Calls for the Pope to be put on trial.

[Danube]

aren't all the current round of accusations from like 30+ years ago?

The case in question was about a molester not active since 1974. The molestations have gone down. There are more molestations in public schools than in Churches- and at least in one NY scandal 20% of molestations were by homosexuals (less than 3% of population according to cdc)

 

[Danube]

Easily the biggest heep of apologist bullshit I have ever read on these forums. Homosexual pederasts??? So what is your excuse for the heterosexual molestation/rapes that also took place?

People like you fucking disgust me.

The statistics don't support your case. I suspect it's the truth that repels you. Pedophilia is abuse of prebuescent children - which the priest victims were not.

 

[Hacp]

The case in question was about a molester not active since 1974. The molestations have gone down. There are more molestations in public schools than in Churches- and at least in one NY scandal 20% of molestations were by homosexuals (less than 3% of population according to cdc)

I don't care if they're a father or not, if they molest children, they should be cuffed and sent somewhere horrible, like Mexico.

 

[theflyingpig]

Every single religion should be put on trial for perpetuating ignorance, stupidity, and the slaughter of the innocent throughout recorded history. Nothing has cause as much death and suffering as religion. It's time we, as humans, evolve beyond believing in fairy tails written by fools. Everyone knows this.

 

[ProfJohn]

The case in question was about a molester not active since 1974. The molestations have gone down. There are more molestations in public schools than in Churches- and at least in one NY scandal 20% of molestations were by homosexuals (less than 3% of population according to cdc)

Do you have the actual details of that study??

Most molesters are NOT homosexuals but are instead straight adults with regression tendencies.

Typically they don't progress to sexual maturity like normal adults which is why they become fixated on young boys.

The reason the church has so many problems with this is because they don't allow priest to engage in normal adult relationships with women and thus only adults who have never had mature relationships tend to become priests. Thus you are creating a group of people who by definition are far more likely to molest than if they allowed married priests.

Read up on some actual studies and educate yourself:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html

 

[ericlp]

But...But... Thou shall be PURE! And not engage or think about sex...

I think you missed the whole point as to WHY the priests are not allowed to marry. I think if they are gonna do that, they might as well whack his nuts off so he doesn't look at little boys as well.

Since no where in the bible does it say looking at little boys is bad now does it? Maybe they ought rewrite it to include sex with kids? Ya think that would solve the problem? Right next to You shall not commit adultery (includes little boys *YOU SICK FUCKING BASTARD*)....

Now I know the reason well, one of the reasons why they priest is suppose to be married to the church. There are many reasons. That could be one of them and Adulatory is no sex before marriage (no pleasure) supposedly your not even suppose to get the enjoyment of looking at a woman and getting a woody is bad news...

But getting a woody when looking at the six year old boy. Well, Hey!!! The bible didn't say anything about that! Why shit! That's like open (little boy) season!!! No where in the bible does god say that so... I guess that's how the priests channeled their sick twisted sex drive.

Well, that's my take on the subject. Tho that's just MO. Go find your own.

 

[ch33zw1z]

it's a pretty terrible situation, but the solution isn't dismantling an entire religion that's done a lot of good throughout its history.

The past is in the past. People can do good without the RCC or religion in general, they just have to make a personal choice to, instead of doing it so they don't go to hell.

 

[Nielsio]

Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k

(Louis CK is a comedian; you are forewarned)

 

[zsdersw]

I'm not entirely sure why religious faiths require organizational apparatus' and an administrative hierarchy in the first place, so if that goes away I say: "good riddance to what shouldn't be needed in the first place."

 

[Elfear]

I'm not entirely sure why religious faiths require organizational apparatus' and an administrative hierarchy in the first place, so if that goes away I say: "good riddance to what shouldn't be needed in the first place."

If it's a worldwide church with an ecclesiastical hierarchy, I don't see how you could avoid organizational and administrative hierarchies. There is no way to do what a worldwide church does without them.

 

[dmcowen674]

Calls for the Pope to be put on trial.

Bush and his buddies should be put on trial before they think about the Pope.

 

[zsdersw]

If it's a worldwide church with an ecclesiastical hierarchy, I don't see how you could avoid organizational and administrative hierarchies. There is no way to do what a worldwide church does without them.

I don't think we need "worldwide churches". I don't think the Pope (or the leader of any other organized religion) deserves any more reverence or authority in matters of law and taxation than, say, the CEO of an international corporation.

 

[IcePickFreak]

The pope, accused of criminal actions? Say it isn't so! There's never been a pope that's committed criminal actions! 🙄

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's time to face the facts, and deal with the consequences. Coverups, protection, denial are all done now. It's time those sick pederasts get to spend time in the county lock up where they know how to deal with short eyes.
No more excuses, no more using the church as a barrier, if you defend one of these sick fucks you get to play in county as well. This is a very easy issue. Too bad nobody has balls enough to drag them out and throw them in jail.
I don't give a steaming pile of dogshit about the good the catholic church has done. They've reaped the rewards for that, and isn't that what they're all about anyway? Molesting children = prison. Not being transferred to some other church so to can lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Elfear]

I don't think we need "worldwide churches". I don't think the Pope (or the leader of any other organized religion) deserves any more reverence or authority in matters of law and taxation than, say, the CEO of an international corporation.

Well you would dismantle the very doctrinal structure of those worldwide churches if you tried to make them local/regional only. Your point of view makes it sounds like the creation of a church is a matter of expedience. Think about it from the point of view of those who are members of those churches, which is that the churches came about because of divine commission. If you believe the heads of those churches are in place because of divine commission of course you're going to see a significant amount of authority in those heads.

From my experience, the head of a worldwide church doesn't try to interpret matters of civil law and taxation so I'm not sure where you were going with that one.

 

[Nielsio]

it's a pretty terrible situation, but the solution isn't dismantling an entire religion that's done a lot of good throughout its history.

There is only one thing the church is good at, and that's instilling guilt among the people.

Guilt cannot possibly be the source of a healthy society.

 

[zsdersw]

Well you would dismantle the very doctrinal structure of those worldwide churches if you tried to make them local/regional only. Your point of view makes it sounds like the creation of a church is a matter of expedience. Think about it from the point of view of those who are members of those churches, which is that the churches came about because of divine commission. If you believe the heads of those churches are in place because of divine commission of course you're going to see a significant amount of authority in those heads.

It just seems to be a waste of money to have administrative hierarchies and related apparatus'.

From my experience, the head of a worldwide church doesn't try to interpret matters of civil law and taxation so I'm not sure where you were going with that one.

The tax-exempt and UN status, mainly.

 

[nageov3t]

There is only one thing the church is good at, and that's instilling guilt among the people.

Guilt cannot possibly be the source of a healthy society.

I spent my junior year of high school working at a catholic-run soup kitchen.

it fed a lot of homeless people, guilt-free.

 

[zsdersw]

Local or local-area churches doing things locally is one thing. The Vatican and all the administrative/authoritative BS of cardinals, arch-bishops, dioceseses, etc are what seem unnecessary.

 

[Elfear]

It just seems to be a waste of money to have administrative hierarchies and related apparatus'.

Unfortunately they are expenditures that go with the territory. If you have a worldwide church you have to have the administrative hierarchies in place too. For example, it is much easier to coordinate relief effort from a central heirarchy than it is to try and get a bunch of local denominations to respond quickly and effectively. Some other examples would be the coordination of the ecclesiastical heirarchy with the local church leadership or the upkeep and maintenance of church buildings that will be used by multiple congregations.

The administrative hierarchy needs to be efficient of course so that donated tithes go towards what they were intended for.

The tax-exempt and UN status, mainly.

Tax exemption is granted because churches are charitable organizations and not-for-profit not because the heads of them are reverenced by the legislators. As to the UN status, I agree with you. I think the RCC's status as permanent observers (whatever that means) rather than a participating member is a good decision. Separation of church and state is very important.

 

[nageov3t]

Local or local-area churches doing things locally is one thing. The Vatican and all the administrative/authoritative BS of cardinals, arch-bishops, dioceseses, etc are what seem unnecessary.

one of the bedrocks of the catholic church is that it's practically an unbroken chain back to Peter, unlike the myriad of protestant sects.

what you say would practically dismantle the entire institution and would never, ever, ever happen.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why was my post on IBM and Rothschild removed . Its was a true post , IBM did a help in the round up of people. Rothschild does finance both sides in a war . Were is the lie , Not in that post or this one.

 

[zsdersw]

Unfortunately they are expenditures that go with the territory. If you have a worldwide church you have to have the administrative hierarchies in place too. For example, it is much easier to coordinate relief effort from a central heirarchy than it is to try and get a bunch of local denominations to respond quickly and effectively. Some other examples would be the coordination of the ecclesiastical heirarchy with the local church leadership or the upkeep and maintenance of church buildings that will be used by multiple congregations.

No worldwide churches, then.. as I've said.

Tax exemption is granted because churches are charitable organizations and not-for-profit not because the heads of them are reverenced by the legislators. As to the UN status, I agree with you. I think the RCC's status as permanent observers (whatever that means) rather than a participating member is a good decision. Separation of church and state is very important.

They shouldn't be tax-exempt, nor should they have any status with the UN.

 

[Nemesis 1]

one of the bedrocks of the catholic church is that it's practically an unbroken chain back to Peter, unlike the myriad of protestant sects.

what you say would practically dismantle the entire institution and would never, ever, ever happen.

BS. You best read more fella . There is a hugh broken time frame between the HRCC and Peter. Over 300 years Since Rome Ctreated the HRCC. Its a Historical fact the Church doesn't deny.

 

[nageov3t]

BS. You best read more fella . There is a hugh broken time frame between the HRCC and Peter. Over 300 years Since Rome Ctreated the HRCC. Its a Historical fact the Church doesn't deny.

"practically" 😉