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"Call me Caitlyn"

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JSt0rm said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder


"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones."
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Sorry. That is not scientifically proven. It is a suggestion, nothing more.

Suggest:

1. to mention or introduce (an idea, proposition, plan, etc.) for consideration or possible action: The architect suggested that the building be restored.

2. to propose (a person or thing) as suitable or possible for some purpose:
We suggested him for president.

3. (of things) to prompt the consideration, making, doing, etc., of:
The glove suggests that she was at the scene of the crime.

4. to bring before a person's mind indirectly or without plain expression:
I didn't tell him to leave, I only suggested it.

5. to call (something) up in the mind through association or natural connection of ideas:

Clearly not a proven fact. Big difference.
 
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I don't care at all about this. The extent of my interest in any transgender story is "Would I bang them now? Nope. Moving on..."

It's always a person I wouldn't bang being turned into another person I wouldn't bang, so how COULD I care? There's no moral argument I can level against it. I don't have any feelings about it really, other than the sneaking suspicion that maybe these are traumatized people who are grasping at straws in order to avoid dealing with their real trauma. If that's true then it's unfortunate, but it doesn't hurt anyone but them.

Now when someone shows me pics of a hot blonde I definitely WOULD bang and then tells me it's really a boy from norway or somewhere, I have to do a bit more soul searching.
 
SlitheryDee said:
I don't care at all about this. The extent of my interest in any transgender story is "Would I bang them now? Nope. Moving on..."
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This seems to be a lot of the responses in here. Maybe I'm just weird, but my immediate thought when considering a person does not leap to "is that somewhere I want to stick my penis." I didn't want to have sex with Bruce Jenner; I don't want to have sex with Caitlyn Jenner. But that wasn't my first thought when hearing about the transition. "Wait, can I fuck this person now? No? OK, not interested." Is this how y'all approach every single person you meet? You're like sex terminators.
 
pcgeek11 said:
First: That isn't a "Her", it is a dude.

Second: This is why he is doing it: Attention and Money.

Third: It is his business until he puts it all over on public display ( Magazine Covers, Interviews on TV etc... )

I don't have an issue Old Bruce can do whatever He wants. He is the one calling attention to it with his glamour shots and magazine covers. I wish he would just keep it to himself. Nobody wants to see that sick crap.

And it is still gross.
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People don't change gender for attention and money. That is as stupid an idea I've ever heard from you, and you give some pretty stupid ideas. I wish you would just keep it to yourself. It is not even an opinion, it is just inane bigotry. It is of course your business to be stupid, up until you decide to call attention to it by posting something in public, but really nobody wants to hear your stupid crap.
It is just stupid redneck ranting.

SlitheryDee said:
I don't care at all about this. The extent of my interest in any transgender story is "Would I bang them now? Nope. Moving on..."

It's always a person I wouldn't bang being turned into another person I wouldn't bang, so how COULD I care? There's no moral argument I can level against it. I don't have any feelings about it really, other than the sneaking suspicion that maybe these are traumatized people who are grasping at straws in order to avoid dealing with their real trauma. If that's true then it's unfortunate, but it doesn't hurt anyone but them.

Now when someone shows me pics of a hot blonde I definitely WOULD bang and then tells me it's really a boy from norway or somewhere, I have to do a bit more soul searching.
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Okay, this I genuinely found funny. I mean you just posted a rant on how you don't care about world events past if you would have sex with those involved.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
This seems to be a lot of the responses in here. Maybe I'm just weird, but my immediate thought when considering a person does not leap to "is that somewhere I want to stick my penis." I didn't want to have sex with Bruce Jenner; I don't want to have sex with Caitlyn Jenner. But that wasn't my first thought when hearing about the transition. "Wait, can I fuck this person now? No? OK, not interested." Is this how y'all approach every single person you meet? You're like sex terminators.
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If you mean do I feel happy and uplifted about this touching story of a person who is finally able to be the person they always knew they were inside?

Not at all. I understand that other people feel that way for some reason, but I don't get why any more than I get the side of the aisle that is outraged about it. Literally the only potential stimulation I'm able to get out of the situation is of a sexual nature, so that's how I evaluate it.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Okay, this I genuinely found funny. I mean you just posted a rant on how you don't care about world events past if you would have sex with those involved.
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No not all world events. I do find some things interesting on their own merits, but rarely stories about transgendered people or other things of that ilk. I guess that comes from not really having beef with things that people do that doesn't technically affect me. There's no place in this story where I can really latch on and have a solid opinion beyond "wouldn't bang". I do think people should be allowed to change their gender if they want to though. That is generally the basis of any arguments I get into on the subject.
 
SlitheryDee said:
No not all world events. I do find some things interesting on their own merits, but rarely stories about transgendered people or other things of that ilk. I guess that comes from not really having beef with things that people do that doesn't technically affect me. There's no place in this story where I can really latch on and have a solid opinion beyond "wouldn't bang". I do think people should be allowed to change their gender if they want to though. That is generally the basis of any arguments I get into on the subject.
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The interesting part of this story is not that a famous person changed their gender. It is that gender issues have become a topic of national debate. We as a country is asking the question of just how free do we want our society. We are exercising our ability to extend compassion to people that we don't understand, that we can safely ostracise. Many are failing at this, and fall back on old instincts to attack the outcast, but each time we do this compassion building exercise we build our societies ability to show compassion.

That is the real event occurring.
 
SMOGZINN said:
The interesting part of this story is not that a famous person changed their gender. It is that gender issues have become a topic of national debate. We as a country is asking the question of just how free do we want our society. We are exercising our ability to extend compassion to people that we don't understand, that we can safely ostracise. Many are failing at this, and fall back on old instincts to attack the outcast, but each time we do this compassion building exercise we build our societies ability to show compassion.

That is the real event occurring.
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Yes, but how does that affect my boner? That's literally all I'm capable of caring about.
 
SMOGZINN said:
It always surprises me that some people have such strong reactions to other people doing something they don't understand. I often wonder where such a strong emotional reaction to something like this comes from.

Does it really matter if it is He so She. If it is Caitlyn or Bruce?
Why do you have such a strong reaction to it? Why do you care about other people's sexuality and gender so much that you get 'sick' or 'disgusted' over something so insignificant? Maybe you should spend some time thinking about that and what that means about you and your sexuality.
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I'm agnostic about it but I have a few questions.

From what I know the person self gender identifies. How many times does one get to do this? Other then birth if it happens more then once seems frivolous.

Should a gender id be handled legally like a name change?

If a male by sex self identifies as women should they be allowed in a women's locker room? If a gender id women goes into room and begins to change next to a female by sex but still has a penis is that fair to the female?
 
HomerJS said:
I'm agnostic about it but I have a few questions.

From what I know the person self gender identifies. How many times does one get to do this? Other then birth if it happens more then once seems frivolous.

Should a gender id be handled legally like a name change?

If a male by sex self identifies as women should they be allowed in a women's locker room? If a gender id women goes into room and begins to change next to a female by sex but still has a penis is that fair to the female?
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Makes no difference. Should we ban lesbians from female locker rooms and gay men from male locker rooms?
 
SMOGZINN said:
The interesting part of this story is not that a famous person changed their gender. It is that gender issues have become a topic of national debate. We as a country is asking the question of just how free do we want our society. We are exercising our ability to extend compassion to people that we don't understand, that we can safely ostracise. Many are failing at this, and fall back on old instincts to attack the outcast, but each time we do this compassion building exercise we build our societies ability to show compassion.

That is the real event occurring.
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It doesn't feel like it's about freedom at all though. It's more like wanting america to not only allow it, which it seems to have for my whole lifetime anyway, but to be exuberant about it. I'll never be exuberant about it. It feels kind of stupid to me, to be honest. All the crying about "I just want to be who I really am and you're not letting me" seems like so much useless whining. I don't get to be who I really am either. I don't even know who I really am in that sense.

I am who I have become and any changes I'd like to make don't involve elective cosmetic surgery, so clearly there is something in Caitlyn that is completely outside my experience. The fixation on having to be one gender or the other is what I don't understand. To feel as though you aren't happy unless the world sees you as a member of the opposite sex is not comprehensible to me. Personally I have no particular attachment to my sex.

As far as appearance goes, being attractive as any sex would trump everything for me. The most sensible action I could take then is to optimize my appearance as a male because I already have male features that would detract from a female's attractiveness. In rare instances the opposite may be true though. There are certainly effeminate males out there who would look better as women, but then you have to think about the rest of it. Gender reassignment surgery can't be good for the quality of your orgasms for instance. That's important to me too, and keeping my male genitalia is going to severely limit my options in terms of mates, which was the whole reason I placed such importance on attractiveness to start with. I'm left with the original conclusion that working with what I have is my best option. Assuming everyone else is going through the same thought process and STILL wanting to go through with gender reassignment, there must be something about them that is truly alien to me. I can't understand it, so I can't empathize with them. All I'm left with is "would not bang".

I guess there's a generalized sense of "someone wants something that's eating them up inside, but is afraid to do anything about it for social reasons", but that's not concrete enough to inspire any compassion in me.
 
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SlitheryDee said:
It doesn't feel like it's about freedom at all though. It's more like wanting america to not only allow it, which it seems to have for my whole lifetime anyway, but to be exuberant about it. I'll never be exuberant about it. It feels kind of stupid to me, to be honest. All the crying about "I just want to be who I really am and you're not letting me" seems like so much useless whining. I don't get to be who I really am either. I don't even know who I really am in that sense.

I am who I have become and any changes I'd like to make don't involve elective cosmetic surgery, so clearly there is something in Caitlyn that is completely outside my experience. The fixation on having to be one gender or the other is what I don't understand. To feel as though you aren't happy unless the world sees you as a member of the opposite sex is not comprehensible to me. Personally I have no particular attachment to my sex.

As far as appearance goes, being attractive as any sex would trump everything for me. The most sensible action I could take then is to optimize my appearance as a male because I already have male features that would detract from a female's attractiveness. In rare instances the opposite may be true though. There are certainly effeminate males out there who would look better as women, but then you have to think about the rest of it. Gender reassignment surgery can't be good for the quality of your orgasms for instance. That's important to me too, and keeping my male genitalia is going to severely limit my options in terms of mates, which was the whole reason I placed such importance on attractiveness to start with. I'm left with the original conclusion that working with what I have is my best option. Assuming everyone else is going through the same thought process and STILL wanting to go through with gender reassignment, there must be something about them that is truly alien to me. I can't understand it, so I can't empathize with them. All I'm left with is "would not bang".
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We should be exuberant about people doing what makes them happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
 
HomerJS said:
I'm agnostic about it but I have a few questions.

From what I know the person self gender identifies. How many times does one get to do this? Other then birth if it happens more then once seems frivolous.

Should a gender id be handled legally like a name change?

If a male by sex self identifies as women should they be allowed in a women's locker room? If a gender id women goes into room and begins to change next to a female by sex but still has a penis is that fair to the female?
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All of that is baggage from a sexually repressed and nudity challenged society. That part of the debate plays differently in Europe, for example. They just don't give a crap about nudity to the extent of the US.
 
SMOGZINN said:
The interesting part of this story is not that a famous person changed their gender. It is that gender issues have become a topic of national debate. We as a country is asking the question of just how free do we want our society. We are exercising our ability to extend compassion to people that we don't understand, that we can safely ostracise. Many are failing at this, and fall back on old instincts to attack the outcast, but each time we do this compassion building exercise we build our societies ability to show compassion.

That is the real event occurring.
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I can see that. My only gripe about it is reality TV. I really cannot stand it, all the contrived scenarios and "shock" tactics.
Bruce was a part of it and now this event is in the headlines because of this alone.
I reserve my compassion for the everyday people trying to make it work, who don't have a makeup artist and astronomical wardrobe budget, who will never look like one of those glamor shots.
For the closeted gays living out a sad life of denial.
The openly gay who risk their very lives to be who they are in public.
And please don't tell me about "the message" or how it helps others. The message is whatever the MM wants it to be. Caitlyn was and is a product for sale, and a very profitable one.
 
skyking said:
I can see that. My only gripe about it is reality TV. I really cannot stand it, all the contrived scenarios and "shock" tactics.
Bruce was a part of it and now this event is in the headlines because of this alone.
I reserve my compassion for the everyday people trying to make it work, who don't have a makeup artist and astronomical wardrobe budget, who will never look like one of those glamor shots.
For the closeted gays living out a sad life of denial.
The openly gay who risk their very lives to be who they are in public.
And please don't tell me about "the message" or how it helps others. The message is whatever the MM wants it to be. Caitlyn was and is a product for sale, and a very profitable one.
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Seriously? Where does that happen? Some backwoods town in Mississippi? A bunch of tightassed religions people voice their disapproval of homosexuality, but honestly 99.99% of Americans aren't actually going to do anything about it. Where are the "gay bashing" news stories? It simply doesn't really happen anymore. Stop exaggerating, it's not contributing in any positive way.

I looked up information on transsexual murders, and most of them these days seem to be domestic violence, killed by their partners, and not random hate crimes.
 
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skyking said:
http://q13fox.com/2015/02/10/its-so-wrong-gay-woman-attacked-with-knife-marked-with-homophobic-slurs/
This was nearby. I can find more. I don't see the point in it, unless you want to keep denying it happens.
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Yes, please find more. You talk like it's some kind of epidemic, and that gay people "take their very lives into their hands". I'm not denying it happens, I'm denying that it happens with any frequency.

I see men walking around all the time holding hands, kissing. I have yet to see one of them get attacked.
 
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