Canadians and your heath care. I got this email today, is this true?

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: D1gger
How many people die in the US without even seeing a doctor because they don't have health insurance?

I don't know. You got a statistic? Nobody in the US can legally be denied health care for anything life-threatening. Hell, we have a huge illegal immigrant population that regularly takes advantage of our health care system without having insurance. That doesn't include government programs like Medicare and S-CHIP that are put in place to help the poor and lower middle class.

OH I can step in on this one for I have hands on with your answer and that answer is YES, they can tell you to go piss off. As many here know of my situation, cant work, disabled, blah blah. My wife works, makes $7 an hour. I took my injury settlement and paid everything we own off so that we can live off $7 an hour, then going and seeing a doctor for my injury to try to get better then worse.

WHY

Because welfare wouldnt look at me for it was a work injury, and workers comp bought me off knowing that they could keep delaying the trial for years, knowing of our situation and being poor so I was backed into a corner, forced to take in. And while waiting from the one injury I developed type II diabetes, massively high blood pressure, were talking I should be dead even on pills its so high 190/120, and now suffer from chronic pain in my back, legs, and head 24/7 which causes me to be highly medicated all the time on pain pills that hardly work at all. All of which if I stop taking my pills for will die from.

NOW moving over to today and moving from Hammond IN, to Dyer TN. Was able to pay off everything, was and sorta am on welfare till dec 24th when the stipulations to my settlement is over and I can finally go and apply for SSI, BUT because when we moved here, and my wife wanted to work, took a job, the state claims she works too many hours for us to stay on welfair. NOT MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY, SHE WORKS TOO DAMN HARD AND 40 HOUR WEEKS. And because of that they have dropped us, my ENTIRE FAMILY INCLUDING MY CHILDREN from food stamps and HEALTHCARE. And they know full well of my health situation that without my pills they have signed my death papers, and all we got when I asked about this, AND apposed it, was thats the way it is with the system, your wife works too many hours. For us to go back on the system my wife will have to QUIT her job.

With what she makes, we can barely keep above water, and Jan 1st of next year we have no health care for right now were have it on a justation (sp) period, to supposedly give us time from when they cut us off to the first to ease ourself into getting healthcare on our own.

That in itself is funny because she makes $7 a hour. Just my pills alone would cost us almost $800 a month, jsut for my pills. If I wanted to get health care, IF I could find one to even give me it because of my outstanding health problems, would cost us over $1000 a month just for me alone, my wife brings home $1000 a month for us to live on. So tell me where is the no one is left behind healthcare. No one iis refused health care, my kids are told they will have NONE at all, I will be dead soon after the first if I cant get on ssi right away, and there is no promise of that taking place right away either for there are horror sotries of people trying to get on that.

So unless you walk inside the shoes of mine, you wont know what is there and what is not. And the only way right now for us to keep it, is if my wife gets fired from her job, she cant quit, she must be fired, and she has already been there a year, never missed a day, and was the employee of the month 2 times, and loves the work she does, she is going to really need to fuck up bad for them to let her go. And then she needs to go find a job that will only let her work 20 hours a week, and if she does that, wont bring home enough to pay the bills and we get fucked on that end. So its not all fun and roses, and Im not on it because we want to be on it, were forced on it, and it sucks that they know of our situation, and even had the case worker tell us it is fucked up because its people like us who suffer, while the ones who want to fuck off and milk it can keep doing it.

But this Bush bull shit with no child left behind, well mother fucking Bush, how about my kids and my fucking family, we want to do good, my wife wants to work and keep working, I NEED THE FUCKING INSURANCE TO STAY ALIVE, and my KIDS need it period, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, were kicked off, where the FUCK ARE YOU! Were told if we want it, health insurance, we have to stop working too hard to get it, what the fuck is that!?!?!?! I called and written to the State of TN, and get the same answers back, too bad, your wife works too many hours, thats how the system works, your wife has to work less hours, get fired, or thats it you need to get insurance on your own.

HA, cant be denied healthcare, my big white hairy ass!

OH and dont even get me start on the care I receive while I have the insurance, its a wonder I am still alive at all with the wonderful care I get off that. No idea whats causing my pain in my head on one side I take 4 pills to keep at bay everyday, took a mri, showed nothing, but since the pills lessen the pain, wont pay for anything more to find out why the pain is there in the first place. OH and the fun I had as they played musical pills with me till they found a set of them that made it sorta go away. This is the great health care system at work, hell I can have a tumor, think they give a shit, fuck no, the pills take the pain away to a point, thats working, we wont spend no more money on you to find out why.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

This email is definitely an exaggeration.

I only pay $11/month for MSP coverage (granted I don't have a large income). I have had the same family doctor for 22 years. It can be difficult to see him, but only because he has a large number of patients (this has increased steadily over the years).

You can absolutely pay to have private care done if you want. My uncle would have had to wait 2 years for a hip replacement in Victoria, so he paid to go to Ottawa where there was only a 3 week wait.

Ok...number 9 is actually correct. Canada spends more per capita on health care than most developed nations, but our quality of care does not rank near the top.

As for the needles, I don't know about diabetics, since I don't have that disease. The drug users get free needles at a facility called InSite, exclusive to Vancouver. The goal is to reduce overdoses, spread of HIV and bloodborne illnesses, and provide increased visibility for drug users so they can be referred to treatment. It has been a resounding success in those areas. The program does not try to address property crime as it does not provide free drugs (the users provide their own). Nevertheless, property crime is decreasing.

On the whole, this person is a moron.

 

[pstylesss]

Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

Her job does have it, just for her though she would have to pay $150 a month, then it is a extra $100 per family member so it would be $450 a month if we all went on the plan when she brings home $100 a month, even if we just did her and the kids we couldnt afford it, and she must have it in order to put others on it. Once I can get on ssi she plans to keep working and then we will be using it, and her working will be paying for the kids insurance, but till that time, were still screwed if I cant get on SSI right away.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

Her job does have it, just for her though she would have to pay $150 a month, then it is a extra $100 per family member so it would be $450 a month if we all went on the plan when she brings home $100 a month, even if we just did her and the kids we couldnt afford it, and she must have it in order to put others on it. Once I can get on ssi she plans to keep working and then we will be using it, and her working will be paying for the kids insurance, but till that time, were still screwed if I cant get on SSI right away.

Ok... I can understand how that could not be affordable for you, but if she just covers herself and you, it would be 250/mo and it should cover most of the prescriptions' cost. You're kids still aren't covered but that detuction would still save you money, wouldn't it?

There are still plenty of union jobs that have wonderful benefits. My dad has the Cadillac package, it costs $97/mo and covers everyone in the family (luckily I'm still covered). While I believe it's a drain on the employer, the fact is those jobs are out there and can be had.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Feneant2
I checked out the tax brackets :
Federal max : 29% of taxable income over $120,887
Provincial max : 17.95% on the amount over $111,161 (in New-Brunswick)

That gives me a total of what, 46.95%, there is no such thing as a 55% tax bracket no matter where you are.

Um, your forgot the CPP rate of 4.95% and the EI (employment insurance) rate of 1.80%. That brings it to 53.70%

CPP is like Social Security here in the states. Both are taxes and everyone pays it.

Higher VAT or sales taxes?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: D1gger
The letter you received is full of gross exaggerations and half truths. The health care system here is not perfect, but it is very good. My son has had some serious health challenges growing up and received terrific, timely care. I myself have been hospitalized twice in the last 5 years, and I have no complaints.

My Dad had a double bypass and valve replacement a few years ago, surgery was scheduled 3 days after his first appointment with the specialist, which was 4 days after his annual physical when our family doctor diagnosed a problem.

I can give you many more examples of people who received the care they needed, when they needed it, but there will always be the stories of the people who died that get sensationalized.

How many people die in the US without even seeing a doctor because they don't have health insurance?

My personal opinion is that we need more of a hybrid solution to health care. Full care for every citizen, but allow for more privatization of the system so if someone can afford to pay to have a problem fixed faster, let them do that through a private clinic.

Do you have magic beans that will grow new doctors and nurses and hospitals to service the "40 million uninsured" americans that will suddenly be insured?

All this universal healthcare shit does is make doctors and bureaucrats richer and create a shortage in healthcare by skyrocketing demand.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

Her job does have it, just for her though she would have to pay $150 a month, then it is a extra $100 per family member so it would be $450 a month if we all went on the plan when she brings home $100 a month, even if we just did her and the kids we couldnt afford it, and she must have it in order to put others on it. Once I can get on ssi she plans to keep working and then we will be using it, and her working will be paying for the kids insurance, but till that time, were still screwed if I cant get on SSI right away.

Ok... I can understand how that could not be affordable for you, but if she just covers herself and you, it would be 250/mo and it should cover most of the prescriptions' cost. You're kids still aren't covered but that detuction would still save you money, wouldn't it?

There are still plenty of union jobs that have wonderful benefits. My dad has the Cadillac package, it costs $97/mo and covers everyone in the family (luckily I'm still covered). While I believe it's a drain on the employer, the fact is those jobs are out there and can be had.

I wish it could be that simple. Even at that point, were still talking bills, feeding a family of 4, we already shop at save a lot and get only whats needed and we only spend 300 a month, and thats food stamps, so that will need to come out of her check, then $400 for bills gas, electricity, auto insurance, gas to get to work and where needed, and have something left over in case the kids may need something for school, and when it is all said and done, can afford to get my wife on it, and thats it,, MAYBE. And lets not forget, and I will have to look into it, my rate may be based on being healthy. I may be subject to existing conditions, and need to take a health exam, I know my last time I got work insurance they made me get a physical, so would need to see if that is a factor two. I never went that far yet, just because we cant afford where it is at now.

But my main point for sharing the information was to show that you can be told you have no insurance, including your kids here in America. Welfare is not the "answer" as some may think. You need to be put on the system to see its loopholes and bs you need to deal with to get on it, keep it, and for those who need it, get taken off it, as it is set up only to keep the ones who want to milk it on it. Not for really help for those in need, a front to take in taxes, and srew those who desperately need it and get denied it, unless they follow the rules which are to stay poor, dont better yourself, hardly work, and we will give you food stamps, money, and insurance. You try to better yourself, like get a full time job, and we cut you off everything, even though, on your full time job cant afford to get what we gave, forcing you to go back on the system with no other way out.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

Why are you blaming HMOs for high costs? They help reduce it by spreading risk. Blame the fucking doctor making $300k working 35 hours a week taking month vacation a year.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

Her job does have it, just for her though she would have to pay $150 a month, then it is a extra $100 per family member so it would be $450 a month if we all went on the plan when she brings home $100 a month, even if we just did her and the kids we couldnt afford it, and she must have it in order to put others on it. Once I can get on ssi she plans to keep working and then we will be using it, and her working will be paying for the kids insurance, but till that time, were still screwed if I cant get on SSI right away.

Ok... I can understand how that could not be affordable for you, but if she just covers herself and you, it would be 250/mo and it should cover most of the prescriptions' cost. You're kids still aren't covered but that detuction would still save you money, wouldn't it?

There are still plenty of union jobs that have wonderful benefits. My dad has the Cadillac package, it costs $97/mo and covers everyone in the family (luckily I'm still covered). While I believe it's a drain on the employer, the fact is those jobs are out there and can be had.

I wish it could be that simple. Even at that point, were still talking bills, feeding a family of 4, we already shop at save a lot and get only whats needed and we only spend 300 a month, and thats food stamps, so that will need to come out of her check, then $400 for bills gas, electricity, auto insurance, gas to get to work and where needed, and have something left over in case the kids may need something for school, and when it is all said and done, can afford to get my wife on it, and thats it,, MAYBE. And lets not forget, and I will have to look into it, my rate may be based on being healthy. I may be subject to existing conditions, and need to take a health exam, I know my last time I got work insurance they made me get a physical, so would need to see if that is a factor two. I never went that far yet, just because we cant afford where it is at now.

But my main point for sharing the information was to show that you can be told you have no insurance, including your kids here in America. Welfare is not the "answer" as some may think. You need to be put on the system to see its loopholes and bs you need to deal with to get on it, keep it, and for those who need it, get taken off it, as it is set up only to keep the ones who want to milk it on it. Not for really help for those in need, a front to take in taxes, and srew those who desperately need it and get denied it, unless they follow the rules which are to stay poor, dont better yourself, hardly work, and we will give you food stamps, money, and insurance. You try to better yourself, like get a full time job, and we cut you off everything, even though, on your full time job cant afford to get what we gave, forcing you to go back on the system with no other way out.

I'm confused as to where you stand then... Do you believe the US should go with a hilary-like plan for national health care, or you just believe the current system is fine, but welfare needs some revision?

 

[eakers]

I pay like 20% taxes plus $1.50 a month for health care.
I think you guys pay something similar for health care insurance except I will never be denied care I am needed.

eta: 20% taxes total, not just healthcare tax.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

All I know is I'd rather have my parents have healthcare than just die, especially after my dad spent his life working for American oil companies in other countries. The "if everyone has healthcare I will have to wait longer" argument does not make sense to me. How can people who go to church every week be so selfish and not realize it?


I also don't understand how people can ignore the pre-existing condition problem. You switch jobs, you lose coverage for your pre-existing condition for a year... Does it feel good knowing that other people don't have to wait in line because you aren't insured?

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

All I know is I'd rather have my parents have healthcare than just die, especially after my dad spent his life working for American oil companies in other countries. The "if everyone has healthcare I will have to wait longer" argument does not make sense to me. How can people who go to church every week be so selfish and not realize it?

No one is making that argument bud. If it's government run it will be slower, more expensive, and not as good as they are claiming. Government can and do fvck everything up, why would health insurance be any different?

 

[yllus]

Health care here is pretty good. Let me address some of the interesting points.

8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

Sort of. Money is allocated to hospitals by the government using an estimation of how many procedures will need to be done that year, instead of how many patients actually walk through the door. There's also the fact that the number of surgeons on staff relates to the set annual budget for the hospital - which is determined centrally, not by day-to-day demand.

9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

These are the wait times procedures in the province of Ontario. Try using the postal code M4X 1W7, which is downtown Toronto. Times haven't gone down significantly in the years we've had this information available.

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

And

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

This is my number one quibble with our system. I have friends whose situations are on the fence for requiring/not requiring surgery. Their doctors will not authorize them to go ahead with the procedures they need. They have no recourse in the private sector, as private practice of medicine in Canada is illegal.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.

There's a few select cities in Canada that do this, and the cost of those programs isn't very high. This is misdirection and completely irrelevant.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

Why are you blaming HMOs for high costs? They help reduce it by spreading risk. Blame the fucking doctor making $300k working 35 hours a week taking month vacation a year.

Its the AMA. They restrict supply by limiting how many people can become doctors..

 

[pstylesss]

What are MD's salaries there like? Government regulated? Could that be why there aren't enough doctors?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

This is fairly inaccurate. According to the World Health Organization, Canada's health system has been ranked 30th, and the U.S. was ranked 37th. We're not all that much better.

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What are MD's salaries there like? Government regulated? Could that be why there aren't enough doctors?

Yes, government regulated:

In 1970, when public insurance was first fully applied to physician services in Canada, we ranked in the top four among developed countries in the number of physicians per capita. We now rank a lowly 24th. Each year, between 1993 and 2004, the equivalent of two full medical schools of graduates has left Canada.

Fifty percent of all newly trained orthopedic surgeons and neurosurgeons leave within five years of graduation. They leave because we can't offer them the resources they need to work. Doctors graduate with average debts of $160,000, and are forced to factor in their debt as they make career choices. In order to reach the OECD average of three physicians per 1,000 people, we would need 26,000 new physicians in the system right now.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is what happens when government interferes with a free market: shortages.

Just ask former Soviet Union citizens.

And when we let for-profit HMOs run the show we wind up with incomplete coverage and care that is too expensive to maintain.

Canada has one of the world's best health systems by all measurements and I cannot believe that people here are so paranoid from the Cold War that they think anything that isn't free market capitalism is Communism. Grow up.

All I know is I'd rather have my parents have healthcare than just die, especially after my dad spent his life working for American oil companies in other countries. The "if everyone has healthcare I will have to wait longer" argument does not make sense to me. How can people who go to church every week be so selfish and not realize it?

No one is making that argument bud. If it's government run it will be slower, more expensive, and not as good as they are claiming. Government can and do fvck everything up, why would health insurance be any different?

I have seen people make that argument. To them, more available healthcare is a bad thing because it makes it harder for money to get you better service.

What makes you think the Government fvcks everything up? What is fvcking things up is the massive conflicts of interest that exist in healthcare.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Why doesn't your wife look for a job that includes family medical? They aren't that hard to find.

Her job does have it, just for her though she would have to pay $150 a month, then it is a extra $100 per family member so it would be $450 a month if we all went on the plan when she brings home $100 a month, even if we just did her and the kids we couldnt afford it, and she must have it in order to put others on it. Once I can get on ssi she plans to keep working and then we will be using it, and her working will be paying for the kids insurance, but till that time, were still screwed if I cant get on SSI right away.

Ok... I can understand how that could not be affordable for you, but if she just covers herself and you, it would be 250/mo and it should cover most of the prescriptions' cost. You're kids still aren't covered but that detuction would still save you money, wouldn't it?

There are still plenty of union jobs that have wonderful benefits. My dad has the Cadillac package, it costs $97/mo and covers everyone in the family (luckily I'm still covered). While I believe it's a drain on the employer, the fact is those jobs are out there and can be had.

I wish it could be that simple. Even at that point, were still talking bills, feeding a family of 4, we already shop at save a lot and get only whats needed and we only spend 300 a month, and thats food stamps, so that will need to come out of her check, then $400 for bills gas, electricity, auto insurance, gas to get to work and where needed, and have something left over in case the kids may need something for school, and when it is all said and done, can afford to get my wife on it, and thats it,, MAYBE. And lets not forget, and I will have to look into it, my rate may be based on being healthy. I may be subject to existing conditions, and need to take a health exam, I know my last time I got work insurance they made me get a physical, so would need to see if that is a factor two. I never went that far yet, just because we cant afford where it is at now.

But my main point for sharing the information was to show that you can be told you have no insurance, including your kids here in America. Welfare is not the "answer" as some may think. You need to be put on the system to see its loopholes and bs you need to deal with to get on it, keep it, and for those who need it, get taken off it, as it is set up only to keep the ones who want to milk it on it. Not for really help for those in need, a front to take in taxes, and srew those who desperately need it and get denied it, unless they follow the rules which are to stay poor, dont better yourself, hardly work, and we will give you food stamps, money, and insurance. You try to better yourself, like get a full time job, and we cut you off everything, even though, on your full time job cant afford to get what we gave, forcing you to go back on the system with no other way out.

I'm confused as to where you stand then... Do you believe the US should go with a hilary-like plan for national health care, or you just believe the current system is fine, but welfare needs some revision?

I stand for neither of them, because they are both fronts for taking money in and not being used for what it should be used for. Sure at first it may be, but then the ones running it will become very money grubbing, see all thats coming in, want more, others will suffer, and then it will end up like what I am on where they encourage you to be on it, and punish you if you try to leave. These systems have one goal in mind, its not for the people, its to make someone, or many2 people rich on the other end, be it one person, a group, or the government, by the forms of taking in taxes and making people pay into it. Your paying, there should never be a wait, but there is, and your ok with it. I am screwed unless my wife get fired and becomes a lazy slob as everyone percevies people on welfair is to be, just so we can keep it. I cant fight the system, I dont what I can, and even with our government saying no child will be left behind, my 2 are, and I am sure there are many in my same situation that would refuse to lessen themselves to go back on it to keep it, or have done it, which is wrong. But the system rewards those to do so, because if less is on the system, that means the public would be asking where is the rest of the money going since there should be extra, and they cannot have that. Always need to show the people there is too many on it so they can tell you lies, and justify why they have to raise taxes on your end to keep the system in play.

So no matter what goes down, to me, and IMO, it wont matter, its not in the peoples best interest, but for someone to make money and that is it.

Insurance is losing money, not losing money as a whole, but the higher ups want more and wont take a pay cut, so they brain wash everyone into thinking its this class of people causing it, get a bunch on one side to go with it, and then raise it all up the asses of everyone, making them mad not at the health care provider but because someone is fat or sice on their system. Do you really think if you lost the sick and fat people off your health care system your rates will go down? NO, they wont, once they have their hands in the cookie jack, they only want to keep the cookies in there or want more of the,/ Hence why you will never win the war on terror, or drugs, for if you did, taxes will not go down, and too many people will lose their jobs.

NOTHING, I REPEAT, NOTHING is set in place when ever money is involved strictly just for the good of someone or a group. There is always someone thinking on the one end who they can play with to make money off of, who they can blame to raise the bills, so not to focus the eye on them, and if it should ever decrease what they are fighting for, you can bet, you wont see lower bills, or taxes, but something else will happen to make sure it stays in play or increases. Unfortunately most people can never look outside the box, but rather what is shoved at them to be the truth and the reason for something. I happen to look outside the box, and if welfare cared, they would kick the lazy fucks off welfare happy doing 20 hours a week, base the system on what they are paid, not how much they work, for where I live there are no high paying jobs for unskilled people, and those who refuse to work, gets kicked the fuck off, not kept on. But you do that, too many people will be working for a living, too much excess in unemployment tax would be collected, and welfare would have too less of people on the system having to cut staff, and also have a excess of revenue, and god for bid that should happen and have to give money back to anyones pockets to spend or see were doing good as a economy and a whole.

From what I am reading Canada has a pretty good system, a hell of a lot better then what I have, but because people are willing to give in and say, fuck it, let them go and pay if they can afford to, they are going to end up as we are with our freedoms soon. Give them and inch, they take a mile. Your ok with the line, and the fact those can afford to jump, and let them know you are ok with it, then they wont budge, fact of the matter is, your paying for it, and paying alot for it some of you. There should not be a line, the doctors are all state paid, they need to hire more doctors if there is a wait, I am sure they take in enough of your taxes to do so, but as I said, someone ids making out and the money is not all being used for what is should be. And since your giving them a inch, and being ok with it, they are dipping deeper, and deeper into that health care cookie jar. Soon it may get as bad as the letter says for all of you.

But thats me, my opinion, and like ass holes, everyone has one. Its not going to matter which you get, or who runs for office anymore, were all going to be fucked in the end anyway.

I saw this and it speaks the truth:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin , Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
upon his tomb,
" Taxes drove me to my doom..."

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
P roperty Tax
Real Esta te Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle income group in the world, and Mom stayed home to
raise the kids.

What the hell happened?
Can you spell "politicians!"

And, on top of that, we still have to "press 1" for English!!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Funboy42-You need to stop opening those spam e-mail messages.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

What makes you think the Government fvcks everything up?

because everything the government does gets fucked up and/or costs 4x what it should

 

[sandorski]

E-mail eh? BS Meter goes nuts.

There are actually 10 Healthcare Systems(possibly more for the Territories) in Canada. Each Province, 10 total, run their own Healthcare System. The Federal Government merely mandates certain regulations that all Provinces must adhere to. This results in various differences between the Strengths and Weaknesses depending on which Province you are in.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

What makes you think the Government fvcks everything up?

because everything the government does gets fucked up and/or costs 4x what it should

Hmm... social security, our welfare system, medicare comes to mind - which is already going broke.

Would someone like to add to my short list?

 

[nakedfrog]

It's really kind of shocking to me that people here still post email forwards without checking Snopes first

Additionally, even down here in the USA, you can sometimes wait hours in the emergency room, even with a bleeding wound or broken arm. Other days at the exact same ER, you could be seen within minutes.