Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

[bshole]

Kind of makes one choice seem much better than the other, doesn't it?

Well thats the rub isn't it? Since evidence is not required, you have no way of knowing if you selected the correct version of Christianity. Go on to YouTube and watch the different Christian sects debating, each side using Bible verses to prove that the other side is going to hell.

Here are two Christian sects using the Bible to prove that the other side is going to hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HhD49s2_qE

Here is a completely different Christian sect claiming that one of the debaters above is going to hell
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mattslick.htm

When evidence is not required for belief, how do you know that you won't spend eternity in hell burning for believing the wrong thing? Given the number of completely incompatible sects all using the same Bible, you have entirely too much confidence in the brain God gave you. You have no idea if God has hardened your heart and caused you to believe the wrong doctrine..... God apparently enjoys doing that to humans.

 

[bshole]

This thread has merit. It shows that most people have real hate here. Well the Christians are already here. Let's ban the Muslims from coming in because they tend to be devout. I mean let's be fair and join in with Trump and hate them too. Fair is fair.

What enlightenment we find here.

Yea we are supposed to respect people who tell us we are going to burn in hell for eternity. We aren't supposed to be offended by that assertion.

 

[MajinCry]

Yea we are supposed to respect people who tell us we are going to burn in hell for eternity. We aren't supposed to be offended by that assertion.

Those poor Christians who suffer unparalleled persecution. How dare they be held accountable for what they say and do. A right injustice of the highest order.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

People tend to forget, God is not only the final arbiter, he is the sole arbiter. It is the height of hubris to declare someone is going to hell because they do not believe what you do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What world do you live in where "your ideas are nonsense" equals "you don't have a right to be here"?

In a world where there such hatred why should we believe that it is self limiting? Granted it's expressed against Christians more than any group here but there is some Muslim bashing. Hatred is a wondrous thing in that one never knows where it will end. I'm not impressed with it, but some hold it near and dear. That's life I guess.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yea we are supposed to respect people who tell us we are going to burn in hell for eternity. We aren't supposed to be offended by that assertion.

Don't like it then. Don't agree at all in fact. If you have enough spare hate then that is your business but don't expect applause. Christians worth the name will leave punishment to God. That does not mean they must accept, but they have to tolerate, just like you.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

In a world where there such hatred why should we believe that it is self limiting? Granted it's expressed against Christians more than any group here but there is some Muslim bashing. Hatred is a wondrous thing in that one never knows where it will end. I'm not impressed with it, but some hold it near and dear. That's life I guess.

I think you and the rest of the Christians need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identity. It isn't our fault that you've wrapped up your identity so much into your religion that you can't withstand an attack on those ideas without feeling personally attacked.

It's a handy perk that when your ideas are actually backed up by reason and evidence you don't have to tie your identity to it. The ideas stand on their own according to reality.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Christians worth the name will leave punishment to God.

My kingdom for that to be true one day.

Perhaps your energies would be better directed away from the motes of dust in others' eyes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think you and the rest of the Christians need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identity. It isn't our fault that you've wrapped up your identity so much into your religion that you can't withstand an attack on those ideas without feeling personally attacked.

It's a handy perk that when your ideas are actually backed up by reason and evidence you don't have to tie your identity to it. The ideas stand on their own according to reality.

What I realize is that you have no idea what I believe. You are actually inconsequential to my way of thinking, another person who needs to hate someone different. Now that's your business but if someone were to apply to you for a job and mentioned they were a Christian that you would discriminate against them. Perhaps I'm wrong but you and others have certainly have enough real hate. I despise bigotry. You embrace it, unless you saying my hating your hatred constitutes that and we can all have a good laugh all around.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I think you and the rest of the Christians need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identity. It isn't our fault that you've wrapped up your identity so much into your religion that you can't withstand an attack on those ideas without feeling personally attacked.

It's a handy perk that when your ideas are actually backed up by reason and evidence you don't have to tie your identity to it. The ideas stand on their own according to reality.

My goodness you're a miserable person. God loves you and there's not a darn thing you can do about it. :-D

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My kingdom for that to be true one day.

Perhaps your energies would be better directed away from the motes of dust in others' eyes.

I don't abide that either.

 

[sandorski]

My goodness you're a miserable person. God loves you and there's not a darn thing you can do about it. :-D

Is he wrong though?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Is he wrong though?

Yes, I believe he is but, the only one qualified to use truth with a capital T is God.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Yes, I believe he is but, the only one qualified to use truth with a capital T is God.

Who?

It's awful easy to "win" an argument when you decide to invoke a magical trump card that only you believe in. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

My goodness you're a miserable person.

That seems like something a miserable person would say.

God loves you and there's not a darn thing you can do about it. :-D

Who?

 

[sandorski]

Yes, I believe he is but, the only one qualified to use truth with a capital T is God.

So Believers don't take offense attacks on "God"? Why do Believers use "Truth" then? For that matter, why doesn't "God" just register to the forums and speak for itself?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Is he wrong though?

My ideas are my identy. What I think, believe and feel are the only things what matter because they determine what good or ill I do. "I" am my identy, not some physical traits used by others to define me.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think you and the rest of the Christians need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identity. It isn't our fault that you've wrapped up your identity so much into your religion that you can't withstand an attack on those ideas without feeling personally attacked.

It's a handy perk that when your ideas are actually backed up by reason and evidence you don't have to tie your identity to it. The ideas stand on their own according to reality.

I think you and the rest of the atheist flies that are always attracted to these religious threads need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identities. It isn't believer's fault that your so magnetized by the subject of the beliefs of others that you inevitably show up to insult them. What do you think that says about your confidence in your position? When you come home from every one of these threads with blood on your hands it should tell you that you have issues. You're like a punk that picks the weakest Christian in the sand box to kick in the face. Where is heaven, where is your proof of God. Show the blind man the color red. Right...... Hehehe

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

What I realize is that you have no idea what I believe.

But I do. You've stated them plainly in this very thread. Weren't you paying attention when you were writing your own words?

You are actually inconsequential to my way of thinking,

Do you make a habit of arguing against inconsequential people?

another person who needs to hate someone different.

I don't hate people. I hate ideas that lack basis in reality. There's a really easy way to avoid coming under my criticism. I'll leave it as an exercise to you to figure out how.

Now that's your business but if someone were to apply to you for a job and mentioned they were a Christian that you would discriminate against them.

Fuck you. Take that bullshit slanderous accusation back, because it is completely untrue. For someone who is so eager to claim I know not what you believe, you are taking no cautions assuming the things that I believe and would do. Fuck right off with that shit, dick.

Perhaps I'm wrong but you and others have certainly have enough real hate. I despise bigotry. You embrace it, unless you saying my hating your hatred constitutes that and we can all have a good laugh all around.

I repeat: you need to learn the difference between ideas and persons.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Who?

It's awful easy to "win" an argument when you decide to invoke a magical trump card that only you believe in. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Oh, I think I have a few other believers around. In fact, outside of ATOT/P&N, we're a major group if not a majority.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think you and the rest of the atheist flies that are always attracted to these religious threads need to grow up and realize that your ideas are not your identities.

OMG THATS SO CLEVER. YOU JUST POSTED MY OWN ARGUMENT BACK TO ME LIKE OMG NOBODY EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Oh, I think I have a few other believers around. In fact, outside of ATOT/P&N, we're a major group if not a majority.

...and? That's all you got? "My delusion is shared by lots of people"?

Ooooooookay.....

 

[sandorski]

My ideas are my identy. What I think, believe and feel are the only things what matter because they determine what good or ill I do. "I" am my identy, not some physical traits used by others to define me.

Fair enough.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

...and? That's all you got? "My delusion is shared by lots of people"?

Ooooooookay.....

God certainly doesn't need me to defend him. I would like you to review this thread and count how many derogatory, belittling, offensive posts were made by logic loving atheists versus us believers.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Yes, I believe he is but, the only one qualified to use truth with a capital T is God.

And the only person qualified to use Mjölnir with an umlaut is Thor.