Can You Comprehend the Holocaust?

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the Jewish influence in the US media also pounds the point home more than you'd hear about it otherwise. More people were killed by Stalin but you don't see many ex-Soviets running US networks and pushing for shows that constantly remind you of that fact. The people telling the story will tend to tell you their side of the story.

Along the same lines, many Native Americans were wiped out by the colonists that founded this country, but you don't hear about that much. You only hear about Thanksgiving where everything was fine and dandy. The fact that not many Native Americans have influence in the US media prevents their story from being told the way they want you to hear it.

The media is your view to our history and the outside world. Those that control the media you watch will determine what you can see. I don't know about you, but when I see something on US TV about the middle east, I see people in headscarves yelling and running around in the dirt.

You rarely see images of happiness and prosperity like this:

this

I think what he's trying to say is, the holocaust is always "in your face" here in the USA; If Hollywood's not reminding you about it, the media will. Try living elsewhere (outside USA) and they won't put as much "weight" about what happened as they do here in the US. That also doesn't mean that it's regarded as an insignificant event elsewhere.

And you would be an idiot too then....

But hey I understand, I'm tired of hearing about Rape, Murder, the Tsunami, war, terrorism... and above all 9/11.... sheesh it happened get over it... I don't feel like hearing about it anymore... I wish those people who control the media would just shut up already.

So annoying... sheesh.

Stop being such a hypersensitive pansy. That's not what those two are talking about AT ALL. No one is saying they're "tired of hearing about it" or they should "get over it". If you have any reading comprehension skills, you might want to use them.

Join the idiot club... if you don't see whats wrong with his response then I just don't know what to say.

Why do people find it necessary to express Jewish control of the media everytime anything having anything to do with the Holocaust comes up. It happend it sucked... either make a comment reflecting that or stfu. It is not neccessary EVERY time someone says something about the holocaust to say "well but hey guys other bad stuff happened too".

I'm so sick of that nonsense... and you will consistently get a STFU from me each and every time.

 

[Jeff7181]

What I find hard to believe is how many people thought that was a good idea to kill off the Jews. I mean, they're people... living, breathing people with families and lives... well, they were anyway.

 

[RaDragon]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
What I find hard to believe is how many people thought that was a good idea to kill off the Jews. I mean, they're people... living, breathing people with families and lives... well, they were anyway.

Don't get me started with the evils of mankind >.<

One (I hope) has to learn from history and hope to make the world a better place... Sounds cheesy, but I really want world peace!

 

[Stark]

Stalin's purges had an estimated victim toll of around 1,400,000. that's not quite the nazi holocaust.
the Native American "genocide" wasn't 50 years ago.

and interstingly, this thread wasn't inspired by anything in the US media (it was a college history class) and the only links discsussed are from the UK

so much for the Jewish American media mind control :roll:

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Join the idiot club... if you don't see whats wrong with his response then I just don't know what to say.

Why do people find it necessary to express Jewish control of the media everytime anything having anything to do with the Holocaust comes up. It happend it sucked... either make a comment reflecting that or stfu. It is not neccessary EVERY time someone says something about the holocaust to say "well but hey guys other bad stuff happened too".

I'm so sick of that nonsense... and you will consistently get a STFU from me each and every time.

So you're a crybaby that's sick of something. That's fine.

All I'm saying is that there was nothing derogatory said about Jews in the posts. You just pulled that out of thin air.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Doboji
Join the idiot club... if you don't see whats wrong with his response then I just don't know what to say.

Why do people find it necessary to express Jewish control of the media everytime anything having anything to do with the Holocaust comes up. It happend it sucked... either make a comment reflecting that or stfu. It is not neccessary EVERY time someone says something about the holocaust to say "well but hey guys other bad stuff happened too".

I'm so sick of that nonsense... and you will consistently get a STFU from me each and every time.

So you're a crybaby that's sick of something. That's fine.

All I'm saying is that there was nothing derogatory said about Jews in the posts. You just pulled that out of thin air.

Well I made my point.... and I've stated my opinion. Take it as you choose.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
What I find hard to believe is how many people thought that was a good idea to kill off the Jews. I mean, they're people... living, breathing people with families and lives... well, they were anyway.

Don't get me started with the evils of mankind >.<

One (I hope) has to learn from history and hope to make the world a better place... Sounds cheesy, but I really want world peace!

Lots of people do, but there are certain groups of people who don't seem to be able to think rationally and will always be looking for a reason to justify killing off another group of people they don't like or agree with. I don't think there will ever be world peace. There may eventually be the illusion of peace with a world government that forces peace, but there will always be rebels who refuse to go along with the masses.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Doboji

"Jewish influence in the media" WTF are you talking about?... Asshat moron.

Apparently you must have missed the last 75 years of the US media. It's no conspiracy.

And if you don't like someone's point, you're supposed to refute their point. You're not supposed to personally attack them like you just did.

Please link us to non white supremacist, legitimate sites that can convincingly prove that Jews control the media.

And this thread isn't about media control or why the holocaust is discussed more than other genocide?s. As far as I'm concerned you have your own agenda, which is to threadcrap and to rant about something that obviously bothers you. The OP asked a question and your response has absolutely nothing to do with the question.

 

[vlk]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the Jewish influence in the US media also pounds the point home more than you'd hear about it otherwise. More people were killed by Stalin but you don't see many ex-Soviets running US networks and pushing for shows that constantly remind you of that fact. The people telling the story will tend to tell you their side of the story.

Along the same lines, many Native Americans were wiped out by the colonists that founded this country, but you don't hear about that much. You only hear about Thanksgiving where everything was fine and dandy. The fact that not many Native Americans have influence in the US media prevents their story from being told the way they want you to hear it.

The media is your view to our history and the outside world. Those that control the media you watch will determine what you can see. I don't know about you, but when I see something on US TV about the middle east, I see people in headscarves yelling and running around in the dirt.

You rarely see images of happiness and prosperity like this:

this

I think what he's trying to say is, the holocaust is always "in your face" here in the USA; If Hollywood's not reminding you about it, the media will. Try living elsewhere (outside USA) and they won't put as much "weight" about what happened as they do here in the US. That also doesn't mean that it's regarded as an insignificant event elsewhere.

And you would be an idiot too then....

But hey I understand, I'm tired of hearing about Rape, Murder, the Tsunami, war, terrorism... and above all 9/11.... sheesh it happened get over it... I don't feel like hearing about it anymore... I wish those people who control the media would just shut up already.

So annoying... sheesh.

Your sarcasm is out of place, since you could not even comprehend fully the point he was making.

Media, controlled by Jews is telling the story from their perspective. You don't know much about other peoples that Hitler thought should have same destiny as Jews and you don't hear Jewish media telling their stories now, do you?

That was the point. You missed it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Stark
Stalin's purges had an estimated victim toll of around 1,400,000. that's not quite the nazi holocaust.

You need to go back to school.

Stalin's purges had a victim toll of around 20 million. The figure of 1,400,000 is roughly the number people executed for political offenses. The vast majority of the people killed were purposely starved to death or sent to labor camps in Siberia where they never returned alive.

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[piroroadkill]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Can I comprehend WHY it was done? I don't think anyone really can. Or what exactly are you asking?

Hitler wanted to create the perfect race, and to him, Jews had no place.

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Stark
Stalin's purges had an estimated victim toll of around 1,400,000. that's not quite the nazi holocaust.

You need to go back to school.

Stalin's purges had a victim toll of around 20 million. The figure of 1,400,000 is roughly the number people executed for political offenses. The vast majority of the people killed were purposely starved to death or sent to labor camps in Siberia where they never returned alive.

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Exactly the misinformation I was going to point out. This guy is so wrong it's hilarious.

Here is some more for Stark to chew on:


"Death toll
About one million people were shot during the periods 1935-38, 1942 and 1945-50 and millions of people were transported to Gulag labour camps. In Georgia about 80,000 people were shot during 1921, 1923-24, 1935-38, 1942 and 1945-50, and more than 100,000 people were transported to Gulag camps.

On March 5, 1940, Stalin himself and other Soviet leaders signed the order to execute 25,700 Polish intelligentsia including 14,700 Polish POWs. It became known as Katyn massacre. Some other infamous massacres: massacre of prisoners 30,000-40,000 people.

It is generally agreed by historians that if famines, prison and labour camp mortality, and state terrorism (deportations and political purges) are taken into account, Stalin and his colleagues were directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions. How many millions died under Stalin is greatly disputed. Although no official figures have been released by the Soviet or Russian governments, most estimates put the figure between 8 and 20 million. Comparison of the 1926-37 census results suggests 5-10 million deaths in excess of what would be normal in the period, mostly through famine in 1931-34. The 1926 census shows the population of the Soviet Union at 147 million in 1937 another census found a population of between 162 and 163 million. This was 14 million less than the projected population value and was suppressed as a "wrecker's census" with the census takers severely punished. A census was taken again in 1939, however its published figure of 170 million has been generally attributed directly to the decision of Stalin4 (see also Demographics of the Soviet Union). Note that the figure of 14 million does not have to imply 14 million additional deaths, since as many as 3 million may be births that never took place due to reduced fertility and choice. The highest death estimates are 50 million from the 1920s to 1950s, but they are probably greatly exaggerated.

A quote popularly attributed to Stalin is "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." (possibly said in response to Churchill at the Potsdam Conference in 1945)."

The above passage was taken from this website.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Please link us to non white supremacist, legitimate sites that can convincingly prove that Jews control the media.

First why don't you stop putting words in my mouth and show me where in my post I said that they "control" the media?

I merely said "influence in the media".

For the mentally challenged such as yourself, influence does not equal control.

My vote influenced the last election. But it didn't control it.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: vlk

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the Jewish influence in the US media also pounds the point home more than you'd hear about it otherwise. More people were killed by Stalin but you don't see many ex-Soviets running US networks and pushing for shows that constantly remind you of that fact. The people telling the story will tend to tell you their side of the story.

Along the same lines, many Native Americans were wiped out by the colonists that founded this country, but you don't hear about that much. You only hear about Thanksgiving where everything was fine and dandy. The fact that not many Native Americans have influence in the US media prevents their story from being told the way they want you to hear it.

The media is your view to our history and the outside world. Those that control the media you watch will determine what you can see. I don't know about you, but when I see something on US TV about the middle east, I see people in headscarves yelling and running around in the dirt.

You rarely see images of happiness and prosperity like this:

this

I think what he's trying to say is, the holocaust is always "in your face" here in the USA; If Hollywood's not reminding you about it, the media will. Try living elsewhere (outside USA) and they won't put as much "weight" about what happened as they do here in the US. That also doesn't mean that it's regarded as an insignificant event elsewhere.

And you would be an idiot too then....

But hey I understand, I'm tired of hearing about Rape, Murder, the Tsunami, war, terrorism... and above all 9/11.... sheesh it happened get over it... I don't feel like hearing about it anymore... I wish those people who control the media would just shut up already.

So annoying... sheesh.

Your sarcasm is out of place, since you could not even comprehend fully the point he was making.

Media, controlled by Jews is telling the story from their perspective. You don't know much about other peoples that Hitler thought should have same destiny as Jews and you don't hear Jewish media telling their stories now, do you?

That was the point. You missed it.

Please prove that the Jews control the media. Or do you consider that a given?
Lets assume they do control the media, are you implying that they are too biased to objectively report the news?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

it is impossible to comprehend for me on many levels

i cant inagine some one with that much hate, and i certainly cant imagine how that person convinced all the other to help him

when it comes to the sheer numbers though, and the numbers of the dead in the entire WWII i jus cant image that many bodies. its unreal

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Please link us to non white supremacist, legitimate sites that can convincingly prove that Jews control the media.

First why don't you stop putting words in my mouth and show me where in my post I said that they "control" the media?

I merely said "influence in the media".

For the mentally challenged such as yourself, influence does not equal control.

My vote influenced the last election. But it didn't control it.

Your an idiot.

"The people telling the story will tend to tell you their side of the story. "


"The media is your view to our history and the outside world. Those that control the media you watch will determine what you can see. "

Right after that you make an anology to how the US Media makes arabs people look like, "headscarves yelling and running around in the dirt.

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Doboji

"Jewish influence in the media" WTF are you talking about?... Asshat moron.

Apparently you must have missed the last 75 years of the US media. It's no conspiracy.

Anyone that has that level of influence, 75 years of it, has a level of control. So we can all deduce, according to your statements above, that you feel that jews control the media or exert a tremendous amout of influence, which IS CONTROL.

Getting back to how we portray the Muslim world, how many people enjoy those large buildings you displayed? The Princes and Sultans who control the oil and rule with absolute power? What about the average citizen that doesn't have the right to vote and constantly struggles while the oil owners and theives prosper?

 

[vlk]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: vlk

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RaDragon

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the Jewish influence in the US media also pounds the point home more than you'd hear about it otherwise. More people were killed by Stalin but you don't see many ex-Soviets running US networks and pushing for shows that constantly remind you of that fact. The people telling the story will tend to tell you their side of the story.

Along the same lines, many Native Americans were wiped out by the colonists that founded this country, but you don't hear about that much. You only hear about Thanksgiving where everything was fine and dandy. The fact that not many Native Americans have influence in the US media prevents their story from being told the way they want you to hear it.

The media is your view to our history and the outside world. Those that control the media you watch will determine what you can see. I don't know about you, but when I see something on US TV about the middle east, I see people in headscarves yelling and running around in the dirt.

You rarely see images of happiness and prosperity like this:

this

I think what he's trying to say is, the holocaust is always "in your face" here in the USA; If Hollywood's not reminding you about it, the media will. Try living elsewhere (outside USA) and they won't put as much "weight" about what happened as they do here in the US. That also doesn't mean that it's regarded as an insignificant event elsewhere.

And you would be an idiot too then....

But hey I understand, I'm tired of hearing about Rape, Murder, the Tsunami, war, terrorism... and above all 9/11.... sheesh it happened get over it... I don't feel like hearing about it anymore... I wish those people who control the media would just shut up already.

So annoying... sheesh.

Your sarcasm is out of place, since you could not even comprehend fully the point he was making.

Media, controlled by Jews is telling the story from their perspective. You don't know much about other peoples that Hitler thought should have same destiny as Jews and you don't hear Jewish media telling their stories now, do you?

That was the point. You missed it.

Please prove that the Jews control the media. Or do you consider that a given?
Lets assume they do control the media, are you implying that they are too biased to objectively report the news?

Well, I was not the one to state that Jews control media.

The users in this thread are not too good in reading and comprehension, obviously.

I was simply pointing out to another user how he misunderstood yet another user's post and was too quick to embarrass himself with inappropriate sarcasm.

Anyway, if one were to prove that, say, Jews (or Muslims, or whoever) control the media, I guess one would check who owns the outlets or most stock for the outlets and who are editors and writers and reporters.

I have no interest in it and no motivation to do this research.

However, it is extremely easy to prove that Jews indeed are biased - when talking about this catastrophe; pretty much only Jewish victims are mentioned.

Also, it is interesting, that, apparently, it is only appropriate to bring Jewish victims up in a discussion of Holocaust, and, apparently, those who mention others suddenly "have agenda" and should shut up, and get slammed in this thread.

And why are people already calling each other ?idiot? and such in this thread? Why can?t you people read attentively what others are writing and be more respectful to one another?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Your an idiot.

Classic.

"you're" unable to choose the correct word for that application.

 

[Vic]

While the Holocaust was a tragedy of the highest order, I see it in the context of WWII as a whole, where something like 100 million civilians were killed, more than that imprisoned or enslaved, and even more than that made homeless and/or financially ruined (exact numbers are and always will be debatable). While the Jews suffered greatly, they were not the only ones by a long shot. How many people did Stalin kill? How many did the Japanese kill?

There is a reason and a purpose for modern war, and that reason is greed, and that purpose is wealth redistribution.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Your an idiot.

Classic.

"you're" unable to choose the correct word for that application.

Wow, instead of refuting anything, you turn to the old grammar nazi routine. Brilliant.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, instead of refuting anything, you turn to the old grammar nazi routine. Brilliant.

You want to talk about something brilliant? You're calling me a grammar "nazi" in a thread about the Holocaust. I'd think that at the very least in this thread, the word "Nazi" would have a more literal meaning.

But feel free to continue your bastardization of the grammar system.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Your an idiot.

Classic.
"you're" unable to choose the correct word for that application.

Wow, instead of refuting anything, you turn to the old grammar nazi routine. Brilliant.

Would you two STFU? Your senseless bickering brings nothing to the discussion.

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: Vic
While the Holocaust was a tragedy of the highest order, I see it in the context of WWII as a whole, where something like 100 million civilians were killed, more than that imprisoned or enslaved, and even more than that made homeless and/or financially ruined (exact numbers are and always will be debatable). While the Jews suffered greatly, they were not the only ones by a long shot. How many people did Stalin kill? How many did the Japanese kill?

My feelings exactly. Certainly the coming generations should never forget the Holocaust nor should they forget all of the others who suffered during those terrible times.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Vic
While the Holocaust was a tragedy of the highest order, I see it in the context of WWII as a whole, where something like 100 million civilians were killed, more than that imprisoned or enslaved, and even more than that made homeless and/or financially ruined (exact numbers are and always will be debatable). While the Jews suffered greatly, they were not the only ones by a long shot. How many people did Stalin kill? How many did the Japanese kill?

There is a reason and a purpose for modern war, and that reason is greed, and that purpose is wealth redistribution.

And we are all complicit:
From the lips of Gen Curtis Lemay
"killed more persons in a six-hour period than at any time in the history of man."
"We killed off--what--twenty percent of the population of North Korea."

I personally don't think the jews to have been an exception but the rule.Kill your enemy given any means accesible.

 

[vlk]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: Vic
While the Holocaust was a tragedy of the highest order, I see it in the context of WWII as a whole, where something like 100 million civilians were killed, more than that imprisoned or enslaved, and even more than that made homeless and/or financially ruined (exact numbers are and always will be debatable). While the Jews suffered greatly, they were not the only ones by a long shot. How many people did Stalin kill? How many did the Japanese kill?

There is a reason and a purpose for modern war, and that reason is greed, and that purpose is wealth redistribution.

And we are all complicit:
From the lips of Gen Curtis Lemay
"killed more persons in a six-hour period than at any time in the history of man."
"We killed off--what--twenty percent of the population of North Korea."

I personally don't think the jews to have been an exception but the rule.Kill your enemy given any means accesible.

Now, folks, if you want to talk about horrors, here's something fairly recent that most of you know nothing of (of course, since the media is not controlled by Armenians):

1915 Armenian Genocide committed by Ottoman Turkey (site: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/).

Now, the proportion of the people killed and the way they were killed (medieval torture) is just pure horror.

But, again, why should anyone learn anything about this, especially in our world where media is not controlled by any particular group, right?