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Conspiracy or coincidence?

During a Chrysler Group news conference Tuesday showcasing the Dodge Challenger concept, a General Motors Corp. truck drove by with two Chevrolet Camaro concepts in tow.

The original Challenger and Camaro were rivals in the 1970s. The Challenger returns in 2008; the Camaro in 2009.

After the cars crossed paths Tuesday morning on Woodward Avenue in Royal Oak, Jalopnik.com, a popular auto Web site, declared: "The Muscle Car Wars Are On!" The event took place just days before the Woodward Dream Cruise, a moving shrine to muscle and classic cars.

Jason Vines, Chrysler's head of communications, stoked the controversy with a quick reply on the Web site.

"Notice the two Challengers, including the concept-to-be-production-in-'08, drove into our event while the two Camaros had to be towed," Vines said.

The folks at GM claim they weren't trying to upstage the Challenger: The Camaro concepts were simply being moved between two scheduled appearances of their own on Woodward.

"It was completely coincidental," said Chevy spokesman Travis Parman.

And, yes, Mr. Vines, the Camaros can be driven, Parman responded. Under its own power, a Camaro was driven at Detroit's North American International Auto Show in January and an unveiling last week in Warren.

"We're happy to remind Jason Vines that the engine roared quite nicely," Parman said.

Vines wasn't buying it.

"They can say their lame stunt was an accident," he said.

The production Challenger still will be available to the public ahead of the Camaro, Vines added. Ford Motor Co., by the way, never abandoned the Mustang, its ever-present offering in this segment.

Isn't it nice, though, to see Detroit automakers bickering again about who has the best muscle car?

If the Challenger and Camaro concepts already are sparking controversy, just wait until the production versions arrive.
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RGN

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They are both hot. The Camero will have a better power to weight ratio.
 
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Mustang FTW

anyway, like the article said: it is good to see the domestic vehicles bickering about the cars again :)
 
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mustang :thumbsup: (the new one with 5.0 Boss power pushing out 390 hp that was on the cover of motortrend)
 
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The Camaro will have an LS2 or better, one of the best engines to come out of GM ever. The Hemi is cool, has a good name, but is not putting down the power to win. Then there is weight, the Challenger is expected to crush the scales in the 4200lbs+ range.
 
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Originally posted by: RGN
The Camaro will have an LS2 or better, one of the best engines to come out of GM ever. The Hemi is cool, has a good name, but is not putting down the power to win. Then there is weight, the Challenger is expected to crush the scales in the 4200lbs+ range.
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The Hemi has never been anything more than a name. Buick had superior motors back when the original Hemi was out for crying out loud. Also, the name "hemi" just means it has hemispherical heads. The Chevy 302's in the original Camaro had hemispherical heads as well. Nobody fussed about them.
 
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RGN

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino

The Hemi has never been anything more than a name. Buick had superior motors back when the original Hemi was out for crying out loud. Also, the name "hemi" just means it has hemispherical heads. The Chevy 302's in the original Camaro had hemispherical heads as well. Nobody fussed about them.
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+1 man!
 
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RGN

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Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Muscle Car Wars :thumbsup:
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Hellz yeah. I guess I should admit it. I drive a GTO, CHEVY FTMFW!

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RGN

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
GTO!

Oh, wait...
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Wait? Wait for what? A mustang to leave the line 1st so I can completely destroy his ego with a plain looking car?

:D
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: RGN
The Camaro will have an LS2 or better, one of the best engines to come out of GM ever. The Hemi is cool, has a good name, but is not putting down the power to win. Then there is weight, the Challenger is expected to crush the scales in the 4200lbs+ range.
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The Hemi has never been anything more than a name. Buick had superior motors back when the original Hemi was out for crying out loud. Also, the name "hemi" just means it has hemispherical heads. The Chevy 302's in the original Camaro had hemispherical heads as well. Nobody fussed about them.
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The following year, Kurtis Kraft came up with a highly tuned Hemi-powered Indianapolis roadster (in the 1952 definition) - and it was banned by race officials for being too fast.

Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, De Soto and Cunningham cars gave the Hemi engine a tremendous competition record. They won at Daytona, at Sebring, and in dozens of NASCAR races - Lee Petty and Buck Baker among the most famous champions to use Hemi engines in the latter championships.

In one session in 1953, a Dodge Hemi V8 set no fewer than 196 stock car records on the Bonneville Salt Flats. The all-but-legendary drag racer Don "Big Daddy" Garlits (still involved with Chrysler engines today) started using the Hemi in 1956, and among his notable results was the first 200mph quarter mile, in 1964, when his Chrysler-powered dragster bellowed to 201.34mph in 7.78 seconds.
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Please get the facts man!
 
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Originally posted by: NorthRiver
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: RGN
The Camaro will have an LS2 or better, one of the best engines to come out of GM ever. The Hemi is cool, has a good name, but is not putting down the power to win. Then there is weight, the Challenger is expected to crush the scales in the 4200lbs+ range.
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The Hemi has never been anything more than a name. Buick had superior motors back when the original Hemi was out for crying out loud. Also, the name "hemi" just means it has hemispherical heads. The Chevy 302's in the original Camaro had hemispherical heads as well. Nobody fussed about them.
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The following year, Kurtis Kraft came up with a highly tuned Hemi-powered Indianapolis roadster (in the 1952 definition) - and it was banned by race officials for being too fast.

Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, De Soto and Cunningham cars gave the Hemi engine a tremendous competition record. They won at Daytona, at Sebring, and in dozens of NASCAR races - Lee Petty and Buck Baker among the most famous champions to use Hemi engines in the latter championships.

In one session in 1953, a Dodge Hemi V8 set no fewer than 196 stock car records on the Bonneville Salt Flats. The all-but-legendary drag racer Don "Big Daddy" Garlits (still involved with Chrysler engines today) started using the Hemi in 1956, and among his notable results was the first 200mph quarter mile, in 1964, when his Chrysler-powered dragster bellowed to 201.34mph in 7.78 seconds.
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Please get the facts man!
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The Buick 455 was tested against the Hemi and it beat it. The only mistake I made was when I said "original" instead of "one of the originals".
 
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Originally posted by: kalster
2 bad both will probably look hella ugly
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lmao
we already know what both look like for the most part. you can make your decision now.
from the way it sounds, the camaro will look almost identical to the concept

and same with the challenger, since almost every single daimler chrysler concept that made it to production looks indentical or 99% like the concept. the dodge folk have already said the production challenger is going to look nearly 100% identical to the concept model.
 
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