It would be nice if the whole world would share . . . but what share of the world's resources do American consumers deserve?
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It would be nice if the whole world would share . . . but what share of the world's resources do American consumers deserve?
Hehe, we use around 50% resources and have 5% population. Resources are finite in thier economically feasable for production form. IE bauxite to aluminum is much cheaper than gathering the scrap and recycleing it and seperating the various alloys to pure production capable aluminum again. Oil is'nt even considered for recyling. So it's down to mining and drilling and production of these finite resourses.
Sure we *could* share, but 99% of us are unwilling to live as they do in China, india or Shi Lanka in order to make this guesture of shared resourses. could you regress? No you still drive that nice car, buy those mexican and Chinese electronics/home appliances (don't kid yourself about sony being japanese made, it's all outsourced to third world today but the very high-end) We can buy it, they can't. We perserve our buying power and monopoly on the worlds resourses with careful pro-western political leadership in those countries we got the resourses from. Can you imagine how much trouble China would be in if we one day cut all imports to ZERO. All hell would break loose politically over there, so they are our bitch, and thier populations support our way of life while they live in sqauler. Our policy on most counties is don't ask, don't tell about human rights, slavery, etc send me the money and we'll send the goods. Same goes for any western democracy however we are about 27 more aircraft carriers more influentual. The peaceniks are hypocrites.![]()
Developing a better foothold for America to execute dominion over Middle Eastern oil reserves is despicable
Why would you call him evil? All he did was lay the backdrop for third world labor conditions that we all know and turn a blind eye against.Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Wow, you're evil. That's the only word I can think of to describe you.
Are you seriously subscribed to this belief? Are we piping in safe drinking water while pumping oil down our lines to Kuwait?Originally posted by: konichiwa
Yeah, we pay fair market value to our own companies (Haliburton) after we raze the country (Iraq)...
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Well here's my favorite little anecdote which happens to also be 100% true.
Guy I used to work with, bought-in somewhat to many conspiracy theories; CIA running drugs in SE Asia during Vietnam, CIA introduced crack to the inner cities to 'keep da black man down', HIV was a 'Tuskegee' type military experiment gone-wrong, and others. If it cast the United States as the corrupt villian, it had merit.
He drives this full-size GMC van with a 350, gets about 14 miles per gallon. So as long as gas was $1.30 something per gallon, he was critical of the US role in the Middle East. "Why are we over there, sticking our nose in these people's business? We should stay out of their affairs and stop doing all these evil things to get cheap oil." Yadda yadda, and so on...
Then when gas prices briefly shot up to over $3.00 per gallon during 1999 or 2000 (I forget which now), he was like "Jesus Christ its costing me over $40 per week just to get to work and back. We should go over there and bomb those towel heads to hell and take their oil those dirty bastards."
Most of the people lamenting US policy in the middle east and fancying themselves as moralists against 'war for oil' would be singing a far different tune if they found themselves in 1973-1974 all over again, only allowed to buy gasoline on alternate days, forced to wait in lines several blocks long to pay as much as $6 a gallon, companies forced to ration or even shut down production because they couldn't get fuel through the fed's price-control system, far-reaching economic injury causing massive lay-offs and record unemployment.
Be careful what you wish for Oh Morally Superior Ones, you just might get it.
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It would be nice if the whole world would share . . . but what share of the world's resources do American consumers deserve?
Hehe, we use around 50% resources and have 5% population. Resources are finite in thier economically feasable for production form. IE bauxite to aluminum is much cheaper than gathering the scrap and recycleing it and seperating the various alloys to pure production capable aluminum again. Oil is'nt even considered for recyling. So it's down to mining and drilling and production of these finite resourses.
Sure we *could* share, but 99% of us are unwilling to live as they do in China, india or Shi Lanka in order to make this guesture of shared resourses. could you regress? No you still drive that nice car, buy those mexican and Chinese electronics/home appliances (don't kid yourself about sony being japanese made, it's all outsourced to third world today but the very high-end) We can buy it, they can't. We perserve our buying power and monopoly on the worlds resourses with careful pro-western political leadership in those countries we got the resourses from. Can you imagine how much trouble China would be in if we one day cut all imports to ZERO. All hell would break loose politically over there, so they are our bitch, and thier populations support our way of life while they live in sqauler. Our policy on most counties is don't ask, don't tell about human rights, slavery, etc send me the money and we'll send the goods. Same goes for any western democracy however we are about 27 more aircraft carriers more influentual. The peaceniks are hypocrites.![]()
Wow, you're evil. That's the only word I can think of to describe you.
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I mean why should we let one man control and influence on such a precious commodity?
Edit:L And should'nt Americas economic intrests be first and foremost in our presidents mind before the UN EU or whatever wannabe international body is viing for the same thing we are?
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I mean why should we let one man control and influence on such a precious commodity?
Edit:L And should'nt Americas economic intrests be first and foremost in our presidents mind before the UN EU or whatever wannabe international body is viing for the same thing we are?
Originally posted by: etech
If you want to make this for a war for oil than please answer these questions.
What country in the world would not have an economic collapse if the price of oil tripled?
What would the world economy be if the price of oil tripled?
How many people worldwide would die if the world economy went into a depression that rivaled that of the thirties?
Originally posted by: konichiwa
The White Man's Burden 2
Originally posted by: etech
I used an arbitary figure of triple.
Now I won't call you a moron. Just answer the questions as best as you can. Then add some of your own.
What would the consequeces be to the WORLD if the price of oil greatly increased?
Originally posted by: etech
If you want to make this for a war for oil than please answer these questions.
What country in the world would not have an economic collapse if the price of oil tripled?
What would the world economy be if the price of oil tripled?
How many people worldwide would die if the world economy went into a depression that rivaled that of the thirties?