Canadians don't respect the 2nd Amendment

[Nebor]

whats freaking hilarious is, had he remembered where he put his gun and declared it, its only 25 bucks and some paper work to get a 60 day gun permit.

Seeing as how his gun was a .380, it was very likely a prohibited device under Canadian law, not meeting the 4.1" barrel length requirement.

 

[ivwshane]

I'd love to see this road he was on where he didn't know he was going to canada and was unable to turn around previously.

Does Canada have entry points hidden behind blind turns?

 

[Jaskalas]

Canada has laws. If you go to Canada, follow their laws.

No issue found.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Because the President of the United States has said the US laws shouldn't apply to Mexicans in America

And your post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread... congrats.

 

[boomerang]

On a trip to Virginia this past summer, as we approached a toll booth surrounded by 18 wheeled trucks, the GPS kept barking, bear left, bear left. Unable to see exactly how close we were to the toll booth, I followed instructions only to find myself in the far left lane, the E-ZPass lane flying through with traffic at 55 miles per hour. Shortly thereafter we found out it was actually the E-ZPass lane for HOV. Fortunately, with two of us in the car we escaped that fine but did get a fine in the mail for being there without an E-ZPass.

 

[nehalem256]

And your post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread... congrats.

He wanted to know why and American would think Canadian laws don't apply to Americans in Canada.

Since the President says that American laws don't apply to Mexicans in America it seems like a logical conclusion

 

[ivwshane]

On a trip to Virginia this past summer, as we approached a toll booth surrounded by 18 wheeled trucks, the GPS kept barking, bear left, bear left. Unable to see exactly how close we were to the toll booth, I followed instructions only to find myself in the far left lane, the E-ZPass lane flying through with traffic at 55 miles per hour. Shortly thereafter we found out it was actually the E-ZPass lane for HOV. Fortunately, with two of us in the car we escaped that fine but did get a fine in the mail for being there without an E-ZPass.

Not surprising, you seem to believe what you are told as opposed to believing what your eyes are showing you😉

 

[Daverino]

I missed that point in the article. Please elaborate. What I interpreted from the article was the lawyer was claiming Canadians are going after Americans who are trying to follow Canadian Law just not fully knowledged on the law. It's not an excuse for breaking their laws, but it's a far different point of view than what you interpret it as.


But regardless, someone on a road to a border crossing should have the ability to freely turn around before crossing the border. So the only question I have is, what opportunities does this crossing provide to turn around before crossing?

From the article.

His Canadian lawyer, Bruce Engel, says Canada overreacted to DiNatale's honest mistake and is using his case to send a message.

"They're trying to make a general blanket statement to American citizens: Don't mess with our borders," Engel said from his office in Ottawa.

"They could have done their homework and looked at his background and seen he's a professional," Engel (the lawyer) said of the border patrol. "They could have accepted the word of his wife and released him on his own recognizance."

Please also bear in mind that my cliff note was tongue-in-cheek. Regarding the crossing itself, it was on Interstate I-81 going north out of New York. It is one of two major corridors out of Northern New York into Canada, the other being I-83. The other thing to consider is that from the I-81 crossing the fastest and most direct route to Vermont (where he was going) is through Canada. So if his GPS gave him a wrong turn, it must have done so in Syracuse, about 100 miles south of where he hit the Canadian border.

Additional trivia: He could have been arrested in NYS if he was pulled over. He was in violation of NYS permit laws and the Firearm Owners' Protection Act "Safe Passage" provision. He had a loaded gun which was accessible to the driver, two big no-nos when traveling through a state where you do not have a permit.

 

[monovillage]

Yeah, we totally agree. Poor choice of a title for the thread. One so wacky, I assumed it wasn't a serious thread.

No surprise that an asshole like Daverino would deliberately use a false title for a thread.

 

[Daverino]

No surprise that an asshole like Daverino would deliberately use a false title for a thread.

Not surprising that an after-douche like you would take the opportunity to call me an asshole without contributing to the thread.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He wanted to know why and American would think Canadian laws don't apply to Americans in Canada.

Since the President says that American laws don't apply to Mexicans in America it seems like a logical conclusion

Ok, when did the President say that American laws don't apply to Mexicans in America? Seems to me that the US just executed a Mexican in America for breaking an American law.

Stick to your toasters.

 

[Fern]

This is my sticking point with the situation...

Shouldn't they have some sort of provision to turn around?

"I apologize, but we made a wrong turn back there and actually do not wish to enter Canada."

Yeah.

I don't know Canadian law, but here in the US you generally need 'intent' to be guilty. If the guy never intended to enter Canada not sure how how could have had intent to smuggle a gun in.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Ok, when did the President say that American laws don't apply to Mexicans in America? Seems to me that the US just executed a Mexican in America for breaking an American law.

Stick to your toasters.

It wasn't the US, it was the state of Texas.

Fern

 

[zinfamous]

Incorrigible is canadian--perhaps he should chime in on canadians stomping on the american rights of which he is perpetually jealous?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yeah.

I don't know Canadian law, but here in the US you generally need 'intent' to be guilty. If the guy never intended to enter Canada not sure how how could have had intent to smuggle a gun in.

Fern

At any border entry point you don't need intent. You just need to be in violation of customs regs. Your actions at that point will determine how severe it is.

"I forgot about the firearm in my center console" isn't going to play well when you deny having any weapons.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Canadians don't respect the 2nd Amendment

Well, duuuuuhhhhh!!!!!

 

[Zaap]

maybe this?

The context of that is within the US. It's past-tense since he's being asked WHEN and answered last week.

 

[JManInPhoenix]

What is the law regarding having a loaded handgun in your car in either New York or Vermont?

 

[Daverino]

What is the law regarding having a loaded handgun in your car in either New York or Vermont?

NYS does not recognize any out of state gun permits. Therefore, federal statute applies.

Relevant law for NYS is:

United States Code
Title 18 - Part I - Chapter 44
§926A

Interstate Transportation of Firearms:

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment
of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

So he was definitely breaking NYS law. Vermont, however, does not require a permit to carry a hand gun nor does it issue them.

 

[boomerang]

What is the law regarding having a loaded handgun in your car in either New York or Vermont?

New York does not honor concealed permits issued by any state. Vermont honors from all states.

Interactive map below.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

 

[shady28]

On a trip to Virginia this past summer, as we approached a toll booth surrounded by 18 wheeled trucks, the GPS kept barking, bear left, bear left. Unable to see exactly how close we were to the toll booth, I followed instructions only to find myself in the far left lane, the E-ZPass lane flying through with traffic at 55 miles per hour. Shortly thereafter we found out it was actually the E-ZPass lane for HOV. Fortunately, with two of us in the car we escaped that fine but did get a fine in the mail for being there without an E-ZPass.

Glad you posted that. GPS' depending on brand don't always navigate you the correct way.

And this guy wound up on a road going to an inspection point, and ASKED IF HE COULD TURN AROUND.

Why that last part is escaping the whole thread, I don't get.

 

[Doppel]

He did not "forget". He was trying to bring a loaded weapon into another country, without declaring it.

You know this how? What was his intent exactly? To sell it in Canada?

This is my sticking point with the situation...

Shouldn't they have some sort of provision to turn around?

"I apologize, but we made a wrong turn back there and actually do not wish to enter Canada."

I assume he was denied after the gun event. Otherwise absolutely they have a turn around point.

Anyway, it's obvious to everyone here he'll never get 3 years over this.

 

[boomerang]

Glad you posted that. GPS' depending on brand don't always navigate you the correct way.

And this guy wound up on a road going to an inspection point, and ASKED IF HE COULD TURN AROUND.

Why that last part is escaping the whole thread, I don't get.

The other thing we all need to remember is that this is one article and we must accept that what is in the article is what really happened. Border security being what it is these days, I would imagine a request to turn around would not be honored. But at that point bureaucracy took over. As was said, his lawyer doesn't sound like he's the cream of the crop - based on the article anyway. Canada, in my opinion is going to throw their money away going after this guy, but it's their money and they can spend it whatever way they want.

He had his ass hung way out in the wind with the weapon in NY which is unfortunate. Unfortunate that NY has laws that restrict the rights of the citizens of the country to that degree.

NY: State NRA membership nearly doubled in 2013​

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At some point you'd think politicians would realize their efforts are having the opposite effect. But, many of them are little more than whores willing to open wide for whomever is offering the most.​

 

[Nebor]

So he was definitely breaking NYS law. Vermont, however, does not require a permit to carry a hand gun nor does it issue them.

That's a good point. This animal deliberately broke NYS law AND Canadian law. Hopefully the people of New York see fit to imprison him for 3-5 years once he's done repaying his debt to Canadian society.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It wasn't the US, it was the state of Texas.

Fern

And the definition of the word 'is' is?

Is your first name Bill?