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Can WVU win the National Championship?

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Ohio State? Missouri? Who will stop the high powered Mountaineers with Slaton, White, Devine, Schmitt, Reynaud, and the 4th ranked Defense in the country? Will the spread offense that Coach Rodriguez revolutionized become the norm in the next decade of college football (i.e. recruiting straight SPEED vs traditional power/size first)? Regardless, there is no question that WVU and coach Rod have changed the game permanently (i.e. traditional powerhouses like Ohio State and USC visiting Morgantown for spread offense tutelage in the past 2 years), and more and more teams IMO will convert to the spread O or get left behind.
 
09/01 W Michigan W 62-24
09/08 at Marshall W 48-23
09/13 at Maryland W 31-14
09/22 E Carolina W 48-7
09/28 at #18 S Florida L 21-13
10/06 at Syracuse W 55-14
10/20 Miss St W 38-13
10/27 at #25 Rutgers W 31-3
11/08 Louisville W 38-31
11/17 at #22 Cincy W 28-23
11/24 #20 UConn W 66-21
 
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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How do you define a "real offense" this days? The spread offense is as standard these days as a cover 2 defense or no huddle offense is--most every team uses it one way or another. Look at all the top teams out there right now, Florida dominated OSU last year in the NC with a spread offense, Oregon was on its way to the NC this year with one, and Missouri/Kansas who had great chances at getting there as well also run aspects of one, even their Big 12 counterpart Oklahoma isn't "against the spread".

The spread offense is here to stay like it or not, and its no longer just something used by crappy teams to make up for lacking a "real offense".
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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ah... another big 10 fan who believes that football should be 7-3 scoring, power-I vs Jumbo Ace offenses... Your style of football is so outdated. No wonder the SEC doesnt give your conference any real respect.

The spread offence is the best way for a smaller speedy team to compete with the gargantuan giants... and it is rather effective I must say.


Go Mountaineers!!!
Uniontown Loves ya.
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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Yes you can overlook Pitt.

<---- PITT Fan and Alumni
 
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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ah... another big 10 fan who believes that football should be 7-3 scoring, power-I vs Jumbo Ace offenses... Your style of football is so outdated. No wonder the SEC doesnt give your conference any real respect.

The spread offence is the best way for a smaller speedy team to compete with the gargantuan giants... and it is rather effective I must say.


Go Mountaineers!!!
Uniontown Loves ya.
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Well I'll be a goddamned son of a bitch. Clearly a totally unbiased objective outsider... uh-huh, yep, yer damn right.

Rich is a system coach and he has just about perfected that system. But the same rules apply... if you match up well, you will dominate. USF owns UWV. And it wasn't effective enough to get to a BCS bowl last year.

You gotta love WVU fans...
 
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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ah... another big 10 fan who believes that football should be 7-3 scoring, power-I vs Jumbo Ace offenses... Your style of football is so outdated. No wonder the SEC doesnt give your conference any real respect.

The spread offence is the best way for a smaller speedy team to compete with the gargantuan giants... and it is rather effective I must say.


Go Mountaineers!!!
Uniontown Loves ya.
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Well I'll be a goddamned son of a bitch. Clearly a totally unbiased objective outsider... uh-huh, yep, yer damn right.

Rich is a system coach and he has just about perfected that system. But the same rules apply... if you match up well, you will dominate. USF owns UWV. And it wasn't effective enough to get to a BCS bowl last year.

You gotta love WVU fans...
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I'm a fan of all college football teams... including ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Pitt...

Im just tired of all this crap about my conference is stronger than yours...

They all start with the same freaking recruiting pool. They all have the same ability to woo students. Any conference which lays claims to being the exclusive powerhouse of college football is utter crap.
 
if south Florida could stop them why couldn't some other team with good speed on defense stop them, if not stop atleast contain them, its all about match ups, look at what mcfadden did to lsu, on the other hand auburn was able to neutralize him,, i think a team with fast defense like usc/lsu/georgia is a much harder matchup for wva than say ohio state, michigan etc, not sure on Missouri's defense
 
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
 
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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How do you define a "real offense" this days? The spread offense is as standard these days as a cover 2 defense or no huddle offense is--most every team uses it one way or another. Look at all the top teams out there right now, Florida dominated OSU last year in the NC with a spread offense, Oregon was on its way to the NC this year with one, and Missouri/Kansas who had great chances at getting there as well also run aspects of one, even their Big 12 counterpart Oklahoma isn't "against the spread".

The spread offense is here to stay like it or not, and its no longer just something used by crappy teams to make up for lacking a "real offense".
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I don't think you can say it's here to stay. At one point the Wing T was here to stay. Then the Wishbone, then the Veer, then the Run and Shoot...

The spread can be a great offense, but the problem with it from my perspective is you become very heavily dependent on your QB while at the same time exposing him to a lot of hits. Florida's offense lost a lot of punch when Tebow got banged up, and WVU lost when White got hurt. But then again, no offense is perfect.

oh as for the OP: Sure WVU could win it all, but I tink whoever they play in the MNCG will be capable of beating them - no sure thing either way.
 
was in morgantown for that last ass-whooping of UConn. nice game to be at, wv loves their mountaineers. if you ask me, as long as Slaton/Pat White don't fumble the ball, no one can stop the insane running attack of Slaton/White/Schmidt. not to mention Renaud in the passing game and Wicks on defense
 
Originally posted by: hdeck
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
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And who has Ohio State played...?
 
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: hdeck
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
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And who has Ohio State played...?
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A tougher conference, a tougher non-conf schedule, etc. etc. And before you sneer at the Big10 consider how unoriginal and Disney-company-line-toeing that would be.

Fact is that OSU has the best D in the top 5... probably the top 10. That was, I believe, his point.
 
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: hdeck
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
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And who has Ohio State played...?
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A tougher conference, a tougher non-conf schedule, etc. etc. And before you sneer at the Big10 consider how unoriginal and Disney-company-line-toeing that would be.

Fact is that OSU has the best D in the top 5... probably the top 10. That was, I believe, his point.
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Tougher conference? Not by much my friend, not by much at all. A tougher non-conference? Washington, Akron State, and Kent State.. that's laughable! Give me a break, OSU may have a good D but they played the same kind of trash that WV played. WV had a good looking offense against their competition, and OSU had what looks like good defense against theirs.

Fact is that WV probably has the best O in the top 5, probably top 10. So we'll see, WV is basically in and the Fuckeyes have to hope for someone to lose. Regardless, the Big East AND Big 10 both should play conference championship games.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: buck
This is partly why CFB needs a playoff system....
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QFT
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The Wetzel plan

A playoff is coming to college football, not eventually but probably sooner than the moneyed-establishment wants to admit.
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See.. I think 16 is too many. Here's my take on it..

Sure, I want a playoff in NCAAF as much as the next guy, but here's the thing.. before we can standardize a playoff system, we need EVERY BCS conference to either have a championship game or not, plain and simple. Get it right in the regular season before worrying about a playoff series, make these teams play the same amount of games or make them all play championship games. Then you can have the winners and 2 outside-BCS teams go through an 8-team playoff system that can have 7 bowl sponsored games within it, with the final 3 games being a combination of Orange/Rose/Sugar/Fiesta bowls.

 
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: hdeck
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
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And who has Ohio State played...?
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ohio state hasn't played anyone either. that's why wvu better hope they somehow make it to the championship game so they can expose ohio state just like illinois did.
 
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