forgetful leads to intent. It's quite the reverse.

 

[Mir96TA]

This story just doesn't add up to me. I looked up the location on Google maps and this is a major border crossing. There's simply no way I can see someone crossing it because they took a wrong turn.

Yep fair amount of sign indicate you are going to enter into Canada, Last exit before Canada!

Apparently (from the story) he didn't want to go to Canada and didn't realize where it was. Yeah it was dumb, ok real dumb, but there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that it just wasn't... dumb. A good tongue lashing and fine, but three years jail? The punishment doesn't fit the circumstances.

He mush able to read the road signs! either

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yes, the federal government filed a lawsuit in court to try to prevent the executions. They lost.

Sorry, have to ask for a cite as I can't find anything on Google that shows the feds did so.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tamayo-edgar-arias.htm

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  [*] On Sept. 27, 1994, a Harris County grand jury indicted Tamayo.
  
  [*] On Oct. 27, 1994, after a trial in the 209th District Court of Harris County, jurors found Tamayo guilty of capital murder.
  
  [*] On Nov. 1, 1994, after a punishment hearing, the court sentenced Tamayo to death.
  
  [*] On Dec. 11, 1996, the Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed Tamayo’s conviction and sentence.
  
  [*] On Feb. 23, 1998, Tamayo filed first state application for habeas corpus relief.
  
  [*] On June 11, 2003, the Court of Criminal Appeals denied Tamayo’s first state application for habeas corpus relief.
  
  [*] On June 17, 2003, Tamayo filed his first subsequent state writ application.
  
  [*] On Sept. 10, 2003, the Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Tamayo’s first subsequent writ application.
  
  [*] On Sept. 11, 2003, Tamayo filed his petition for federal habeas corpus relief.
  
  [*] On Mar. 21, 2005, Tamayo filed his second subsequent state writ application.
  
  [*] On July 2, 2008, the Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Tamayo’s second subsequent writ application.
  
  [*] On Mar. 8, 2010, Tamayo filed his third subsequent state writ application.
  
  [*] On June 9, 2010, the Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Tamayo’s third subsequent writ application.
  
  [*] On Mar. 25, 2011, the federal district court for the Southern District of Texas denied habeas corpus relief.
  
  [*] On April 4, 2011, Tamayo filed his notice of appeal.
  
  [*] On July 20, 2011, Tamayo sought permission to appeal by filing his application for certificate of appealability in the Fifth Circuit.
  
  [*] On Dec. 21, 2011, the Fifth Circuit denied Tamayo’s application for a certificate of appealability.
  
  [*] On Jan. 17, 2012, Tamayo petitioned for rehearing.
  
  [*] On Feb. 15, 2012, Tamayo’s petition for rehearing was denied.
  
  [*] On May 14, 2012, Tamayo sought certiorari review with the U.S. Supreme Court.
  
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[Iron Woode]

At any border entry point you don't need intent. You just need to be in violation of customs regs. Your actions at that point will determine how severe it is.

"I forgot about the firearm in my center console" isn't going to play well when you deny having any weapons.

this.

here is the relevant law:

http://canada.usembassy.gov/traveling_to_canada/bringing-weapons-into-canada.html

Bringing Weapons Into Canada

Weapons are strictly controlled. Visitors bringing firearms into Canada, or planning to borrow and use firearms while in Canada, are required to declare the firearms in writing using a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Form.

NOTE: Travelers should be advised that certain knives, even those used for hunting and fishing, may be considered prohibited weapons.

In all cases, travelers must declare to Canadian Customs authorities any firearms and weapons in their possession when entering Canada. There are often facilities near border crossings where weapons may be stored, pending the traveler's return to the United States, but this should be done before attempting to enter Canada.

NOTE:Canadian law requires that officials seize firearms and weapons from those crossing the border who deny having them in their possession. Seized firearms and weapons are never returned.

 

[bradly1101]

According to the CBC the NRA has a history of meddling in Canadian gun law, with success with long guns, are handguns next?.

In 2000, the NRA paid $100,000 for an infomercial about what it called "the Canadian situation" that aired on The National Network in the U.S., according to Bernardo, who appeared in the video.

It cautioned gun owners the registry was a government plot to find out how many guns there were in order to seize them and leave citizens helpless to defend themselves.

Edit, this is classic:

The late actor Charlton Heston, who was president of the NRA in 2000, made an appearance in Canada in April of that year, condemning the long-gun registry at a BC Wildlife Federation meeting in Prince George, B.C. "You may not be absolutely free by owning a firearm, but I guarantee that you will never be free when you can't. That is not written, that is God-given," he said, while condemning Canada's firearm registration law.

 

[Iron Woode]

According to the CBC the NRA has a history of meddling in Canadian gun law, with success with long guns, are handguns next?.



Edit, this is classic:

Dude, the LGR was a colossal waste of tax-payers money. It wasn't accurate and it didn't reduce crime.

Crimes committed with Long Guns are tiny compared to crimes committed with handguns. Handguns have been registered (and restricted) since 1938 in Canada.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Hey, I'm just applying some liberal logic to the situation.

Depends on whether you're the pitcher or the catcher.

Read your posts. You literally sound dumb as fuck.

 

[rommelrommel]

According to the CBC the NRA has a history of meddling in Canadian gun law, with success with long guns, are handguns next?.



Edit, this is classic:

How the fuck is informing people in the US about Canadian politics "meddling in Canadian gun law?"

 

[silverpig]

Dude, the LGR was a colossal waste of tax-payers money. It wasn't accurate and it didn't reduce crime.

Crimes committed with Long Guns are tiny compared to crimes committed with handguns. Handguns have been registered (and restricted) since 1938 in Canada.

It shouldn't have been implemented, but it also probably shouldn't have been scrapped, but now that it has been, it shouldn't be re-instituted. My brother in law is RCMP and he said they used it quite often and got a lot of use out of it. It may not have prevented many crimes, but the information about how many (if any) long guns were in a residence was useful information when responding to a domestic.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Lies
I'm Canadian and I can respect it

 

[actuarial]

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see where he was sentenced to three years in prison. Citing the maximum punishment for a given crime and then debating whether it fits the current circumstances is just a tad premature.

 

[boomerang]

Read your posts. You literally sound dumb as fuck.

So what's your point? Read them, ignore them, why in the world would I care?

 

[Orignal Earl]

That Border Security show on National Geographic is pretty interesting
Lots of times you will see Americans commenting that their biggest fear is when they will be crossing back into the US
I would hate to forget something like a gun while trying to cross into America, probably off to Gitmo no questions asked

 

[rudeguy]

New York does not honor concealed permits issued by any state. Vermont honors from all states.

Interactive map below.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

Correct. This man should be charged with a felony in New York once he gets out of Canadian prison.

Follow the damn law. If you don't, you make it much harder for us responsible gun owners.

 

[rudeguy]

This story just doesn't add up to me. I looked up the location on Google maps and this is a major border crossing. There's simply no way I can see someone crossing it because they took a wrong turn.

the guy is a liar.

The part where he "forgets" he had a gun really angers me. That is not responsible gun ownership and things like that can get people hurt.

He was carrying illegally in the states and tried to carry illegally into Canada. Screw this guy.

 

[yllus]

I wish the NRA would spend a bit of time lobbying up here. The city I live in (Toronto) has banned gun ranges and gun stores from existing within city borders which makes doing some fun target practice rather difficult if you're a downtown resident and don't own a car.

 

[cbrunny]

This is my sticking point with the situation...

Shouldn't they have some sort of provision to turn around?

"I apologize, but we made a wrong turn back there and actually do not wish to enter Canada."

If you've ever driven across a CAN-US border, you'll know there are opportunities to turn around, and it is extremely obvious when crossing.

 

[cbrunny]

The other thing we all need to remember is that this is one article and we must accept that what is in the article is what really happened. Border security being what it is these days, I would imagine a request to turn around would not be honored. But at that point bureaucracy took over. As was said, his lawyer doesn't sound like he's the cream of the crop - based on the article anyway. Canada, in my opinion is going to throw their money away going after this guy, but it's their money and they can spend it whatever way they want.

He had his ass hung way out in the wind with the weapon in NY which is unfortunate. Unfortunate that NY has laws that restrict the rights of the citizens of the country to that degree.

NY: State NRA membership nearly doubled in 2013​

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At some point you'd think politicians would realize their efforts are having the opposite effect. But, many of them are little more than whores willing to open wide for whomever is offering the most.​

Being a Canadian citizen, I can assure you that nobody will actually care about this in any way in Canada. It will not last through one news cycle. The ONLY reason this has ANY press at all is because the guy is making a spectacle about it.