Can the police arrest you because they had "a feeling"

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheKub

Originally posted by: spidey07
Not really. Once you are on a public network it's fair game.

Then brute forceing a password on a website located on a public network would be ok becasue its fair game?

So then the only way I can secure my website is by using authentication or a page that says "you cant go here unless you are XXXX"?

The access point is private property but so is my server that is hosting the webpage and as such I have rigths to control access dont I?

No. It's fair game in that you can connect to that host. What you do with that authorization falls under different federal laws.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

I should also add that somebody who thinks they're so knowledgeable about the legal aspect of networks would realize that the internet isn't public. It's a collection of private networks, so every time you access anything on the internet you're crossing over several private networks and accessing numerous private pieces of hardware. If Sprint suddenly decided that one of their backbone switches was private but didn't tell anybody and didn't protect it in any way, could they accuse half the internet of trespassing?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

Refer to my edit. Personal comment edited out for the sake of civility.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

I should also add that somebody who thinks they're so knowledgeable about the legal aspect of networks would realize that the internet isn't public. It's a collection of private networks, so every time you access anything on the internet you're crossing over several private networks and accessing numerous private pieces of hardware. If Sprint suddenly decided that one of their backbone switches was private but didn't tell anybody and didn't protect it in any way, could they accuse half the internet of trespassing?[/quote]

Sprint sure can. But in the case of transport there are legally binding agreements in place to prevent this from happening. In other words, they can but it would be stupid to do so - financially.

That's where you you need to understand how The Internet works.

But we're not dealing with how The Internet works. We're dealing strictly with accessing a computer you do not have authorization/permission to use.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

Repeating private network 100 times isn't going to convince anyone that the network is private.

How is a network private if anyone and everyone is allowed to connect to that network.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

Repeating private network 100 times isn't going to convince anyone that the network is private.

How is a network private if anyone and everyone is allowed to connect to that network.

Because Spidey and the Police are emitting thought waves saying "Private Network, you do not have permisssion to connect" through the air you are supposed to receive through your tin foil beanie of course.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

Repeating private network 100 times isn't going to convince anyone that the network is private.

How is a network private if anyone and everyone is allowed to connect to that network.

It's because you're not supposed to use it without buying some of their stuff. They pay for internet as a service to their customers

why is this thread still going?

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

Private network.

Repeating private network 100 times isn't going to convince anyone that the network is private.

How is a network private if anyone and everyone is allowed to connect to that network.

It's because you're not supposed to use it without buying some of their stuff. They pay for internet as a service to their customers

why is this thread still going?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

I should also add that somebody who thinks they're so knowledgeable about the legal aspect of networks would realize that the internet isn't public. It's a collection of private networks, so every time you access anything on the internet you're crossing over several private networks and accessing numerous private pieces of hardware. If Sprint suddenly decided that one of their backbone switches was private but didn't tell anybody and didn't protect it in any way, could they accuse half the internet of trespassing?

Sprint sure can. But in the case of transport there are legally binding agreements in place to prevent this from happening. In other words, they can but it would be stupid to do so - financially.

That's where you you need to understand how The Internet works.

But we're not dealing with how The Internet works. We're dealing strictly with accessing a computer you do not have authorization/permission to use.[/quote]

Nice try Skippy, but contract law doesn't override criminal law. Even if contracts are in place to guarantee access to a particular switch, Sprint could choose to claim it was private. While that may place them in breach of contract, that doesn't absolve all of their customers of their crimes.

I should put up an access point named "FREE WIFI FOR ALL" but put a sticky note on the router saying it's private, for my use only. Then I just kick back and wait for victims. I wonder what they'd pay to avoid my reporting them to the police?

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Jesus f'ing christ spidey, quit dodging and answer everyone's burning question. What makes one computer public and one computer private?

The defintion of a public or private network.

Why is this so difficult? Maybe I've been so deep into network communications that I can't comprehend how laymen don't understand this.

Spin, dodge, deflect!

The access point was connected to the internet. According to you that makes it fair game.

I should also add that somebody who thinks they're so knowledgeable about the legal aspect of networks would realize that the internet isn't public. It's a collection of private networks, so every time you access anything on the internet you're crossing over several private networks and accessing numerous private pieces of hardware. If Sprint suddenly decided that one of their backbone switches was private but didn't tell anybody and didn't protect it in any way, could they accuse half the internet of trespassing?

No. They could not.

 

[Howard]

I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away