camaro SS vs NSX

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mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Same old crap that's always spewed by the ricers. It's been shown time & time again that F-bodies handle VERY well, and are a hell of a performance bargain.

95% of a Corvette at 1/3 the price.

Viper GTS

I wouldn't go as far as to say 95%, but F body's <and Stangs> do handle quite nicely.

Of course they'd do better on longer/sweeping curves than a track with very tight turns.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow a modded nsx vs a camaro which wasn't even trying

wow an american muscle car that is only good for straights, but performs like hell on an actual track!

the driver sucked not the car. look at the reaction times...
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: CFster
Who cares.

Take 100 hp away from the NSX and it would still beat the Camaro around a road course.

Driving in a straight line is so - boring...

NSX would own the SS in the twisites

A Ferrari 360 CS would own the NSX in the twisties, and the straights. Oh, what's that you say? The Ferrari costs twice as much? Hrmmm....

The Head of Acura says their new cars will beat Ferraris </giggle> really at a car show even!
 

KokomoGST

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Even in the used market, the NSX is pricey... but I do like it a whole lot more. The interior is better and it's prolly a better street car overall.

That being said, it's undeniable that the SS is a friggin good street car anywho. And depending on the car, an 11 second street/strip car is very doable. It's the 10 second "street" cars that are just a tad frightening. Even if they are driveable on the street, they tend to be a bit too much to handle on public roads. That much power getting ready to rip your spine out at the mere tap of the pedal is flat out scary.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
So basically, a modded $85+k car beat a stock $30k car, and that's suprising?
And the crappy driver in the stock $30k car ran a full second slower than the car should have been capable of.

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah, OS was being a ricer fanboi again and flamebaiting... :roll:
Dude would have still lost 2 seconds faster.

1/4 mile times are only as good as your elevation, temp and humidity.

There are some places a 14 is damn good and others where it's laughable (not that a 14sec is slow)
So what?

The point is why are you (and many others here) so stupid as to compare 2 cars that have a nearly 300% difference in price?

And then there's the fact that for as little as $5k in mods, the SS would probably beat this modded NSX down the quarter.
Only little kids think you can leave the price/performance ratio out when comparing 2 cars. The NSX may offer good performance, but it is outrageously overpriced. The Camaro may use some cheap materials, but provides an excellent performance value.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Vic
So what?

The point is why are you (and many others here) so stupid as to compare 2 cars that have a nearly 300% difference in price?

Pay attention I was not doing the above, I clearly stated they are different animals. Next time brush up on your reading comprehension. I was only stating that the camaro would have still lost 2 secs faster.
 

andylawcc

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Originally posted by: Vic
And then there's the fact that for as little as $5k in mods, the SS would probably beat this modded NSX down the quarter.
Only little kids think you can leave the price/performance ratio out when comparing 2 cars. The NSX may offer good performance, but it is outrageously overpriced. The Camaro may use some cheap materials, but provides an excellent performance value.

can I get an Amen?
 

wasssup

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
I am shooting for a low 13 sec pass in my 240sx. I will have less than $15k in it at that point ($8,800 purchase price which was a steal for a 70k mile 1998 SE) and it will be a very strong street car with 300ZX brakes, LSD, turbo, coilovers....plus only about 2000 of them out there so I won't be seeing my self 10 times on the way to work each day like the Cobra, SS, Z06 crowd down here.


you bastard! i wished i could land a deal on a car like that...the S14.5's are pretty much impossible to find (stock/manual/not $5k above book value), and all the S14's i've seen are either going for WAY too much (20% above dealer retail, from a private party no less) or have like 150k miles on the odo...
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: hytek369
what mods are on the NSX?
Who knows? Exhaust is certain, given the sound. A stock NSX doesn't run 11's, it runs mid-13's, which is about the same as what a stock Camaro SS runs.
 

classy

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First the driver of SS had to suck or something was wrong. 2nd the NSX which costs about double the Camaro anyway was clearly souped up. They are only low 13 quarter cars stock so seeing he hit 11.44 which faster than even a GT2, Moser 900, or even a top of the line Viper clearly speaks of serious after market. I would venture to say he might have even been running Nitrous.
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: mdbound
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow a modded nsx vs a camaro which wasn't even trying

wow an american muscle car that is only good for straights, but performs like hell on an actual track!

Actually, they're much better than you'd suspect. 0.91 skidpad. You should ACTUALLY drive one and try it out.

MD.


A skidpad says absolutely nothing about the handling of a car. with a rigid axle u simply will have a bad handling car due to load change reactions when switching from a right into a left turn. A camaro simply has to much unsprung weight around, long overhangs and a bad weight distribution all things that do not make a good sports car - but hey it is cheap in that aspect it is good...

All theories aside, the fact of the matter is that a stock F-body handles quite well. Not as good as an NSX, but good nonetheless. A modified F-body handles exceptionally well. These things clean up the track in SCCA races regularly. A live rear axle is actually suited quite well for operating on a race track with no surface imperfections. There's no change in wheel camber when turning due to body roll, something that affects almost all IRS cars.



Someone give this guy a carrot. Rice boys read an weep, good info here.

(I drive a IRS Nissan, modded to hell)
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: Vortex22
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Nebor
Can you link to the Vette going 0-60 in less than two seconds? Motor trend? Popular Mechanics? Car and Driver? Popular Science?

found on the LPE site

That is a VERY heavily modded vette. Twin turbo... I think it costs about 90k.

Anytime you are talking about a car that is making almost triple the stock HP, you can assume it has been heavily modded.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Nebor


So a Ferrari 360 is faster than the 550 around this track? How?

power to weight:
550: 283.96 bhp per tonne
360: 284.17 bhp per tonne

so, slightly better power to weight, combined with the better balance of a mid motor car. the modena also out-accelerates the 550. the 575 is better than both, i'd imagine.

Where was the 550s engine? I thought it was rear engine? It surely was awsome looking, much better looking than the 575. That tiny power to weight ratio would make a difference? it seems like that might actually come down to the driver.

Why would you buy a 550 if the 360 was better in every way?

because the 550 was aimed to be a better road car not necessarily a faster one. luca di montezemolo wanted the show that a front engine sportscar can be well balanced without having the high-polar moment of inertia that mid engine cars have.

the 360 challenge stradale would run circles out of the regular 360, 550, 575... and all Lamborghinis... :p
Mid-engined cars have a LOWER polar moment of inertia.
 

alkemyst

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The advantage of no camber change on a live axle is not a reason to really choose that setup. The choice of live axle is due to excessive wheep hop IRS get on 1/4 mile type launches which were designed to be the bread and butter of this type of car.

Saying an SS dominates in SCCA is like saying your kid is the best chemistry student, everything has a class in SCCA and many times there are problems with classification...move up to the higher unlimited classes and you are no longer talking about street cars.

The whole $60k+ car vs 20-30k car is a moronic one that the poor or middle class americans love to dish out. How their $7,000 400HP Vega can smoke a Furrary or Porch in the quarter, yippee ki yay! Thing is 1/4 mile times are probably the least important of the major bullet lists most people make while choosing cars. Creature comforts, ergonomics, and plushness are something the lower level cars MAJORLY give up. The interiors of even latest corvettes have been slammed and slammed again on the shoddiness and feeling as if you are sitting in a $10,000 basic car. You didn't save $40k to get the same performance of that 360 Modena, you saved $40k to get an engine and transmission capable of carrying you across the finish line at the same time. Might as well buy a 454 Chevelle SS and gut it, use a milk crate to sit on and tie yourself to the steering column.

Now the Corvette is a great performing car, it was designed to always be the 'world class' sports car the average american can afford. It's the blue collar dream and the SS is the baby brother to it. The corvette is not a bad car, but it's like comparing the girls in a strip club with $3 beers versus a club with a $50 minimum basically...both may have hot chicks, but one is going to have it at a much higher quality and also have less people coming before you.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: mstegall
yeah it was an awful launch by the camaro, but it kind of ridiculous to compare a camaro to an nsx anyway, especially one as fixed up as that one seems to be. Just two totally different cars with totally different amounts of money invested and totally different drivers.

What mstegall just said...
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: OS


What's your email? Let me paypal you $10 so you can buy yourself some help.

it's all just anal personal attacks with you isn't it? don't have anything to do but show how honda is better than everything and when someone doesn't go along with your little world you resort to name calling and practicing medicine without a license.


you know what would make this thread complete? a video of that same camaro killing some guy in a bone stock integra GS. the 4 door model. it would be about as worthwhile.
Yeah, but if you put a bumble-bee muffler and erector set wing on that Integra GS it would blow the doors off any Camaro. Lower it, add some neon (inside and out), gauges (easily visible from the outside of the car), and maybe some spinner wheel covers and it would blow away that NSX.

All "The Fast &amp; The Furious" wanna be cars and drivers = :roll: :thumbsdown:
 

dudeman007

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: OS


What's your email? Let me paypal you $10 so you can buy yourself some help.

it's all just anal personal attacks with you isn't it? don't have anything to do but show how honda is better than everything and when someone doesn't go along with your little world you resort to name calling and practicing medicine without a license.


you know what would make this thread complete? a video of that same camaro killing some guy in a bone stock integra GS. the 4 door model. it would be about as worthwhile.
Yeah, but if you put a bumble-bee muffler and erector set wing on that Integra GS it would blow the doors off any Camaro. Lower it, add some neon (inside and out), gauges (easily visible from the outside of the car), and maybe some spinner wheel covers and it would blow away that NSX.

All "The Fast &amp; The Furious" wanna be cars and drivers = :roll: :thumbsdown:


Dude camaros don't stand a chance. The majority of American sports cars blow. I don't think an integra could beat an nsx either. Freakin nsx's ownnnnnnnnnnn!

Stupid F&amp;tF. Puts a bad name out for street racing
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: dudeman007
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: OS


What's your email? Let me paypal you $10 so you can buy yourself some help.

it's all just anal personal attacks with you isn't it? don't have anything to do but show how honda is better than everything and when someone doesn't go along with your little world you resort to name calling and practicing medicine without a license.


you know what would make this thread complete? a video of that same camaro killing some guy in a bone stock integra GS. the 4 door model. it would be about as worthwhile.
Yeah, but if you put a bumble-bee muffler and erector set wing on that Integra GS it would blow the doors off any Camaro. Lower it, add some neon (inside and out), gauges (easily visible from the outside of the car), and maybe some spinner wheel covers and it would blow away that NSX.

All "The Fast &amp; The Furious" wanna be cars and drivers = :roll: :thumbsdown:


Dude camaros don't stand a chance. The majority of American sports cars blow. I don't think an integra could beat an nsx either. Freakin nsx's ownnnnnnnnnnn!

Stupid F&amp;tF. Puts a bad name out for street racing

A Camaro z28 or SS would have an Integra it's ass in pretty much any category you could come up with. It would take one hell of a modded Integra to catch up.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: OS


What's your email? Let me paypal you $10 so you can buy yourself some help.

it's all just anal personal attacks with you isn't it? don't have anything to do but show how honda is better than everything and when someone doesn't go along with your little world you resort to name calling and practicing medicine without a license.


you know what would make this thread complete? a video of that same camaro killing some guy in a bone stock integra GS. the 4 door model. it would be about as worthwhile.
Yeah, but if you put a bumble-bee muffler and erector set wing on that Integra GS it would blow the doors off any Camaro. Lower it, add some neon (inside and out), gauges (easily visible from the outside of the car), and maybe some spinner wheel covers and it would blow away that NSX.

All "The Fast &amp; The Furious" wanna be cars and drivers = :roll: :thumbsdown:


You forgot the Mugen stickers. You have to have those to blow away a stock NSX.