can someone explain to me what is so wrong about Nixon

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

FWIW, I thought President Nixon among our best on foreign policy (with the one glaring exception of VietNam). His policy of Detente with the Soviet Union was crucial to the eventual collapse of the Eastern Bloc, and as Mister Spock so pithily stated, "Only Nixon could go to China".

His foreign policy was disastrous. His big accomplishment - China - don't forget he had strongly told JFK not to recognize China, and Eisenhower had said the one thing he would publically attack JFK for was if he recognized China - but it was good enough for him to do so a decade later, ironically after the cultural revolution.

Nixon was responsible for the horrible war criminal Kissinger, for the evil destruction of the democracy in Chile and installation of a terror regime for the basest reasons of greed.

His Vietnam politices helped allow the destabalization of Cambodia and the rise of the monstrous Khmer Rouge, among other disasters.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
FWIW, I thought President Nixon among our best on foreign policy (with the one glaring exception of VietNam). His policy of Detente with the Soviet Union was crucial to the eventual collapse of the Eastern Bloc, and as Mister Spock so pithily stated, "Only Nixon could go to China".

His foreign policy was disastrous. His big accomplishment - China - don't forget he had strongly told JFK not to recognize China, and Eisenhower had said the one thing he would publically attack JFK for was if he recognized China - but it was good enough for him to do so a decade later, ironically after the cultural revolution.
Nixon was responsible for the horrible war criminal Kissinger, for the evil destruction of the democracy in Chile and installation of a terror regime for the basest reasons of greed.
His Vietnam politices helped allow the destabalization of Cambodia and the rise of the monstrous Khmer Rouge, among other disasters.

You're right, I should have limited my foreign policy admiration to Detente. I had forgotten the Allende assassination and the many right-wing dictatorships his administration propped up in the name of "anti-communism". As I recall, Nixon and Henry the K also helped kick off OPEC when they suggested a way that the Shah of Iran could get money to fund his military buildup and secret police after Congress cut off funding.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
FWIW, I thought President Nixon among our best on foreign policy (with the one glaring exception of VietNam). His policy of Detente with the Soviet Union was crucial to the eventual collapse of the Eastern Bloc, and as Mister Spock so pithily stated, "Only Nixon could go to China".

His foreign policy was disastrous. His big accomplishment - China - don't forget he had strongly told JFK not to recognize China, and Eisenhower had said the one thing he would publically attack JFK for was if he recognized China - but it was good enough for him to do so a decade later, ironically after the cultural revolution.
Nixon was responsible for the horrible war criminal Kissinger, for the evil destruction of the democracy in Chile and installation of a terror regime for the basest reasons of greed.
His Vietnam politices helped allow the destabalization of Cambodia and the rise of the monstrous Khmer Rouge, among other disasters.

You're right, I should have limited my foreign policy admiration to Detente. I had forgotten the Allende assassination and the many right-wing dictatorships his administration propped up in the name of "anti-communism". As I recall, Nixon and Henry the K also helped kick off OPEC when they suggested a way that the Shah of Iran could get money to fund his military buildup and secret police after Congress cut off funding.

Thanks. I'm not especially familiar with Nixon's contributions to detente, but I'm not aware of big problems with them, at least, and so did not mention it in my response of problems.

IMO, Detente began with JFK - after an extremely rocky beginning with Kruschev that nearly led to war more than once, they had come to be ready to pursue peace, with a big turning point being one of the most remarkable presidential speeches in History, given in June 1963, here.

Kruschev said when Kennedy was assassinated how terrible it was for the cause of world peace since the two of them had reached the readiness for peace. Kruschev understood (correctly) that no other American leader was going to have the same agenda. (Gorbachev similarly told Reagan a historic opportunity for nuclear arms reduction had been lost when Reagan listened to more conservative advisors and declined his offer.)

As a sidenote, Kruschev thought Nixon was an idiot; Nixon had been famous when in the Eisenhower administration during a casual brief chat with Kruschev at the 'Kitchen Debate' Nixon shook his finger in Kruschev's face, knowing the photo would look great back in the US papers as Nixon being a 'strong anti-communist', but it did little for 'detente'.

BTW, the 'debate' can be read here.

 

[Jschmuck2]

He was certainly no fan of the Jews.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
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Yes, it is all very incredible. But my friend, I am as serious as Alan Sokal.

k. I can relate to transformative hermeneutics of quantum gravity. But, I usually delve into it with an itch that needs to be satisfied. What's yours?

What is the point of this thread?

Originally posted by: Onceler
what is the biggest scandal,the only one I know of is Watergate where he had the democrats bugged(which they should be IMO

Unless he's lived in a cave for his entire life he should know what was wrong about Nixon's administration. It's taught in schools, referenced in media, there are books and films about it. The government issued legislation to preserve the Nixon tapes and make them available to the public. A quick look at wikipedia would satisfy his curiosity. Ooooh, but wait, he says that the democrats should be bugged. I get it then, Watergate wasn't a big deal because it's ok to spy on legitimate political parties.

This thread isn't about discussion or discourse. Oncler posts these threads and never comes back into to them. What does he want? People to come out and say that he's right, Watergate was a necessary and moral operation and Nixon was only brought down by those dastardly Democrats?