Can the PC compete with the ps3 for things like arkham asylum?

[obidamnkenobi]

A PC connected into an HDTV using a wireless 360 controll will lay waste to B:AC on console with better graphics and performance.

As far as playing BF3 with a controller on console ? lol ? That is like comparing a pinto (console) to a lambo (pc). There are a few games that play better on PC with a 360 controller rather than a kb/m, I think BAC is sort of one of them for the button mashing aspect, but turning and looking around is still painful, so it's a toss-up.

I don't really play on consoles so I'd honestly like to know; why is "button mashing" better with a controller? There are way more buttons on a keyboard, and as far as I know they're eminently mashable..?

 

[zerocool84]

I preferred Arkham Asylum with a 360 controller. Not fun with a keyboard.

 

[NTAC]

Yep, its just that people don't take the time to set it up, but its very simple and the performance is better:

1. PC connected to TV via HDMI - check
2. 360 controller for PC either wired, or wireless + Microsoft Wireless Receiver

Done. Game plays 100% identical to console version, except it looks better and with the PC comunitiy you have mods and such that can increase the lifespan of a game 10000 fold.

Top it all of with insanely cheaper prices for the PC title and the only reason not to go this route is lack of understanding of what it takes.

 

[slpnshot]

Um... If you're talking about controller to keyboard comparison, it's down the preference for games like AA.

Lets face it, as long as there is no need for smooth rotation of a joystick(i.e. fighting, sports, and racing games) there is no advantage to having a controller other than portability.

That said, I can't imagine playing games like MSG on a keyboard and mouse, but I think it's more a force of habit if anything.

 

[zinfamous]

I played Arkham Aslylum on the PC and was apprehensive, at first, about this type of game on KB & M. However--it worked quite well, though I'd still prefer a controller for that type of combo-driven game. it looks phenomenal on PC--of course it looks better than it could on a console--but I agree that it would just "look better" on a bigger TV.

it's for that, and games like Assassin's Creed that I'd rather dig out the PS3 to play them on the big TV. I don't really care about the hardset graphics options, I just want to play it on my big TV and relax on the couch.

 

[NTAC]

I played Arkham Aslylum on the PC and was apprehensive, at first, about this type of game on KB & M. However--it worked quite well, though I'd still prefer a controller for that type of combo-driven game. it looks phenomenal on PC--of course it looks better than it could on a console--but I agree that it would just "look better" on a bigger TV.

it's for that, and games like Assassin's Creed that I'd rather dig out the PS3 to play them on the big TV. I don't really care about the hardset graphics options, I just want to play it on my big TV and relax on the couch.

Why not just connect the PC to the TV and you get the best of both worlds.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Speaking of which, I just ordered a 15' HDMI cable from monoprice I had been just moving the PC closer to the TV, but why do that, these things are so cheap these days.

 

[linthat22]

Ummm......guys?

I think everyone is missing the point of the OP's post. He spent 2500k on a new rig!!!

It has to be awesome right?!?!? :awe:

 

[NTAC]

Ummm......guys?

I think everyone is missing the point of the OP's post. He spent 2500k on a new rig!!!

It has to be awesome right?!?!? :awe:

I think he's talking about the proc? Not sure if you were serious or not

 

[blackened23]

Both Batman titles play great on MKB.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Real 1080p, better FPS, and you can still hook up the PC to a TV. I don't get it, it's so easy hooking up a computer to any kind of HDMI equipped monitor or HDTV. I've been doing the PC to 1080p HDTV thing for almost three years with both laptops and desktops. It's worked out wonderfully, though I just bought a 24" PC monitor for a more "authentic" FPS and desk computing experience. My PC is still hooked up to the HDTV via a 16' HDMI cord as it has been for a while, and I love being able to instantly switch monitors on the fly if I feel like it.

Any complaints regarding PC gaming and output source really don't have any merit anymore when you consider how troublesome consoles are similarily, since they, like PCs must support a wide range of output options, and max resolutions.

At least you could take your Batman AA or AC experience with you on any decent laptop with a current Intel IGP. Can't do that with a home console at all in any manner. PC gaming isn't inaccessible as long as you have a decent base knowledge of what you are doing.

 

[KaOTiK]

Every time I read the thread title my brain keeps switching it around. Can the PS3 compete with the PC for things like arkham asylum? No!

Besides having the option to use a controller if you want, the game plays extremely well with kb+m. I played through the entire game and never once had an issue with the controls.

 

[zinfamous]

Why not just connect the PC to the TV and you get the best of both worlds.

the geography doesn't work. :\

 

[linthat22]

I think he's talking about the proc? Not sure if you were serious or not

Nah, just teasing

 

[carling220]

Yep, its just that people don't take the time to set it up, but its very simple and the performance is better:

1. PC connected to TV via HDMI - check
2. 360 controller for PC either wired, or wireless + Microsoft Wireless Receiver

Done. Game plays 100% identical to console version, except it looks better and with the PC comunitiy you have mods and such that can increase the lifespan of a game 10000 fold.

Top it all of with insanely cheaper prices for the PC title and the only reason not to go this route is lack of understanding of what it takes.

Thanks for the replies, interesting reading. I think this^ is true.

Not many people do the association I think. Its logical to think, Fifa on ps3 and COD on PC for example because of the desk and mouse.

I never thought of it as simply; my PC is the same for gaming as the PS3, just better and not built to be as simple. It's just the geography that changes that fact, i.e desk vs couch.

So X box controller and longish HDMI lead and even sports games like fifa and NBA will be better on the PC. The PC should be able play all the games better, unless they're ported for the console or something.

Based on this thread, apart from exclusive titles, I'm struggling to think of a reason why I need to buy any more PS3 games in the future!!

Thanks for clearing this up.

Now I can get some more PC games bought. I was thinking yesterday that its a shame i'm only going to play FPS and strategy on the PC despite how much it cost, mainly because games like batman i like on 40inch TV sat in bed. Now I can play these games in bed on the 40 inch TV but graphically superior. It's exactly the same just a better setup.

 

[carling220]

Now the logistics are sorted. With regard to games, how do you tell which games are ported to consoles? Will these not look that much better on PC than console due to this? Or will the superior PC power show through even if games not designed for it?

 

[HeXen]

Now the logistics are sorted. With regard to games, how do you tell which games are ported to consoles? Will these not look that much better on PC than console due to this? Or will the superior PC power show through even if games not designed for it?

typically, most games where the lead platform is a console, depending on developer budget, they may not introduce any new graphical abilities other than perhaps the enhancements like AA/AF and resolution in the options menu. Normally most all of such look better on the PC regardless, if your really into graphics. But often too they require a decent rig to play at twice the frame rates of consoles.

A good way to tell is to just assume that 99% of your major retail titles are "ports" cause thats pretty much the truth.

 

[carling220]

That's a shame. Although I have to say, my dad has BF3 on PS3 and the PC version on high/ultra really blinds it.

Using Arkham Asylum as the example again, this would be ported for console also? Does this look noticeably better on a PC still though?

Sorry for all the questions, PC gaming is quite a learning curve from easy going PS3.

 

[irishScott]

I played Batman with mouse and keyboard and loved it. Controls were as smooth and accurate as you could ask for. Undoubtedly different from a controller, but I fail to see how a controller improves the experience.

 

[irishScott]

the geography doesn't work. :\

Since when?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10240&cs_id=1024006&p_id=2841&seq=1&format=2

 

[zinfamous]

Since when?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10240&cs_id=1024006&p_id=2841&seq=1&format=2

You know as well as I do that HDMI cables are, probably, the worst-designed interface in the history of cabling. I literally have to use the pressure from the wall, behind my TV, to keep those mother fucking cables in place or they will just wiggle right out.

I'm not dragging a 15 footer from one end of the room to the next--and I really don't want it running under the carpet.

That, and my 5850 wasn't playing nice with HDMI when I briefly tried it with my cheapo Acer 23". I know it's a relatively quick fix HDCP yada yada, but I honestly don't want to deal with that when I have no desire to pump sound to a speakerless monitor. DVI is plenty good.

 

[irishScott]

You know as well as I do that HDMI cables are, probably, the worst-designed interface in the history of cabling. I literally have to use the pressure from the wall, behind my TV, to keep those mother fucking cables in place or they will just wiggle right out.

I'm not dragging a 15 footer from one end of the room to the next--and I really don't want it running under the carpet.

That, and my 5850 wasn't playing nice with HDMI when I briefly tried it with my cheapo Acer 23". I know it's a relatively quick fix HDCP yada yada, but I honestly don't want to deal with that when I have no desire to pump sound to a speakerless monitor. DVI is plenty good.

Really? Sounds like your TV has issues. My HDMI cable has never fallen out of my monitor or computer despite zero effective pressure from the wall... just saying. In any case monoprice also has DVI cables up to 50 ft, might want to try one of those? Then again I'm not as aesthetically minded as some, I have no problem with a long cable snaking its way around the borders of the room behind the furniture.

 

[zinfamous]

well, the TV is almost 5 years old now, maybe they have improved HDMI connections since then, but they've always been extremely flimsy in my experience. There is absolutely no lock or firm grip between them and the cable.

My now-kaput Onkyo receiver was scratched to hell from one-too-many moves and constantly replacing the cable for that one output port, that it simply would not hold another cable without some clever angling. That, and the piles of monoprice cables that i have are too stiff--the binding keeps them popping out if they don't have enough clearance behind the component.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Based on this thread, apart from exclusive titles, I'm struggling to think of a reason why I need to buy any more PS3 games in the future!!

There really isn't any, the main strengths of the console for someone with a good PC setup already is mainly coop play with friends and exclusive titles. Don't get me wrong, there's some really good games on the PS3, Heavy Rain, Demon's Souls, Red Dead Redemption etc, but really that's the only reason to get one.

Now the logistics are sorted. With regard to games, how do you tell which games are ported to consoles? Will these not look that much better on PC than console due to this? Or will the superior PC power show through even if games not designed for it?

Even if the game is identical on the console and PC, it's still going to look better on the PC for a few reasons.

1) True High Definition (1080p), almost no AAA console games are actually 1080p, in fact a lot of them aren't even 720p, graphically demanding games like GTA IV for example are usually 640p. This large jump in screen resolution has a massive impact on the quality of the image.
2) Proper Anti-Aliasing, consoles tend to use very bad anti-aliasing to blur out games or just miss out Anti-Aliasing all together, this can greatly improve image quality.
3) Decent texture filtering, 16x Anisotropic Filtering is trivial for the PC and cleans up the image nicely.
4) Higher graphics settings, while the engine for the game might be identical in a lot of cases, there will usually be other settings that can be tweaked to offer better experience on a PC, things like the resolution of shadows, the draw distance, general LOD distance - all these things can be offered without fundamental changes to the engine or a lot of time spent tailoring for PC
5) Smoother frame rate, some console games are absolutely fucking terrible for frame rate, and there's nothing you can do about it.
6) Mods, one of the best reasons to get a PC, modding communities given the right tools will endlessly improve games adding their own upgrades and tweaks which you can download and install for free.
7) PC specific tailored options, if you're lucky you'll get additional graphics options, DirectX 10 and 11 effects, sometimes higher resolution textures, smoother animation, etc

Point 5-7 tends to be hit or miss depending on what the particular developer decides to implement in the game, but 1-4 are always benefits even if they're not officially supported and between them represent a significant increase in graphical fidelity.

You know as well as I do that HDMI cables are, probably, the worst-designed interface in the history of cabling. I literally have to use the pressure from the wall, behind my TV, to keep those mother fucking cables in place or they will just wiggle right out.

Something wrong with your cables, I have HDMI running all over the place between my PS3/PC/Projector and they're all excellent connections, I don't know how cables are wiggling out of anything it sounds like there's stress on the cable pulling at them in which case you've probably knackered your HDMI ports.

 

[zinfamous]

Something wrong with your cables, I have HDMI running all over the place between my PS3/PC/Projector and they're all excellent connections, I don't know how cables are wiggling out of anything it sounds like there's stress on the cable pulling at them in which case you've probably knackered your HDMI ports.

Again--not sure if the interface has been updated somewhat recently, but up to 5 or more years ago, the connection was dogshit, and you really had no choice. It is/was worse than pre-clip SATA connectors.

I have a newer Denon receiver that is a bit more snug, but it isn't great. One big problem, though, is the stiffness of these Monoprice cables. They don't bend really easy, so it doesn't help at all to have everything feeding into components in a really tight space. Unavoidable, though.