camaro SS vs NSX

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nebor


So a Ferrari 360 is faster than the 550 around this track? How?

power to weight:
550: 283.96 bhp per tonne
360: 284.17 bhp per tonne

so, slightly better power to weight, combined with the better balance of a mid motor car. the modena also out-accelerates the 550. the 575 is better than both, i'd imagine.

Where was the 550s engine? I thought it was rear engine? It surely was awsome looking, much better looking than the 575. That tiny power to weight ratio would make a difference? it seems like that might actually come down to the driver.

Why would you buy a 550 if the 360 was better in every way?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Where was the 550s engine? I thought it was rear engine? It surely was awsome looking, much better looking than the 575. That tiny power to weight ratio would make a difference? it seems like that might actually come down to the driver.

Why would you buy a 550 if the 360 was better in every way?

when ferrari designs a car they design it balls to the wall, and they go about replacing a car every so often. i'm sure that when they realized a 360 could usually hang with/beat a 550 around a track they came up with the 575. both maranellos basically look the same, and both are classic GT style cars. front engine, rear drive, with the classic ferrari V12. and i'm sure exclusivity has a part in it.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nebor


So a Ferrari 360 is faster than the 550 around this track? How?

power to weight:
550: 283.96 bhp per tonne
360: 284.17 bhp per tonne

so, slightly better power to weight, combined with the better balance of a mid motor car. the modena also out-accelerates the 550. the 575 is better than both, i'd imagine.

Where was the 550s engine? I thought it was rear engine? It surely was awsome looking, much better looking than the 575. That tiny power to weight ratio would make a difference? it seems like that might actually come down to the driver.

Why would you buy a 550 if the 360 was better in every way?

because the 550 was aimed to be a better road car not necessarily a faster one. luca di montezemolo wanted the show that a front engine sportscar can be well balanced without having the high-polar moment of inertia that mid engine cars have.

the 360 challenge stradale would run circles out of the regular 360, 550, 575... and all Lamborghinis...

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
Nebor-

I'm a moron? haha...I guess it takes one to know one! =P

Camaros have the quality of a Ford transmission, face it...even for their "bargain" price you're not exactly getting a "bargain".

So they handle well? what, was the track about 10 miles long and straight?

and to whomever called me a fool? what, a bunch of lame ass loyalists! there is a reason that the camaro is no longer being produced...

Id say there are more Camaros on the road than any other sports car so that pretty much proves how good they are. Ive rarely seen any NSX's except the same one three times and maybe a couple of others but Ive seen at least 1,000,000 Camaros so I think I would choose an SS over an NSX in terms of reliability and performance.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
Nebor-

I'm a moron? haha...I guess it takes one to know one! =P

Camaros have the quality of a Ford transmission, face it...even for their "bargain" price you're not exactly getting a "bargain".

So they handle well? what, was the track about 10 miles long and straight?

and to whomever called me a fool? what, a bunch of lame ass loyalists! there is a reason that the camaro is no longer being produced...

Id say there are more Camaros on the road than any other sports car so that pretty much proves how good they are. Ive rarely seen any NSX's except the same one three times and maybe a couple of others but Ive seen at least 1,000,000 Camaros so I think I would choose an SS over an NSX in terms of reliability and performance.

most of the camaros i see on the road are V6s... so if theres any reason you see so many is because its an affordable sportscar that is a great bang for the buck... not necessarily because of how good they are. i see a couple of Z28s here and there... and even fewer SSs. Ironically enough... you said you see at least 1,000,000 camaros... that actually detracts from the exclusivity of it.

Performance I can understand... but I certainly hope you were joking about choosing an SS over a Honda in terms of realibility...

 

[mdbound]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
Nebor-

I'm a moron? haha...I guess it takes one to know one! =P

Camaros have the quality of a Ford transmission, face it...even for their "bargain" price you're not exactly getting a "bargain".

So they handle well? what, was the track about 10 miles long and straight?

and to whomever called me a fool? what, a bunch of lame ass loyalists! there is a reason that the camaro is no longer being produced...

Id say there are more Camaros on the road than any other sports car so that pretty much proves how good they are. Ive rarely seen any NSX's except the same one three times and maybe a couple of others but Ive seen at least 1,000,000 Camaros so I think I would choose an SS over an NSX in terms of reliability and performance.

Unfortunately, the reason for this are all of the crappy base camaros. There really is no correlation between number of cars on the road and reliablity. It is fairly obvious that the Honda is going to be more reliable. What's hard for people to admit is that the camaro is not THAT unreliable; just less reliable vs. the Honda. And, 80K is a good reason you don't see too many NSX's on the road, vs 13K for a base camaro.

The Camaro SS is really a different beast and shouldn't be compared to the base. It's sort of like an AMD FX53 inside a Packard Bell box with a 75 cfm fan on the side.....plain jane and only a few styling clues but fast.

MD.

Edit: bR beat me to the post....apologies for redundancy.

 

[Tetsuo]

Holy fvck...

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
Holy fvck...

Lol

 

[Balthazar]

Hehehehehe yeah ok, shenannigans....
A modded NSX (VERY modded in order to get that time) and a stock SS....

A fraction of the cost and stock and it got beat....darn stupid american cars!!!!

And autos dont beat sticks in 1/4's unless your a F1 racer. Because that auto drops the power output to the wheels, so someone familiar with thair cars shifter can quite easily someone in the exact same car with an automatic.

Anyway, bogus title I was really hoping to see a good comparo! Then again, I know a stock NSX wouldn't blow the doors off an SS, so

 

[isekii]

how does one know that's a stock SS ?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: isekii
how does one know that's a stock SS ?

Well, stock is the best possible assumption. I suppose he could have just stuck the SS badging on and have been running with a somewhat modded V6. But since he made a run a good second slower than the stock SS runs... either its stock or he sucks (which, BTW, covers "badging a car as an SS when it isnt one").

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: bR
Uh oh. Here wo go with the modded cars beat Ferraris.

Ferraris arent invincible, nor are they the fastest cars on earth. You're not looking for those things when you buy a Ferrari. :wink;

True, and I apologize for bringing it up, because it usually starts a sh!tfest. But, OTOH, OS brought mods into it in the beginning when he showed a video with a NSX running 11's .

Plus, quite frankly, I'm still floored by the concept of a street legal car that goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: bR
Uh oh. Here wo go with the modded cars beat Ferraris.

Ferraris arent invincible, nor are they the fastest cars on earth. You're not looking for those things when you buy a Ferrari. :wink;

True, and I apologize for bringing it up, because it usually starts a sh!tfest. But, OTOH, OS brought mods into it in the beginning when he showed a video with a NSX running 11's .

Plus, quite frankly, I'm still floored by the concept of a street legal car that goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds

Can you link to the Vette going 0-60 in less than two seconds? Motor trend? Popular Mechanics? Car and Driver? Popular Science?

 

[andylawcc]

for a moment I thought Prism posted this thread.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: bR
Uh oh. Here wo go with the modded cars beat Ferraris.

Ferraris arent invincible, nor are they the fastest cars on earth. You're not looking for those things when you buy a Ferrari. :wink;

True, and I apologize for bringing it up, because it usually starts a sh!tfest. But, OTOH, OS brought mods into it in the beginning when he showed a video with a NSX running 11's .

Plus, quite frankly, I'm still floored by the concept of a street legal car that goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds

Actually I'm just a Ferrari fanboy... so ha...

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: CFster
Wow. A straight axle is desirable on a road course. Just wow. Who posted that.

I posted that. Do you understand how body roll affects wheel camber? Do you understand how surface imperfections affect wheel camber? Have you ever heard of camber?

Why aren't they building those things anymore?

Because more girls made their daddies buy them V6 Mustangs than Camaros.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: bR

Actually I'm just a Ferrari fanboy... so ha...

you are SUCH a renegade!

 

[mdbound]

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Hehehehehe yeah ok, shenannigans....
A modded NSX (VERY modded in order to get that time) and a stock SS....

A fraction of the cost and stock and it got beat....darn stupid american cars!!!!

And autos dont beat sticks in 1/4's unless your a F1 racer. Because that auto drops the power output to the wheels, so someone familiar with thair cars shifter can quite easily someone in the exact same car with an automatic.

Anyway, bogus title I was really hoping to see a good comparo! Then again, I know a stock NSX wouldn't blow the doors off an SS, so

Agree with most of your post, however I've beaten a lot of stock, manual SS's with my stock, auto SS. Most people aren't lighting fast shifters, while my auto with apropriate power braking will let me launch like a pro. The power loss is near 20% with manuals around 10-15%. With 300 dyno proven RWHP, that's still plenty of power and the time benefit I get is exceptional.

However, that said, on the track vs. the 1/4 mile, the stick is better. Why, well, more precise power and torque control. Plus more fun to drive around town.

Why'd I get the auto? Cheaper for me (24K vs. 30K) and in LA traffic, a manual is a PITA.

MD.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

What this thread needs is a link to the Top Gear review of the Honda/Acura NSX.

They really tear into it and end it with something along the lines of "Honda should really get rid of the NSX and move on". The best comment in there is "the shifter's cover is made of a thin metallic mesh instead of leather because it saves 10 grams; I could have saved more weight wearing thinner socks today"

 

[Twista]

LMFAO. Wtf was the guy in the red camaro thinking? Hes slow as hell.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
What this thread needs is a link to the Top Gear review of the Honda/Acura NSX.

They really tear into it and end it with something along the lines of "Honda should really get rid of the NSX and move on". The best comment in there is "the shifter's cover is made of a thin metallic mesh instead of leather because it saves 10 grams; I could have saved more weight wearing thinner socks today"

You mean this one? Oh oops. Wrong NSX-R vid... It actually performed damn well in that one.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
What this thread needs is a link to the Top Gear review of the Honda/Acura NSX.

They really tear into it and end it with something along the lines of "Honda should really get rid of the NSX and move on". The best comment in there is "the shifter's cover is made of a thin metallic mesh instead of leather because it saves 10 grams; I could have saved more weight wearing thinner socks today"

And then they say, "This isn't a car anymore, it's an engineers plaything."

They go on to say it tried to be a Ferrari but it wasn't, or something along those lines. I have the video.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: CFster
Wow. A straight axle is desirable on a road course. Just wow. Who posted that.

I posted that. Do you understand how body roll affects wheel camber? Do you understand how surface imperfections affect wheel camber? Have you ever heard of camber?

Why aren't they building those things anymore?

Because more girls made their daddies buy them V6 Mustangs than Camaros.

Won't matter to CFester. He couldn't see past his own bias to save his life.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
What this thread needs is a link to the Top Gear review of the Honda/Acura NSX.

They really tear into it and end it with something along the lines of "Honda should really get rid of the NSX and move on". The best comment in there is "the shifter's cover is made of a thin metallic mesh instead of leather because it saves 10 grams; I could have saved more weight wearing thinner socks today"

You mean this one? Oh oops. Wrong NSX-R vid... It actually performed damn well in that one.

They enver complained about performance. The performance is there, it's just packaged poorly; the money that you spend on an NSX could be much better spent elsewehere IMHO (and obviously in theirs too).

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
What this thread needs is a link to the Top Gear review of the Honda/Acura NSX.

They really tear into it and end it with something along the lines of "Honda should really get rid of the NSX and move on". The best comment in there is "the shifter's cover is made of a thin metallic mesh instead of leather because it saves 10 grams; I could have saved more weight wearing thinner socks today"

You mean this one? Oh oops. Wrong NSX-R vid... It actually performed damn well in that one.

They enver complained about performance. The performance is there, it's just packaged poorly; the money that you spend on an NSX could be much better spent elsewehere IMHO (and obviously in theirs too).

Well simply put... Its just too old. I dont think I know of any other car that has lasted this long without a redesign.