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Can anyone really claim gender bias in the workplace anymore?

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Blanky said:
Well ragging about it and chatting all day about gluten and vampire diaries isn't helping, geeze!
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I work in software dev.

I went to a meeting this morning. 6 guys in the room, and only one had a donut. Two people cited weight concerns. Today's post-meeting water cooler chitchat mostly revolved around children and wives, as usual.

I took the afternoon off to get my car's axle replaced. The owner and senior mechanic were discussing the pros and cons of low calorie beer, and how it fits into their diets.

I am increasingly coming to the realization that men are women with dicks.
 
BoberFett said:
You can always tell who's never been a manager. ^^^
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If you tell me that you don't know of any useless managers, then you're either lying or part of the problem.

The difference between useless managers and useless workers is that useless workers eventually get fired (as they should). Useless managers get transferred, or even promoted.
 
jagec said:
If you tell me that you don't know of any useless managers, then you're either lying or part of the problem.

The difference between useless managers and useless workers is that useless workers eventually get fired (as they should). Useless managers get transferred, or even promoted.
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Can go both ways, if you're a useless worker, you can get promoted to become a useless manager that then gets promoted. "how" said useless peasant gets promoted may be questionable, but it sure does happen.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Bober you also think poverty is self selected so, your bias is already known.
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Good thing I didn't get cursed by the poverty fairy!

I always thought it was because I strive to better myself whenever I can, don't waste my money on things I can't afford and save money for a rainy day.

Turns out it just happens to you, who'd have thunk it.
 
dave_the_nerd said:
I work in software dev.

I went to a meeting this morning. 6 guys in the room, and only one had a donut. Two people cited weight concerns. Today's post-meeting water cooler chitchat mostly revolved around children and wives, as usual.

I took the afternoon off to get my car's axle replaced. The owner and senior mechanic were discussing the pros and cons of low calorie beer, and how it fits into their diets.

I am increasingly coming to the realization that men are women with dicks.
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I met a friends daughters fiance the other day, nice bloke but he blatantly had makeup on (the stuff women wear to even their skin tone, i think it is called foundation). This world is insane.
 
One point I am absolutely certain of, having the government set wages would be worse, and there is no half step in "equal pay".
 
Just to throw this anecdote into the ring as well... I have heard a startling number of women confess to getting pregnant, and then taking the full maternity leave knowing full well that they weren't coming back to the company. So essentially, they are taking 3 months off at reduced pay from a company expecting them to come back and work.

Really quite shady in my book and would make me quite upset knowing a woman did this to me if I owned a company. I understand this is a law but I would consider this part of the issue at hand of women 'making less' than men.
 
Gender bias...yep.
There is only one male in my division that is not in a management role. All of the worker drones are female with the exception of this lone male. 23:1 ratio.
So there is a gender bias towards women.
 
VtPC83 said:
Just to throw this anecdote into the ring as well... I have heard a startling number of women confess to getting pregnant, and then taking the full maternity leave knowing full well that they weren't coming back to the company. So essentially, they are taking 3 months off at reduced pay from a company expecting them to come back and work.

Really quite shady in my book and would make me quite upset knowing a woman did this to me if I owned a company. I understand this is a law but I would consider this part of the issue at hand of women 'making less' than men.
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There are plenty of people that take advantage of the system, you can't blame an entire gender for that shit... it's all the individual that makes that call. Around here it's standard practice when somebody retires that they end up having some sort of procedure that puts them on short term disability for a while, and then they take their 5 weeks of vacation after they max out their short term. So a lot of people's retirement dates are a few months after their last day of work. This isn't something sprung on management either, we know full well they aren't coming back.
 
A management position opened up in a company I used to work for. Several of us applied, most very competent. We all went through the first round of interviews. The person doing the hiring specifically told me (before I applied) what the qualifications were. After the the first round, I was informed by said manager that though I was in the top 2, I would not be moving around to the second round. Why? Because there was a female candidate. They changed the job description and people who wouldn't have been qualified by the original description made it to the second round. Guess who got hired? I found after that she had help from HR writing her resume and was coached on how to interview for the position as well. This wasn't hearsay either. She actually told that to a friend of mine. She had also pretty much demanded to be put in a management position even though she had a track record of not doing work - pushing it off on other people with less experience and not mentoring them properly.

A year or so later, I needed to talk to her right after a meeting finished. I wanted her to reinforce a couple things with one of her engineers - not in a bad way, just to make sure we were delivering a coherent message. She kept trying to blow me off so I eventually lost my patience and dared to raise my voice a bit. She wound up delivering the EXACT OPPOSITE message to the engineer which sent him through the roof, so I had to go and smooth things over with him. But guess who had to apologize? What p*ssed me off further was that my boss kept making excuses for her when he ordered me to make the apology.

So yeah, there's gender bias at work.
 
I've seen it in IT... I feel like especially in entry-level positions, females usually have to work twice as hard as their male counterparts to be taken seriously.
 
gorcorps said:
There are plenty of people that take advantage of the system, you can't blame an entire gender for that shit... it's all the individual that makes that call. Around here it's standard practice when somebody retires that they end up having some sort of procedure that puts them on short term disability for a while, and then they take their 5 weeks of vacation after they max out their short term. So a lot of people's retirement dates are a few months after their last day of work. This isn't something sprung on management either, we know full well they aren't coming back.
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Retirement is entirely different, as a manger you know it is happening. What I am referring to is women not telling their workplace they are planning on leaving at the end of maternity. Like you said, it is just part of the the office environment.

My point is that this is clearly one of many reasons there is gender bias in the workplace, both good and bad. Managers have to think about women giving birth and taking time off and then possibly not coming back. That means losing out on the experience and training that the person initially had. Does it make a child-bearing age women slightly less viable in the eyes of a company, probably.
 
smackababy said:
Sounds exactly like hearsay to me. Testimony of the words of another... Perhaps, you weren't as qualified as you thought.
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Um, no. My friend (female) heard this directly from her - direct statement, right from the source. And my friend had no reason to make it up. In fact, she was incredulous that the woman in question actually confessed what happened. My saying it is hearsay. Her telling me isn't.
 
FerrelGeek said:
A management position opened up in a company I used to work for. Several of us applied, most very competent. We all went through the first round of interviews. The person doing the hiring specifically told me (before I applied) what the qualifications were. After the the first round, I was informed by said manager that though I was in the top 2, I would not be moving around to the second round. Why? Because there was a female candidate. They changed the job description and people who wouldn't have been qualified by the original description made it to the second round. Guess who got hired? I found after that she had help from HR writing her resume and was coached on how to interview for the position as well. This wasn't hearsay either. She actually told that to a friend of mine. She had also pretty much demanded to be put in a management position even though she had a track record of not doing work - pushing it off on other people with less experience and not mentoring them properly.

A year or so later, I needed to talk to her right after a meeting finished. I wanted her to reinforce a couple things with one of her engineers - not in a bad way, just to make sure we were delivering a coherent message. She kept trying to blow me off so I eventually lost my patience and dared to raise my voice a bit. She wound up delivering the EXACT OPPOSITE message to the engineer which sent him through the roof, so I had to go and smooth things over with him. But guess who had to apologize? What p*ssed me off further was that my boss kept making excuses for her when he ordered me to make the apology.

So yeah, there's gender bias at work.
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Be careful with people that provide "extra" services to those in hire places.

And don't try to make sense of it all.
 
FerrelGeek said:
Um, no. My friend (female) heard this directly from her - direct statement, right from the source. And my friend had no reason to make it up. In fact, she was incredulous that the woman in question actually confessed what happened. My saying it is hearsay. Her telling me isn't.
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hearsay: the report of another person's words by a witness, usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law. You are getting the report of another person's words. You did not hear them. Regardless of the credibility of your friend, it is hearsay. You did not hear the conversation. You were told it by someone who heard it.
 
SSSnail said:
Really. (If you're reading this from the middle east, your views might differ, I'm taking about the US)

I was having a conversation with someone and this topic came up. My position is that in today's society, women have as much opportunities for advancement and pay as men do. The differences in pay would be a direct result of qualifications, whether relevant degrees or experience are factored in.

I've never seen an ad where the listing states that women would be paid less than men for the same job, with the same quals. "Um Betty, we're going to have to pay you $40k less than what we listed in the ad because you know, you're a girl and all"...

Come at me, bros.
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The pay gap is a myth, but gender bias as far as discrimination is a very real thing.


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