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Canadians consider themselves anti-American
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It's a pretty big difference between being a member of the Commonwealth and having a monarch as your head of state. I don't think that you understand the difference... the monarchy has absolutely nothing to do with India's government. Canada is a monarchy.
On one side you state that the monarchy has no influence. Now you're saying that the monarchy has influence. Make up your mind.
StageLeft
No Lifer
It's part of the general malaise. People are so inclined to vote the same way and "stay the course". Canada is quite eager to send its peace keepers around, but likes to blend with the masses on more notable decisions. You can feel this at election time. People may agree with the leader of one party--everything he says sounds right--except, oh he's against abortion so he's too "extreme".
Compared to the US Canadians definitely are less prone to political change. Afterall, they didn't fight for independence and probably would not have. The country is currently and comfortably voting liberal with each election because they know nothing bad will happen if they vote liberal, even though nothing good will happen either. If you're looking for numbers you won't find them; gallup doesn't do polls on this sort of thing.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
You can compare Commonwealth countries if the other one you're comparing Canada to actually recognize the British Monarchy as their Head of State. India is not a good comparison for you - how about Australia? However, they seem to be on the path to eventually eliminating it.
Stunt
Diamond Member
When the head of state plays a very minor and insignificant role in society, why would anyone want to be it, especially if they represent a fringe minority in the country. All positions of power are open to all citizens. To totally play into your earlier comments about comparing american society to canadian...Isn't it a rule that if you were not born in the US, you cannot be head of state either?
Isn't that restrictive as there are many citzens who are not given the opportunity to be head of state?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
I'm sure that many people would aspire to become their own country's head of state for many reasons. I sure wouldn't mind it and I would personally be insulted if I could never obtain such a position due to discriminatory and possibly racist laws that my country recognizes.
True, but it's not discriminatory based on religion or any other personal identifier. A better comparison for you would be if the US did not allow a black man to ever become president.
The recognition of the monarchy, which is inherently discriminatory based on religion and other factors, flies in the face of all human rights. If you choose to support such a hateful system, then I feel sorry for you.
StageLeft
No Lifer
People always discuss politics and condemn politicians. Of course.
While no federal legislation becomes law without Royal Assent given by the Governor General You're right that normally the queen doesn't really care to get in anybody's way, but she is still ultimately the head of state.
Hell, I'M not particularly thrilled with the U.S. right now and I'm a citizen. It certainly doesn't surprise me that people from most of the other countries of the World despise it.
IMO, this will only worsen as Bush's actions on a host of issues push people further and further away. America will become isolated, economically and politically. It's already happening.
Let's face it, the U.S. is viewed as a pariah state right now.
Stunt
Diamond Member
Where did i say that the monarch had influence?...i've stated time and time again that the monarch is an irrelevant issue and you have yet to propose reasoning for our society as a whole to want to change. I want to know how it will affect my life, not an on paper, sounds better type of response.
Skoorb made a decent point about the cost of the GG. Although relative to other first world nations i think we get off easy for that sort of fat.
Stunt
Diamond Member
Ok sorry guys, as much as i love to disguss the monarch...*not*
I really have to get some work done...i am a uni student, only for a month though...yikes!
I think that the monarch is a weak platform for presenting a case for anti-americanism. Actually looking at the posts it seems more like an irrelevant reason to bash a system that has shown to have no major flaws. This was proven by you and your lack of examples for significant effects on canada's society.
If someone can somehow bring this monarch issue into the reasoning of mainstream antiamericanism, i'd be more interested in this rather than reasons against it. We have already gone through the monarch thread, i made it just for you COW. I really wish you would keep your comments to that thread 😛
If someone intelligent wants to follow up my comments, feel free. I think my opinions and motivations are clear.
I really have to get some work done...i am a uni student, only for a month though...yikes!
I think that the monarch is a weak platform for presenting a case for anti-americanism. Actually looking at the posts it seems more like an irrelevant reason to bash a system that has shown to have no major flaws. This was proven by you and your lack of examples for significant effects on canada's society.
If someone can somehow bring this monarch issue into the reasoning of mainstream antiamericanism, i'd be more interested in this rather than reasons against it. We have already gone through the monarch thread, i made it just for you COW. I really wish you would keep your comments to that thread 😛
If someone intelligent wants to follow up my comments, feel free. I think my opinions and motivations are clear.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
The monarchy is a symbol of discrimination and hatred. Simply put, any Canadians of Hindu, Muslim, Catholic, Buddhist and so on religions can never become their country's Head of State.
You have never addressed the above bolded lines. I have provided it to you twice in this very thread. This is the third time. Others have provided other examples, yet you refuse to even respond to them.
If you're going to leave a conversation, you shouldn't run away while essentially screaming 'i win! i win!' while holding your hands over your ears.
Stunt
Diamond Member
Well thanks for dragging me back from work 😛
a) i did not say i won...care to quote where i imply this?
b) i responded to your bolded comment, i even left it bold.
c) COW, read the thread topic...then tell me why YOU feel you need to put so much emphasis into your monarch crap. I made a whole other thread for that. Feel free to make the connection to the CURRENT THREAD TOPIC. Beyond that, stay on subject. The reason i continued this discussion is because i thought you were trying to make a point relevant to the topic.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
You're welcome! 😀
Simple: Actually looking at the posts it seems more like an irrelevant reason to bash a system that has shown to have no major flaws. This was proven by you and your lack of examples for significant effects on canada's society.
We have all provided numerous examples, which you prefer to avoid or provide irrelevant comparisons to or stray off onto a tangent.
Just let me ask you some questions: Do you support government sanctioned discrimination? How do you feel that your Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, etc. countrymen can NEVER be Canada's Head of State at this time?
What would you say if the US had a position, say 'Official White House Lady', where all she does is something far less significant than being the Head of State of Canada. Would you be fine if there was a law that was actively practiced that said she could not be a black woman?
That monarchy thread is probably a year old. I might as well just scream REPOST on this thread since there are many threads regarding anti-Americanism behavior among Canadians.
It's funny how you basically start the conversation on the subject, face strict opposition, get your faults shown to you, then you cry off topic. Interesting...
RabidMongoose
Lifer
:thumbsup:
AnitaPeterson
Diamond Member
Stunt et al., give it up. Your persistance in drawing attention to such issues amazes me. Are you so masochistic that you absolutely need to roll our country in the mud by posting here?
Every time you post something that has to do with Canada, U.S. resident trolls will come and threadcrap all over the place, spewing their ignorance and hatred towards anything that's different, trumpeting their superior way of life and bullying anyone with a different opinion. What does it matter that Canada is a "parliamentary democracy" (not a monarchy or a presidential republic), or that Canadians, even if they go to work in the U.S., they don't make it a permanent home...
Skoorb was a Canadian - or so I thought - and now I see him mention the citizenship test. That's precisely where the Canadian state is defined as a "parliamentary democracy" (although a reference to the Queen is indeed made in the Citizenship oath).
Funny enough, it's only U.S. people that constantly demean Canada and Canadians, not the rest of the international members. It almost tempts me to say the difference between being a Canadian and an American is that, as a Canadian, you're only hated by your immediate neighbours to the South, while as an American, you disgust the entire world, regardless of your merits.
There are certain people here (RabidMongoose and other corpses) whose pet peeve is come and insult Canada every time the name of the country is mentioned. Oi! you can kiss my Canadian behind, and beg for seconds.
There's also a bunch of mouth-breathers which automatically equates monarchy with absolute evil, as if these kinds of generalisations serve any purpose. I'm willing to bet none of these "ferocious republicans" (aka straw tigers) ever met a contemporary royal family member, because even their double-digit IQs might be tempted to draw unfavourable comparisons with the boors and imbeciles elected to a certain Oval Office.
Every time you post something that has to do with Canada, U.S. resident trolls will come and threadcrap all over the place, spewing their ignorance and hatred towards anything that's different, trumpeting their superior way of life and bullying anyone with a different opinion. What does it matter that Canada is a "parliamentary democracy" (not a monarchy or a presidential republic), or that Canadians, even if they go to work in the U.S., they don't make it a permanent home...
Skoorb was a Canadian - or so I thought - and now I see him mention the citizenship test. That's precisely where the Canadian state is defined as a "parliamentary democracy" (although a reference to the Queen is indeed made in the Citizenship oath).
Funny enough, it's only U.S. people that constantly demean Canada and Canadians, not the rest of the international members. It almost tempts me to say the difference between being a Canadian and an American is that, as a Canadian, you're only hated by your immediate neighbours to the South, while as an American, you disgust the entire world, regardless of your merits.
There are certain people here (RabidMongoose and other corpses) whose pet peeve is come and insult Canada every time the name of the country is mentioned. Oi! you can kiss my Canadian behind, and beg for seconds.
There's also a bunch of mouth-breathers which automatically equates monarchy with absolute evil, as if these kinds of generalisations serve any purpose. I'm willing to bet none of these "ferocious republicans" (aka straw tigers) ever met a contemporary royal family member, because even their double-digit IQs might be tempted to draw unfavourable comparisons with the boors and imbeciles elected to a certain Oval Office.
If you'd not like to talk about the monarchy, that's fine, but you shouldn't pretend that you're some sort of angel when you essentially started the conversation, repeatedly faced opposition and refused to actually address that opposition, and now want to leave as if you're innocent of something.
Stunt
Diamond Member
You have failed to show any evidence of a major impact on Canadians: currency, a minor amount of funds for the GG and a powerless head of state play no role at all in canadians lives, let alone explains the anti-american sentiment.
Do you support the discrimination of say Arnold from becoming President...a postion with actual power...unlike the useless, irrelevant queen?
The head of state is set as one person, it discriminates against all people equally. It's not a rights issue but a restriction, just like all other laws and regulations.
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