0roo0roo
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-acting
"Sex advice columnist Dan Savage commented on the popularity of the term "straight-acting" in gay personal ads, criticizing both the practice and the idea that a man seeking a gay relationship through a gay personal ad is acting straight.[4] Use of the term itself has been labeled as damaging to the LGBT community, as it associates certain attributes with homosexuality.[3]"
lol
"Sex advice columnist Dan Savage commented on the popularity of the term "straight-acting" in gay personal ads, criticizing both the practice and the idea that a man seeking a gay relationship through a gay personal ad is acting straight.[4] Use of the term itself has been labeled as damaging to the LGBT community, as it associates certain attributes with homosexuality.[3]"
lol
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: barfo
I'm genuinely curious because they don't seem to me much into these things (for the record, neither am I).
And I just saw there's another gay thread today
any time someone starts one of these threads it inevitably leads to bringing out the homophobes who will then proceed to throw out insults.
Well, hopefully some of them get banned.
GeekDrew
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Did you really mean "open", or did you mean "flaunting"? I'm open to discussing my sexuality with just about anyone that is truly interested, and have been out of the closet for almost 10 years - I've not really kept it a secret in a long time. All of my immediate coworkers know, but those in other offices don't... I don't flaunt it, and those that do know have indicated that they were surprised when they found out.
0roo0roo
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That's interesting, I guess I can't tell straight and gay apart unless they're stereotyped, because you don't usually ask a guy (or girl, for that matter) about his sexual preference.
So how did you find out all these people you mentioned are homosexual? does the gaydar actually exist or did you meet them in a bar, or what?
BoomerD
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Three gay guys were sitting around Starbucks one day discussing the "Ideal Job for Homosexual Men."
The first guy says he believes that Interior Decorating is the ideal job. "You go into people's houses and get to express your taste and designs.
The next gay says he believes that being a Hair Stylist is the ideal job. "You can work magic with women's hair and can be as much of a Queen as you wish."
The third guy thinks for a couple of minutes and says, "I think being a professional Baseball Pitcher would be the idea job for a gay man.."
His companions look at him, astounded. "Baseball? How the hell is that a profession for gay men?"
"Well," he says, "It's the bottom of the ninth, bases are loaded, 3 balls, 2 strikes, and I walk around on the pitcher's mound...rubbing my arm, watching the runners, eyeing the batter, and some fan in the stands hollers "Hurry and throw the ball you beautiful being!"...and that's what I want. Public recognition."
The first guy says he believes that Interior Decorating is the ideal job. "You go into people's houses and get to express your taste and designs.
The next gay says he believes that being a Hair Stylist is the ideal job. "You can work magic with women's hair and can be as much of a Queen as you wish."
The third guy thinks for a couple of minutes and says, "I think being a professional Baseball Pitcher would be the idea job for a gay man.."
His companions look at him, astounded. "Baseball? How the hell is that a profession for gay men?"
"Well," he says, "It's the bottom of the ninth, bases are loaded, 3 balls, 2 strikes, and I walk around on the pitcher's mound...rubbing my arm, watching the runners, eyeing the batter, and some fan in the stands hollers "Hurry and throw the ball you beautiful being!"...and that's what I want. Public recognition."
zinfamous
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from my experience, it mostly comes down to being good at what you do. More often than not, it seems, even the most bigoted community will accept an outsider if that respect is there.
Another factor is that stereotypes follow on both sides. It's easy to assume that a rural farm community will be less tolerant of different folks, but that really isn't the case. I think a more accurate stereotype is that such communities are more concerned with the community as a whole, their individual lives and success.
zinfamous
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Originally posted by: destrekor
well no offense to any, but seriously... some I'd barely call men, other than the physical parts mind you.
But the gays or bi's that are built like beasts, have the typical male interests (doesn't have to be macho. i've known muscular friends, and while I am not quite the level of muscular but same category, who all enjoy tech and computers. all the same).
What I'm saying by that, I don't care what someone chooses to want to prefer in bed (on an animal level, I do deeply care, but not on a social level, and hell... some strange natural form of population control in large primate populations? whatever
makes sense, b/c you clearly don't understand gayness.
destrekor
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: destrekor
well no offense to any, but seriously... some I'd barely call men, other than the physical parts mind you.
But the gays or bi's that are built like beasts, have the typical male interests (doesn't have to be macho. i've known muscular friends, and while I am not quite the level of muscular but same category, who all enjoy tech and computers. all the same).
What I'm saying by that, I don't care what someone chooses to want to prefer in bed (on an animal level, I do deeply care, but not on a social level, and hell... some strange natural form of population control in large primate populations? whatever
makes sense, b/c you clearly don't understand gayness.
you killed the context. I did not, at all, mean "I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay", because for some it's just not much of a choice - either you accept your genetic makeup and come out of the closet, or you live in denial your whole life, attempting to do everything possible to live a normal life out of fear of the possible shame. I won't get into that part though, because that's not at all what this is about.
Because clearly, you read the whole sentence, and it makes sense.
"I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay, and going after a gay guy that's more feminine that most women."
Is that not as clear to you as it is in my head? I agree, sometimes things sound more clear to me when typing, then someone points out that it is not, and I will re-read it and say... wow, they were right.
That doesn't hold up in this case though. Still sounds clear. But I'll explain, and maybe come up with a better sentence.
See, being a homosexual means you are attracted to, and would rather share "love" with other guys, we agree there, yes? (boiled down and simplified, could be explained in more depth, but we get the point)
Now see, take that concept... and now the next half of the sentence. A guy, that likes guys, attracted to a male that's far more feminine that most females.
Yes, you can still argue "I don't get gayness". I've been around gays, have had friends that ended up being gay. There's more to it than masculinity or feminine traits, I wholly agree. And that's just why I said "baffling". It wasn't to say "oh... this makes no sense whatsoever! these people are idiots!", but rather... it's just a little ironic and, well... baffling.
Clear that up?
n yusef
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Originally posted by: destrekor
you killed the context. I did not, at all, mean "I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay", because for some it's just not much of a choice - either you accept your genetic makeup and come out of the closet, or you live in denial your whole life, attempting to do everything possible to live a normal life out of fear of the possible shame. I won't get into that part though, because that's not at all what this is about.
Because clearly, you read the whole sentence, and it makes sense.
"I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay, and going after a gay guy that's more feminine that most women."
Is that not as clear to you as it is in my head? I agree, sometimes things sound more clear to me when typing, then someone points out that it is not, and I will re-read it and say... wow, they were right.
That doesn't hold up in this case though. Still sounds clear. But I'll explain, and maybe come up with a better sentence.
See, being a homosexual means you are attracted to, and would rather share "love" with other guys, we agree there, yes? (boiled down and simplified, could be explained in more depth, but we get the point)
Now see, take that concept... and now the next half of the sentence. A guy, that likes guys, attracted to a male that's far more feminine that most females.
Yes, you can still argue "I don't get gayness". I've been around gays, have had friends that ended up being gay. There's more to it than masculinity or feminine traits, I wholly agree. And that's just why I said "baffling". It wasn't to say "oh... this makes no sense whatsoever! these people are idiots!", but rather... it's just a little ironic and, well... baffling.
Clear that up?
zinfamous is correct: you don't understand gayness. You understand the physiological characteristic that is homosexuality, but I don't think you understand gay culture. To me, being queer doesn't just describe what gender I am attracted to, it also describes my rejection of mainstream (heteronormative) concepts of gender and sexuality. Attraction to people of the same gender as oneself is such great deviation from societal expectations of gender that other deviations (like a man who is into fashion) seem minor in comparison. In this sense, gayness provides freedom to act in ways that are not socially acceptable in heterosexual society. This includes feminine men and masculine women, and attraction to them.
You don't understand gayness because you don't understand the gay culture that accompanies the human characteristic.
it takes all kinds. /shrug
I don't see it as being really fundamentally different than breeder sex symbols who lean towards being more masculine than most guys (Kathleen Turner, Katee Sackhoff, Angelina Jolie, and Lucy Lawless all immediately jump to mind)
at the end of the day, who's to say where attraction comes from? you can't always neatly pigeonhole it into clear cut categories.
destrekor
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Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: destrekor
you killed the context. I did not, at all, mean "I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay", because for some it's just not much of a choice - either you accept your genetic makeup and come out of the closet, or you live in denial your whole life, attempting to do everything possible to live a normal life out of fear of the possible shame. I won't get into that part though, because that's not at all what this is about.
Because clearly, you read the whole sentence, and it makes sense.
"I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay, and going after a gay guy that's more feminine that most women."
Is that not as clear to you as it is in my head? I agree, sometimes things sound more clear to me when typing, then someone points out that it is not, and I will re-read it and say... wow, they were right.
That doesn't hold up in this case though. Still sounds clear. But I'll explain, and maybe come up with a better sentence.
See, being a homosexual means you are attracted to, and would rather share "love" with other guys, we agree there, yes? (boiled down and simplified, could be explained in more depth, but we get the point)
Now see, take that concept... and now the next half of the sentence. A guy, that likes guys, attracted to a male that's far more feminine that most females.
Yes, you can still argue "I don't get gayness". I've been around gays, have had friends that ended up being gay. There's more to it than masculinity or feminine traits, I wholly agree. And that's just why I said "baffling". It wasn't to say "oh... this makes no sense whatsoever! these people are idiots!", but rather... it's just a little ironic and, well... baffling.
Clear that up?
zinfamous is correct: you don't understand gayness. You understand the physiological characteristic that is homosexuality, but I don't think you understand gay culture. To me, being queer doesn't just describe what gender I am attracted to, it also describes my rejection of mainstream (heteronormative) concepts of gender and sexuality. Attraction to people of the same gender as oneself is such great deviation from societal expectations of gender that other deviations (like a man who is into fashion) seem minor in comparison. In this sense, gayness provides freedom to act in ways that are not socially acceptable in heterosexual society. This includes feminine men and masculine women, and attraction to them.
You don't understand gayness because you don't understand the gay culture that accompanies the human characteristic.
So being gay is a way to be a non-conformist? Oh that's a revelation. But guess what. You're conforming with other non-conformists. Thus, you are really a conformist. Ha!
You're right. If that is gay culture (which I'd argue it is most certainly not for all gays, just maybe the ones who do all the gay rallies and wave around their gayness every chance they get), then I most certainly don't get it. And am glad. Because the whole non-conformism bullshit is well, just that... bullshit. It's retarded and utterly immature as an individual to just go out of the way to rebel against society. Sure, it might be hip, and cool... but maybe that's just my view on all that rebel angst. I'm a realist, pessimist, and a general jackass when it comes to my opinions of civilization and progress. And yet I STILL don't get the angst. Maybe it's because I've found my own ways to "rebel" and yet still just go with the flow. Because I just don't care. Life's a bitch, never going to change, just roll with it, make a kid or two, and get life over with.
But whatever, I guess one of the things I'll always fight for is the right to rebel and show all the angst everyone can muster - it's something we all have that right to do peacefully, and I'll do what I can to maintain such rights.
GeekDrew
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Originally posted by: destrekor
So being gay is a way to be a non-conformist? Oh that's a revelation. But guess what. You're conforming with other non-conformists. Thus, you are really a conformist. Ha!
He may associate homosexuality with non-conformist theory, and others may as well, but for a lot of guys, it's nothing more than sexual orientation.
Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: destrekor
you killed the context. I did not, at all, mean "I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay", because for some it's just not much of a choice - either you accept your genetic makeup and come out of the closet, or you live in denial your whole life, attempting to do everything possible to live a normal life out of fear of the possible shame. I won't get into that part though, because that's not at all what this is about.
Because clearly, you read the whole sentence, and it makes sense.
"I don't get the idea of wanting to be gay, and going after a gay guy that's more feminine that most women."
Is that not as clear to you as it is in my head? I agree, sometimes things sound more clear to me when typing, then someone points out that it is not, and I will re-read it and say... wow, they were right.
That doesn't hold up in this case though. Still sounds clear. But I'll explain, and maybe come up with a better sentence.
See, being a homosexual means you are attracted to, and would rather share "love" with other guys, we agree there, yes? (boiled down and simplified, could be explained in more depth, but we get the point)
Now see, take that concept... and now the next half of the sentence. A guy, that likes guys, attracted to a male that's far more feminine that most females.
Yes, you can still argue "I don't get gayness". I've been around gays, have had friends that ended up being gay. There's more to it than masculinity or feminine traits, I wholly agree. And that's just why I said "baffling". It wasn't to say "oh... this makes no sense whatsoever! these people are idiots!", but rather... it's just a little ironic and, well... baffling.
Clear that up?
zinfamous is correct: you don't understand gayness. You understand the physiological characteristic that is homosexuality, but I don't think you understand gay culture. To me, being queer doesn't just describe what gender I am attracted to, it also describes my rejection of mainstream (heteronormative) concepts of gender and sexuality. Attraction to people of the same gender as oneself is such great deviation from societal expectations of gender that other deviations (like a man who is into fashion) seem minor in comparison. In this sense, gayness provides freedom to act in ways that are not socially acceptable in heterosexual society. This includes feminine men and masculine women, and attraction to them.
You don't understand gayness because you don't understand the gay culture that accompanies the human characteristic.
I think that's bullshit created by an members of an oppressed group to allow themselves to feel special. Being gay doesn't automatically make you more enlightened then us boring heterosexuals. It just means you like to have sex with members of the same gender. I find there to be absolutely nothing wrong with that and have done my part to help the community fight for civil right.. But that bullshit about "Rejection the expectation of gender" bullshit - you are not more enlightened because you like the cock. You are not less enlightened either.
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