Canada refuses to extradict al Qaida suspect to US

RightIsWrong

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The decision was based on the US's repeated violation of human rights in connection with his and his family's arrests and detainment in Pakistan and in Gitmo.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s-grounds-for-denying-extradition-court-rules

A Toronto judge was justified in freeing an alleged Al Qaeda collaborator given the gravity of human rights abuses committed by the United States in connection with his capture in Pakistan, the Ontario Court of Appeal has ruled.

Judges are not expected to remain passive when countries such as the U.S. violate the rights of alleged terrorists, the court said Friday.

“We must adhere to our democratic and legal values, even if that adherence serves in the short term to benefit those who oppose and seek to destroy those values,” said Justice Robert Sharpe, writing on behalf of Justices John Laskin and Eleanore Cronk.

“For if we do not, in the longer term, the enemies of democracy and the rule of law will have succeeded,” he said. “They will have demonstrated that our faith in our legal order is unable to withstand their threats.”

The U.S. paid Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) $500,000 to abduct Khadr, a Canadian citizen, in Islamabad on Oct. 15, 2004.

He was denied access to courts and consular officials, beaten until he cooperated with the ISI and detained at a secret location for 14 months.

U.S. authorities discouraged a request from a Canadian Security Intelligence Service officer in Pakistan that Khadr be granted access to the Canadian consulate.

U.S. officials wanted Pakistan to allow for his rendition to the U.S., but it refused to do so without Canada’s consent, which was denied.

Khadr was flown to Toronto on Dec. 2, 2005 and charges were filed in Boston 12 days later.

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ending Khadr to Boston would amount to sanctioning human rights abuses, the court said.

“No doubt some will say that those who seek to destroy the rule of law should not be allowed its benefits,” said Sharpe. “I do not share that view.”

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While the federal government argued Speyer had no right to pass judgment on the legality of Khadr’s treatment in Pakistan, the court suggested that was beyond debate.

“It surely can come as no surprise that in a country like Pakistan with a constitution guaranteeing fundamental rights and freedoms, it is illegal to accept a bounty or bribe from a foreign government to abduct a foreign national from the street, to beat that individual until he agrees to cooperate, to deny him consular access, to hold him in a secret detention centre for eight months while his utility as an intelligence source is exhausted, and then to continue to hold him in secret detention for six more months at the request of a foreign power.”

Looks like we have become what we fear and other countries are pulling back the veil of secrecy that is the US foreign policy backroom deals.
 

zinfamous

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Don't those people realize we gave them democracy? It's ours bitch! OURS is the ONLY RIGHT WAY!


anyway, I don't really care about this. Good on Canada. Essentially forcing the guy to live there is apt punishment.

:sneaky:
 

ShawnD1

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It's actually pretty funny how many countries see the US as some kind of third world shit hole.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1999-08-25/news/9908250143_1_western-norway-extradite-hashish
Norway Won't Send Man To `Inhumane' U.s. Prison
OTHER NEWS TO NOTE - The World
August 25, 1999

OSLO, Norway - A Norwegian court has refused to extradite a suspected drug smuggler to the United States, saying he might suffer inhumane conditions in an American jail. The suspect, Henry Hendriksen, 49, is an American. In 1997, he was found in Stavanger, a port in western Norway, and arrested on charges of smuggling about 50 tons of hashish into the United States. The charges were filed in Vermont. In a unanimous decision, the Norwegian Supreme Court questioned whether U.S. jails meet the humanitarian standard required for extradition under Norwegian law, sending the case back to a district court, which refused to extradite.
:D

On the international stage, US prisons are seen as being on the same level as Russian gulags.
 

RightIsWrong

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Fuck em. This is a job for CIA. Snatch him boys.

Yeah, why should we respect another sovereign country's legal decisions?

This is 'Merica where we only deal in our own brand of justice and the other countries can just buy our products and think that we actually live by the bullshit slogans and that goddamned piece of paper called the Constitution...not pull back the curtain on the wizard!
 

Zebo

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Yeah, why should we respect another sovereign country's legal decisions?

This is 'Merica where we only deal in our own brand of justice and the other countries can just buy our products and think that we actually live by the bullshit slogans and that goddamned piece of paper called the Constitution...not pull back the curtain on the wizard!

I didnt read anything in constitution about not going to other countries to get terrorists and bring them to justice. If anything it bolsters law and order. Ours, fuck everyone else we don't live under their laws.
 

Schadenfroh

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he might suffer inhumane conditions in an American jail
LOL, with the exception of secret CIA holding facilities abroad, American jails are pretty nice compared to being "free" in many developing countries. How nice are max security prisons in Norway?

Yeah, why should we respect another sovereign country's legal decisions?
Sure, just do not expect us to extradite anyone to Canada. Have to return the favor somehow.
 

Jaskalas

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Interesting legal tug of war, but he belongs to Canada. If he enters the US, then he belongs to us. Deal?

I do not condone anyone capturing him to bring him here, btw. A suspected terrorist in another country is not in America. A suspect NOT in America is not threat to America.

We obviously do not have / did not share enough information to convince anyone else to keep this man jailed.

Point being, I have some concerns, but I'm fine with this.
 

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ShawnD1

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good. let them pay for his jail time.

:D

I don't get it either. This man is a rapist pedophile murderer? We better keep him here, but at the same time let's NOT throw him in jail since he didn't brake any of the laws here. We need to make sure dangerous criminals are on the streets and in your neighborhood where they belong (wtf!?!?!?>)
 

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I thought Obama stopped doing all of that stuff?
He claimed to have cleaned it up, but one man alone cannot clean up the CIA & FBI. These type of jobs cannot be refilled every time the presidency changes hands.

As to this case, if Canada wants him, and trusts him to live there, let them have him.

But I bet your ass that the CIA will nab him.
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He claimed to have cleaned it up, but one man alone cannot clean up the CIA & FBI. These type of jobs cannot be refilled every time the presidency changes hands.

As to this case, if Canada wants him, and trusts him to live there, let them have him.

But I bet your ass that the CIA will nab him.
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We're not going to screw up relations with Canada for this twit. If they want him then be my guest.
 

Throckmorton

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It's actually pretty funny how many countries see the US as some kind of third world shit hole.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1999-08-25/news/9908250143_1_western-norway-extradite-hashish

:D

On the international stage, US prisons are seen as being on the same level as Russian gulags.

American prisons are dismal.

Rape, and beatings are allowed to occur.

Think about it... You can get AIDS in prison by being raped by an inmate. Is that possible anywhere else in the developed world?
 

davmat787

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American prisons are dismal.

Rape, and beatings are allowed to occur.

Think about it... You can get AIDS in prison by being raped by an inmate. Is that possible anywhere else in the developed world?

Apparently so.

Australia, like the United States, Canada, and the UK, is confronted with a growing prison rape problem, and the primary objective right now is generating more awareness.

http://www.insideprison.com/prison-rape.asp
 

irishScott

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So long as he stays in Canada I couldn't care less. Canadian judge wants to endanger his county to make a political stunt, not my problem. I seriously doubt we'll snag him forcefully, but there's probably a team of some clandestine organization or other keeping an eye on him.
 

PokerGuy

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If they want a violent criminal roaming freely in their country, have at it. If he sets foot on US soil, bullet to the head and dump him in the ocean.
 

wuliheron

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If they want a violent criminal roaming freely in their country, have at it. If he sets foot on US soil, bullet to the head and dump him in the ocean.


For all I know the guy's considered pretty worthless to everyone and they asked the judge to let him go so they could put monitoring devices everywhere but his bung hole.
 

ShawnD1

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Apparently so.

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Australia, like the United States, Canada, and the UK, is confronted with a growing prison rape problem, and the primary objective right now is generating more awareness.

wtf??
How about making your primary objective to stop prison violence. Seriously, wtf is up with people? Instead of fixing it, let's make sure everyone knows about it then we fix it and everyone knows we did something :cool:
 

NoStateofMind

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This is a good thing. Hopefully, however unlikely, we will start to look inwardly at our actions and the consequences of them. When nations such as Canada teach the U.S. what rule of law really means we must stop and reflect on how this happened and what ways we can rectify it. We used to respect the rule of law and individual liberty. We were also a beacon of freedom by way of example, not the barrel of a gun. How far we have fallen saddens my soul.