Can people shutup about class size

[Amplifier]

I don't know where to begin with these idiots... well maybe they aren't idiots, maybe they just want more money for their schools or less work for their teachers. It doesn't matter, just stop listening to people who say a reduction in class size leads to better grades.

Education majors routinely have lower standardized test scores than almost any other major. Why? Because they make comments like "class size matters"

Let me bring you back to your freshman comp sci class, if you went to a public college it was most likely pretty big (150+). But what about your individual attention how did you ever learn? You listened to the professor and if you had a problem you asked them, or went to a tutor. It's pretty much common knowledge to physics/math/comp sci majors that class size doesn't matter until you're in an extremely difficult subject. But when it comes to high school teachers they can't manage more than 16.4 students?

But wait amp I didn't read your post at all but smaller class sizes means more individual attention and that helps students who are young, hurrrrr.

Class size doesn't matter you dumb dumb people stop wasting our money with high school class sizes under 30. My message to high school teachers who can't teach more than 16.4 students: Stop sucking. It really isn't hard to teach 30 kids and average of one formula per week.

 

[Brainonska511]

One problem with HS students is they don't know when to just stfu and follow directions. When you throw 6 or 7 of these people into a classroom together, it can just fall apart.

Class sizes do matter to a degree, but it really depends on the subject being taught.

 

[GeekDrew]

Yes it is. There is a *huge* difference between high school and college. There is a huge number of kids that do not want to be in school at all, and are forced to be there, and thus disrupt class fairly frequently. There's not much the school can do about punishing them, because there would routinely be more students being punished than not. I disagree that every class needs more individual attention, but many do.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

They do matter.

If you had a small private school like Harvey Mudd since you're talking about engineering, you learn a lot better with 1 on 1 attention.

Come on, when you take a class with 200 other people, a lot of work comes from you. If you don't get something, you need to study it, you need to learn a lot of it yourself. THere's office hours and discussion sections, but that only helps so much.

Just because you survived public schools doesn't mean they're hte best way to educate people and doesn't mean we should have huge classes

 

[Amplifier]

Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

 

[poncherelli2]

Many professors have TAs to help with grading and such. There's also a big difference between a science/math class versus an english class where discussion is necessary and long papers need to be graded. I'm not advocating wasting money with ridiculously small classes where everyone gets individual attention, but the size depends greatly on the subject. I've taken a writing class that was capped at 20 people and a chemistry class that had a few hundred people. I would have learned pretty much the same with 20 people in my chem class, but far less with several hundred in my writing class.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

AHAHAHA ALL YOUR POSTS ARE BLATANT FLAMEBAITS.



So there.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

WTF?

LOL - some of them also have backasswards governments, non-existant human rights, and a plethora of other issues. But I guess if we change to be just like them, our children will become smarter, eh?

No, making all classes to have a maximum of X amount of students will not "magically" solve our education issues, but your "logic" is about as fvcked up as you can get. Correlation does not equal causation - ever hear of that one? Perhaps you should consider some Community College courses on "How to Not Argue Like a Dumbass."

 

[AreaCode707]

Obviously you've never been in a disruptive and rude class. A class of 16 is going to have few enough of these kids that you can discipline or remove them from the class. A class of 40 is going to be over by the time you get the disruptive ones either out or quiet.

*shrug* I think high schools are day care for teenagers anyway. Should be divided up between kids doing college prep and kids doing real life prep, instead of trying to mix the two and educate all to a test taking methodology.

 

[esun]

Smaller class sizes can certainly help. But nothing will fix having bad teachers. I'd rather double class sizes while doubling the quality of professors than go in the opposite direction.

 

[AbAbber2k]

I think it's more of an issue in HS than in College. 😛

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

WTF?

LOL - some of them also have backasswards governments, non-existant human rights, and a plethora of other issues. But I guess if we change to be just like them, our children will become smarter, eh?

No, making all classes to have a maximum of X amount of students will not "magically" solve our education issues, but your "logic" is about as fvcked up as you can get. Correlation does not equal causation - ever hear of that one? Perhaps you should consider some Community College courses on "How to Not Argue Like a Dumbass."

yeah that has nothing to do with education it's funny how much of a troll you are

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
One problem with HS students is they don't know when to just stfu and follow directions. When you throw 6 or 7 of these people into a classroom together, it can just fall apart.

Class sizes do matter to a degree, but it really depends on the subject being taught.

What it REALLY depends on is the teacher doing the teaching...

But there's never any way to benchmark that, so everyone uses much less-relavent content.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: esun
Smaller class sizes can certainly help. But nothing will fix having bad teachers. I'd rather double class sizes while doubling the quality of professors than go in the opposite direction.

I think that the quality of the teahcer definitely needs to improve as well, in many cases.

The problem that will result (and is already apparent) is finding teachers to do the job. Many schools do not have the money to pay their teachers a reasonable salary as it is... why do you think that they'll be able to find people that actually know what they're doing, and still convince them to work for the same pittance of a salary?

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

Schools in Asia (or from my experience, Taiwan), largely bring every kid up to the same standard, which is probably a little higher than that of the United States because teachers are allowed to hit their students. However, schools in the United States give students the ability to determine their own paths, and if one is motivated enough, to excell to a level much higher than their peers or counterparts in Asia. This is why the top institutions in the United States are arguably the best in the world. On the flipside, unmotivated students get exactly what they put into the education system.

It's a pretty interesting tradeoff, and even though people tend to focus on the negatives of the system, there is definitely a reason why the United States' population is largely so well educated (relatively), especially for such a huge nation. If you look at the segment that is not as well educated, they are largely from those that have not been around quite as long, or from extremely crime-infested areas (defintiely the exception).

 

[phisrow]

It sounds like you haven't ever had a small class, with a good teacher, in the humanities or philosophy. If all you are going to do is pound out problem sets and fill in scantron bubbles, it doesn't much matter; but the difference between handing in a paper and getting two lines from an overworked TA, followed by a grade, and meeting with the professor, discussing, going through drafts, handing in the paper, and getting back a couple pages of considered comment is considerable.

 

[0roo0roo]

what are the class sizes in the top performing countries...

 

[cKGunslinger]

LOL? I'm trolling here? :laugh:

You're trying too hard, bub. Tone is down a notch or two. Everyone that has posted has given you sensible arguments as to how class size may have an effect on teaching and learning ability, yet you feel the need to try and mock and belittle them all with you over-inflated ego of all-knowing jackassery.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hey education masters, the schools in Europe and Korea that are destroying our kids have class sizes over 40.

I didn't think I'd have to point that out but whatever

In korea, it could be a class size of 10,000 and all the kids would be forced by competition/parents to learn it all themselves

 

[JinLien]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
One problem with HS students is they don't know when to just stfu and follow directions. When you throw 6 or 7 of these people into a classroom together, it can just fall apart.

Class sizes do matter to a degree, but it really depends on the subject being taught.

What he said.

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

LOL - some of them also have backasswards governments, non-existant human rights, and a plethora of other issues. But I guess if we change to be just like them, our children will become smarter, eh?

nothing to do with education

No, making all classes to have a maximum of X amount of students will not "magically" solve our education issues, but your "logic" is about as fvcked up as you can get. Correlation does not equal causation - ever hear of that one?

generic quote, contentless post. obviously if other countries out perform americans with double and triple the class sizes, then class size isn't important. but that's not obvious to you.

Perhaps you should consider some Community College courses on "How to Not Argue Like a Dumbass."

and a random trolling post for good measure. by the way, if anyone in here went to a community colelge to save money, this elitist called you a dumbass

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Perhaps you should consider some Community College courses on "How to Not Argue Like a Dumbass."

and a random trolling post for good measure. by the way, if anyone in here went to a community colelge to save money, this elitist called you a dumbass

Might I also recommend DeVry's "Reading Comprehension for Complete and Total Fvcktard Idiots" as well? :thumbsup:

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
obviously if other countries out perform americans with double and triple the class sizes, then class size isn't important. but that's not obvious to you.

No, that is *not* the only factor in the equation. If you want large classes, then many other things have to change as well, including teacher education, PARENTS GIVING A CRAP, and society's general emphasis on education.

There's no way that large classes would work given today's society in the USA.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

LOL - some of them also have backasswards governments, non-existant human rights, and a plethora of other issues. But I guess if we change to be just like them, our children will become smarter, eh?

nothing to do with education

No, making all classes to have a maximum of X amount of students will not "magically" solve our education issues, but your "logic" is about as fvcked up as you can get. Correlation does not equal causation - ever hear of that one?

generic quote, contentless post. obviously if other countries out perform americans with double and triple the class sizes, then class size isn't important. but that's not obvious to you.

Perhaps you should consider some Community College courses on "How to Not Argue Like a Dumbass."

and a random trolling post for good measure. by the way, if anyone in here went to a community colelge to save money, this elitist called you a dumbass

Actually, he didn't do that in any way, shape or form.

 

[gopunk]

you take a kid, i'll take one. same background, iq. you put your kid in a class of 100, and i'll get my kid a private tutor. we'll see which one gets a better grade.