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Canada has now legalized same-sex marriages

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Originally posted by: DennyD
No invisible magic man told me anything... biology did. Is it a fluke that the male and female organs are designed to reproduce? That's what they're for... Not for two guys to play Alien Abduction and get anal probed with the other's penis... hehehehe...

I love opening cans of worms...

And damn your leprechauns... my bigfoots have been at war with them for centuries... (or would that be bigfeet? bigfi? Oh hell... sasquatch!)

Oh, so you believe marriage is strictly about having children, and not love. How shall we punish childless couples?
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: meltdown75
ah geez. here we go.

/cracks beer, unfolds lawn chair

Yeah, this is headed for an all out P&N flamewar any minute now.

Should be enough flames for some BBQ though. 😀

guess we might as well start with this nice juicy SAUSAGE i brought... :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: DennyD
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

You sound like a Bible-thumping zealot who wants to legislate your version of morality so all citizens must abide by it.

Being a Christian is not the same as a bible thumper. But look at what you say to me... they want to force thier version of morality on us, so your point has no validity.

no they are not forcing their morality on you, you are the one forcing your moralty on them. if you dont understand that, then i suggest you sit down and think about it for a while.
 
Like I said above, I feel that the bill that was just passed is a good thing, but I don't know if I agree or disagree with changing the actual definition of "marriage".

Do you feel that definitions should change over time to reflect changes in society? Or do you feel that society should adopt a new definition so as to differientiate the two forms of marriage?

 
Cool. Gratz for Canada. Too bad most US political people are too insecure with their own sexuality that this isn't happening here as well...
 
Originally posted by: DennyD
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

You sound like a Bible-thumping zealot who wants to legislate your version of morality so all citizens must abide by it.

Being a Christian is not the same as a bible thumper. But look at what you say to me... they want to force thier version of morality on us, so your point has no validity.

And like he said, you want to force your version of morality on them. They win. You lose.
 
Originally posted by: DennyD
No invisible magic man told me anything... biology did. Is it a fluke that the male and female organs are designed to reproduce? That's what they're for... Not for two guys to play Alien Abduction and get anal probed with the other's penis... hehehehe...

I love opening cans of worms...

And damn your leprechauns... my bigfoots have been at war with them for centuries... (or would that be bigfeet? bigfi? Oh hell... sasquatch!)

So... Any form of sexuality where reproduction is NOT the goal is wrong? What's your opinion on birth control? Oral sex?
 
0h n0es! Now the godless sodomite conspiracy has reached their sinister objective, the same sort of stable, normal life as everybody else. Whatever is next? Will I have to hear them droning about what to do for their anniversaries, and how they can't get their house in the suburbs looking quite right? /sarcasm
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
Do you feel that definitions should change over time to reflect changes in society? Or do you feel that society should adopt a new definition so as to differientiate the two forms of marriage?

Not a bad idea...
Initially, marriage was in a church to confirm your love in a religious ceremony. Then the government, in thier permanently devine wisdom, decides to intervene and change the rules on everything.

Perhaps if there was clean set definitions (for lack of a better word) it would ease tensions?
 
This is more of a human rights issue than anything else.
Progressive societies seek to establish fairness to all members within their borders, and gay rights fall within that sphere. There is nothing that can be done to stop this progress, it is inherint within our Democratic, free societies.

While I don't neccessarily think that gays need to be given the right to get married (i think they should have power of attorney and act as partners when it comes to taxes and health care), I think that we must take steps to make sure that everyone has the same basic human rights regardless of sexual orientation or religious preference.

That being said, we all have to be wary of special interest groups that seek to push their agenda to the mainstraim. Proponents of these amendmendts have far loftier goals in that they want to make the lifestyle 100% acceptable in our culture. Popular culture seems to be embracing this, heck you can't watch Showtime for more than 2 hours without seeing an overtly homosexual show or scene. Again, while I feel they have the right to be open about their sexuality, I don't think it needs to be flaunted. I'm at the age where I'm ready to have kids and I don't think exposure to an overtly gay lifestyle is beneficial to our society (men making out, shows on tv with men sleeping in bed together, ect..)
 
Originally posted by: DennyD
Yep... pretty sad state of affairs. Soon we will also have the right to marry more than one partner... if we love them, why not? Morals have gone right out the window now, why stop there? Hell, lets give all those sick animal lovers rights too. I know a horse can't talk, but if he has that twinkle in his eye, who's to say it's not love and that they can't get married? Sound insane and stupid, eh? Well so does a man getting married to another man. It's gonna open the doors for so many other forms of legalized perversion.

Pretty soon we're going to be legalizing weed and cocaine because it should be our right to use drugs.

The intolerance is strong in this one....

Also... just out of curiousity ... what gives you the right to judge the "morality" of actions of others?

--Mark
 
Originally posted by: DennyD
Originally posted by: Stefan
Do you feel that definitions should change over time to reflect changes in society? Or do you feel that society should adopt a new definition so as to differientiate the two forms of marriage?

Not a bad idea...
Initially, marriage was in a church to confirm your love in a religious ceremony. Then the government, in thier permanently devine wisdom, decides to intervene and change the rules on everything.

Perhaps if there was clean set definitions (for lack of a better word) it would ease tensions?

Um, no.

According to this link:

The notion of marriage as a sacrament and not just a contract can be traced St. Paul who compared the relationship of a husband and wife to that of Christ and his church (Eph. v, 23-32).

St. Paul was one fvcked up guy, who really, really needed to get laid more. The world would have been so much better a place...
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
This is more of a human rights issue than anything else.
Progressive societies seek to establish fairness to all members within their borders, and gay rights fall within that sphere. There is nothing that can be done to stop this progress, it is inherint within our Democratic, free societies.

While I don't neccessarily think that gays need to be given the right to get married (i think they should have power of attorney and act as partners when it comes to taxes and health care), I think that we must take steps to make sure that everyone has the same basic human rights regardless of sexual orientation or religious preference.

That being said, we all have to be wary of special interest groups that seek to push their agenda to the mainstraim. Proponents of these amendmendts have far loftier goals in that they want to make the lifestyle 100% acceptable in our culture. Popular culture seems to be embracing this, heck you can't watch Showtime for more than 2 hours without seeing an overtly homosexual show or scene. Again, while I feel they have the right to be open about their sexuality, I don't think it needs to be flaunted. I'm at the age where I'm ready to have kids and I don't think exposure to an overtly gay lifestyle is beneficial to our society (men making out, shows on tv with men sleeping in bed together, ect..)

I see no good reason to not allow them full-blown marriage.
I don't feel the increase of homosexual awareness is detrimental to society in any way. Once it's been accepted and has been that way for a few generations, it won't be a big deal to anyone except religious fundamentalists.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The notion of marriage as a sacrament and not just a contract can be traced St. Paul who compared the relationship of a husband and wife to that of Christ and his church (Eph. v, 23-32).

St. Paul was one fvcked up guy, who really, really needed to get laid more. The world would have been so much better a place...

How is that view wrong or fscked up? In a marriage you dedicate your life to the person you are marrying.

Jesus dedicated his life God.

Priests and Nuns dedicate their life to God as well, which is why that can't have sex or marry.

 
Here's the ideal resolution:

1. one half of Quebec's population want to separate from Canada
2. one half of Canadians want gay marriages

Move the Quebec Canadians out, move the pro-gay wedding people into Quebec then let them seperate.

Voila Gaybec! Kind of hard to imagine a bunch of rude french speaking gay guys... hehehehe
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
This is more of a human rights issue than anything else.
Progressive societies seek to establish fairness to all members within their borders, and gay rights fall within that sphere. There is nothing that can be done to stop this progress, it is inherint within our Democratic, free societies.

While I don't neccessarily think that gays need to be given the right to get married (i think they should have power of attorney and act as partners when it comes to taxes and health care), I think that we must take steps to make sure that everyone has the same basic human rights regardless of sexual orientation or religious preference.

That being said, we all have to be wary of special interest groups that seek to push their agenda to the mainstraim. Proponents of these amendmendts have far loftier goals in that they want to make the lifestyle 100% acceptable in our culture. Popular culture seems to be embracing this, heck you can't watch Showtime for more than 2 hours without seeing an overtly homosexual show or scene. Again, while I feel they have the right to be open about their sexuality, I don't think it needs to be flaunted. I'm at the age where I'm ready to have kids and I don't think exposure to an overtly gay lifestyle is beneficial to our society (men making out, shows on tv with men sleeping in bed together, ect..)

I see no good reason to not allow them full-blown marriage.
I don't feel the increase of homosexual awareness is detrimental to society in any way. Once it's been accepted and has been that way for a few generations, it won't be a big deal to anyone except religious fundamentalists.

Well, I don't feel that overtly sexual content (either homo or hetero) should be shown during peak hours when children can be exposed. (this is a totally separate issue though - I long for the day that content providers of all kinds are free to play everything they want, having the media encoded with a rating, and have the media players able to display only what is set to be "acceptable" by the owner of the device - I want 100% vchip penetration 🙂)

 
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The notion of marriage as a sacrament and not just a contract can be traced St. Paul who compared the relationship of a husband and wife to that of Christ and his church (Eph. v, 23-32).

St. Paul was one fvcked up guy, who really, really needed to get laid more. The world would have been so much better a place...

How is that view wrong or fscked up? In a marriage you dedicate your life to the person you are marrying.

Jesus dedicated his life God.

Priests and Nuns dedicate their life to God as well, which is why that can't have sex or marry.

Because he took a previously non-religious contract and subverted it to an overtly religious one for the church's own purposes, rather than coming up with a new term for it (much like you suggest should be done for gays).
And if, in a marriage, you're dedicated your life to the person you're marrying, why shouldn't gays be allowed to do it?
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The notion of marriage as a sacrament and not just a contract can be traced St. Paul who compared the relationship of a husband and wife to that of Christ and his church (Eph. v, 23-32).

St. Paul was one fvcked up guy, who really, really needed to get laid more. The world would have been so much better a place...

How is that view wrong or fscked up? In a marriage you dedicate your life to the person you are marrying.

Jesus dedicated his life God.

Priests and Nuns dedicate their life to God as well, which is why that can't have sex or marry.

Because he took a previously non-religious contract and subverted it to an overtly religious one for the church's own purposes, rather than coming up with a new term for it (much like you suggest should be done for gays).
And if, in a marriage, you're dedicated your life to the person you're marrying, why shouldn't gays be allowed to do it?

I see no reason why they shouldn't marry.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The notion of marriage as a sacrament and not just a contract can be traced St. Paul who compared the relationship of a husband and wife to that of Christ and his church (Eph. v, 23-32).

St. Paul was one fvcked up guy, who really, really needed to get laid more. The world would have been so much better a place...

How is that view wrong or fscked up? In a marriage you dedicate your life to the person you are marrying.

Jesus dedicated his life God.

Priests and Nuns dedicate their life to God as well, which is why that can't have sex or marry.

The concept of marriage existed just fine before the Church, so any meaning that the Church ascribes to marriage is artificial.

Interesting take on Christian sexual morality: here

St. Paul knew that celibacy means suppressing human nature but human nature cannot be suppressed. He knew that if marriage is totally forbidden, then people will still indulge in sexual gratification unlawfully. So he says, "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife and every woman have her own husband."(Corinthians I, 7:2) Then as if to prevent the people from forgetting the holiness of celibacy, he continues: "I say this by way of concession, not of command. For I wish that all men were as I myself am...Therefore, I say to the unmarried and the widows that it is good for them to remain singles as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." (Corinthians I, 7:6-9) So marriage, when compared to fornication, is the lesser of two evils!

(bold emphasis mine)

Like I said, Paul was one seriously fvcked up and repressed guy.
 
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