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Can WVU win the National Championship?

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Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Jeff Sagarin's conference ratings can kiss my ass, probably defined in pre-season.
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You complain that his ratings are biased without providing any evidence, which requires that I believe an obviously biased Big 10 fan. In 2005, Sagarin had the Big 10 as the top rated conference. In 2006, he had OSU #1 and Michigan #2 before the bowls.

Anderson-Hester has the Big East 3rd and the Big 10 6th.
Massey has the Big East 4th and the Big 10 6th.
Wolfe has the Big East 2nd and the Big 10 6th.

All four are respected well enough to be included in the BCS.

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
10/11 teams bowl eligible. Better % than the big least, Big12, ACC and yes, the SEC.
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There is a specific formula for having a lot of bowl eligible teams, neither of which makes a conference good.

First, they must play easy teams OOC. If all teams play patsies OOC, you only need two conference wins for bowl eligibility. This doesn't prove in the least that the conference is good.

Second, you need one team that is so bad they won't win any conference games. That gives the other bad teams in the conference a win, so they only need 1 upset for bowl eligibility. This only proves that everyone else is better then a really bad team. If a conference was really good, the "bad" teams would win once in a while.
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I disagree on the OSU getting beat by WVU part (I think WVU would be overmatched)
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white/slaton are way better than juice williams, if illinois wasn't over matched by osu why would wvu be

look at the last few teams with spread offenses that ohio state has played , few that i can remember


texas with vince young
penn state with Michael Robinson
florida last year
illinois this year

wvu will give real problems to ohio state i think
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That goes back to my point about the spread and having top notch players to run it. Purdue also runs the spread, and OSU has had no trouble with them. Florida, Texas and Penn State all have similar talent levels as OSU, so yes, when they run the spread well, OSU has a hard time stopping it. WVU in my view simply doesn't have the horses at all the positions to hang with OSU, spread or no spread. And yes, they have a great QB / RB combo, and an O line that does a good job, but I just don't think they are on the same level as some of the top notch teams.

That's why they need to play the games though, discussions and arguments are fun, but they shouldn't determine who is crowned the "champ".

Lets face it, if Mizzou and WVU play this year, regardless of who wins, will you really sit there and think "Yep, they are the best team in the country, bar-none". I wouldn't. I'd think "yes, they won in this idiotic BCS system, but I think there are a number of teams that are better overall".

 
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: hdeck
WVU hasn't beaten anyone. sorry but the big east is a joke this year. they lost to one of the best big east defenses and squeaked by the other. there only hope is that missouri loses to ou so they can play ohio state.
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And who has Ohio State played...?
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A tougher conference, a tougher non-conf schedule, etc. etc. And before you sneer at the Big10 consider how unoriginal and Disney-company-line-toeing that would be.

Fact is that OSU has the best D in the top 5... probably the top 10. That was, I believe, his point.
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:roll: Tougher non-conf schedule? You beat Purdue! The only team currently in the top 25 osu has beaten is Wisconsin, which also plays in the over rated big 10. The big 10 is the worst BCS conference by far. I want osu to be in the NCB just so they can be humiliated again & more pressure can be applied for a playoff. It pisses me off that osu gets so highly rated every year because it plays in such a pathetic conference.

edit: And WVU would absolutely murder osu. Their offense is much better than Illinois's.
 
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I disagree on the OSU getting beat by WVU part (I think WVU would be overmatched)
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white/slaton are way better than juice williams, if illinois wasn't over matched by osu why would wvu be

look at the last few teams with spread offenses that ohio state has played , few that i can remember


texas with vince young
penn state with Michael Robinson
florida last year
illinois this year

wvu will give real problems to ohio state i think
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That goes back to my point about the spread and having top notch players to run it. Purdue also runs the spread, and OSU has had no trouble with them. Florida, Texas and Penn State all have similar talent levels as OSU, so yes, when they run the spread well, OSU has a hard time stopping it. WVU in my view simply doesn't have the horses at all the positions to hang with OSU, spread or no spread. And yes, they have a great QB / RB combo, and an O line that does a good job, but I just don't think they are on the same level as some of the top notch teams.

That's why they need to play the games though, discussions and arguments are fun, but they shouldn't determine who is crowned the "champ".

Lets face it, if Mizzou and WVU play this year, regardless of who wins, will you really sit there and think "Yep, they are the best team in the country, bar-none". I wouldn't. I'd think "yes, they won in this idiotic BCS system, but I think there are a number of teams that are better overall".
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i think WVU has a better RB/QB/O-Line combo for the spread than Florida had last year, so if they get paired then i don't see ohio state stopping them unless they can create turnovers. if illinois can run the spread against ohio state in the horseshoe and beat them, WVU should be able to do the same.
 
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Jeff Sagarin's conference ratings can kiss my ass, probably defined in pre-season.
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You complain that his ratings are biased without providing any evidence
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No I didn't. Reading comprehension FTL. I said his conf. ratings can kiss my ass. IMO I don't think the Big10 is that bad. Yes I am a Big10 homer. I think the majority of that perception is due to ESPN - yes, the network that feels pressure from a competing product (BTN). So they heap FUD on the other product.

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

All four are respected well enough to be included in the BCS.
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Is that what it takes to get in the BCS? Respected? Try again my friend. The most respected authority around (the AP) wants nothing to do with the BCS. The only reason Sagarin is still in the BCS formula is he came up with a specific calculation just for them (EHLO, I believe). Year to year they change their demands and drop computer polls all the time... mostly because the respective polls have too much self respect to change their formulae to meet the demands of the BCS.

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
10/11 teams bowl eligible. Better % than the big least, Big12, ACC and yes, the SEC.
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There is a specific formula for having a lot of bowl eligible teams, neither of which makes a conference good.
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Whatever. Those years the Big10 was so highly rated by your respected authorities they didn't send ten teams to bowls. Your logic is hard to follow... if there is this formula then why didn't those other conferences do as well?

 
Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'd say that defense is ranked 4th primarily because of their offense. Heavily run oriented against largely ineffective defenses (other than USF and UC) shreds the clock meaning their defense simply doesn't have to play that much.

Que a team like OSU who also has an effective run game on top of a potential quick strike passing game (something WVU appears to be very susceptible to) on top of one of the only apparent legitimately good defenses means they could be a pretty good match up. Should OSU gain a lead they could also play clock control and force WVU out of their comfort zone and force them to play ball they aren't designed to play well. The spread O isn't anything new, its highly niche/is for teams that can't run a real offense.

I think WVU wants to see Missouri in the NC, of course that's counting chickens before they've hatched, can't overlook Pitt.
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Yes you can overlook Pitt.

<---- PITT Fan and Alumni
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Ahh to rub it in at a time like this...

Pitt wins 13 to 9 upsetting WVU

eat it 😛
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Apparently Pitt can. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
SP33Demon, perhaps if you'd paid me my money that you lost in our bet last year you wouldn't have jinxed your team.

Is that twice now that you've crowed too early and had to eat it?
 
.... just as I suspected, WVU wasn't all that good. Mizzou is a good team, but I would not consider them "elite" either. Clearly, OK is one of the elite teams.

OSU and LSU are good teams, but who could argue against having a showdown including USC, LSU, OSU, Georgia, and OK??

Playoff! Playoff!
 
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