Can gays be into macho stuff?

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: destrekor
So being gay is a way to be a non-conformist? Oh that's a revelation. But guess what. You're conforming with other non-conformists. Thus, you are really a conformist. Ha!

He may associate homosexuality with non-conformist theory, and others may as well, but for a lot of guys, it's nothing more than sexual orientation.

I wholly agree, and that's why I kind of called him out on that. It may very well be apart of some of the pride culture, but it isn't for many. The closet ones, the ones who just want to live their life the way they know how, or even the ones who are blatant and flamboyant but otherwise don't go crazy with it... it's just life for them. Some are born with it I feel, and others may choose it for a reason I may not understand (nobody likely does - and still may relate back to being born with genetics that kind of lead your mind to sway that direction).

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I've only known a handful of gays. But all of them were normal before a summer vacation in high school. Then something happend that caused their voices to raise their hand motions to become all odd and their maturity to regress to that of a 14 year old girl.

I have yet to meet someone who was gay that I did not suspect was gay. I'm assuming there is something about being gay that changes you in every single way.

I think you're interpretting this incorrectly. Maybe coming out didn't make these men feminine, but that they always were, and repressed their femininity just like they repressed their sexuality. Instead of seeing fem as persona and butch ("regular") as natural, maybe fem is natural and butch is persona, for the men you know.

So their voices cracked and deepened because they were trying to cover it. It magically got 3 octaves higher because they could finally come out?

 

[n yusef]

@swbsam and destrekor

There is a distinct LGBT culture, and an aspect of this culture is the rejection of mainstream gender rolls. Every queer person is different, and many of them are not part of this culture or do not agree with it. You don't have to agree with this aspect of LGBT culture. You can label this nonconformity and laugh at the irony therein, or psuedo-enlightenment and take umbrage at this elitism.

The fact remains, there is a culture that accompanies homosexuality, and fem guys and butch women are aspects of this culture. Their existence is enabled by certain nonconformist and psuedo-enlightenment concepts of gender.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: destrekor
So being gay is a way to be a non-conformist? Oh that's a revelation. But guess what. You're conforming with other non-conformists. Thus, you are really a conformist. Ha!

He may associate homosexuality with non-conformist theory, and others may as well, but for a lot of guys, it's nothing more than sexual orientation.

I'm not saying that queer culture is inherent to homosexuality. I acknowledge that culture and sexuality can be and are divorced. I'm just saying that they are related, and that fem guys and butch women are aspects of LGBT culture.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: loki8481

If that is gay culture (which I'd argue it is most certainly not for all gays, just maybe the ones who do all the gay rallies and wave around their gayness every chance they get), then I most certainly don't get it.

pride parades are fun :beer:

And I respect your desire to be open. However, if you don't mind me asking... do you feel you chose that life as more of a way to rebel against society, or do you just enjoy a parade because it's a place you can have fun and be with many who either share the same life or readily accept you for your ways?

Believe me, all of what I have said here... I mean absolutely no disrespect for an individual who wants to be who they are at heart. In fact, I fully respect that and applaud that, because anyone who has the courage to peacefully wear their heart on their sleeve, is immediately respectable imho.

Now, granted, I can say that and still not quite accept such beliefs, but that's only human. I'm not one to be accepting to everything I come across, but I will respect it. Respect, imho, it far more important than fully accepting. And what I mean by that, in respect I can hold a conversation, not be uneasy, and if someone meets the characteristics of what I'd want in a friend, well friendship is possible.
By accepting, I mean... even through all that, I might still in my heart feel that it is just wrong. Not wrong to respect, but just the beliefs of that person just don't please me.
I have great friends, my best friends even, I wholly respect and would do nearly anything for, and yet I might still not accept some of their beliefs or choices.

Can you understand and respect that? And is that offensive in any way?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: GeekDrew
:roll: Off of the top of my head, I know three general contractors that are gay, two auto mechanics, several law enforcement officers and firemen, a few financial auditors, a personal gym trainer, a bartender, a couple of machinists, a couple warehouse managers, and more IT-related than I can count. None of them talk with a lisp or are any more effeminate than the average straight guy.

you're missing the Indian chief and the sailor.

...what

/facepalm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VillagePeople1978.jpg

lol i had no idea.

:laugh:

:beer:

 

[DVad3r]

Yes.

 

[onlyCOpunk]

I own a drill. I enjoy drinking beer en masse. I love watching baseball. I also enjoy Rugby Union, League, and AFL. I don't mind getting my hands dirty. I like cop drama shows, I do a lot of man orientated things maybe because I'm a man with a penis and as such I have testosterone.

Tell me what's not masculine about two musclebound hairy men groaning and grunting in hot passionate love sex?