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California Wildfires

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Greenman said:
That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.
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In 2019 when fires raged on federal lands in CA

Why didn’t you say poor leadership then?
 
K1052 said:
The sheer volume of material we are talking about here is enormous. Unless he’s going to allow tens of thousands of people in on H2Bs to do this work it’s not going to get done and stay done. Not to mention appropriating the funds to do it on Fed lands.
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We do back burning here in Australia and it is carried out by the fire services, it needs to be controlled burns, You can't have FOB's doing it.:grimacing:

Raking the forests is not a thing.
 
Brovane said:
How is that defined "water supply to fight the fires "? Does that mean the city water supply for a area needs to be sized that every fire hydrant in that area can be in use simultaneously for 72-hours?
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I have no idea. That would be something for an engineer to figure out. It could be that it can't be done at all. We have a couple of examples of what doesn't work very well, seems like a starting point.

The problem is either addressed or ignored. My hunch is it will be addressed through administrative means as that's the cheapest option.
 
All you guys blaming this on chaparral can fuck right off. I was in Oakland for the firestorm. We had 70 mph winds and I was kicking doors open to let animals out. Some times it was 30 seconds between houses catching on fire. There is zero water pressure when houses are burned to the ground. I spent a month in the burn unit at alta bates recovering.
 
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Drach said:
All you guys blaming this on chaparral can fuck right off. I was in Oakland for the firestorm. We had 70 mph winds and I was kicking doors open to let animals out. Some times it was 30 seconds between houses catching on fire. There is zero water pressure when houses are burned to the ground. I spent a month in the burn unit at alta bates recovering.
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I remember that fire. October or November…1992 maybe. I remember that the various fire departments equipment wasn’t compatible. Hoses wouldn’t connect to stuff.
 
Drach said:
All you guys blaming this on chaparral can fuck right off. I was in Oakland for the firestorm. We had 70 mph winds and I was kicking doors open to let animals out. Some times it was 30 seconds between houses catching on fire. There is zero water pressure when houses are burned to the ground. I spent a month in the burn unit at alta bates recovering.
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Are you also going to tell Cal Fire to fuck off?

https://www.fire.ca.gov/dspace
 
brycejones said:
Serious question how do you deal with fast growing brush because of a really wet year followed by a very dry year? Are you advocating for massive variable spending from year to year to make sure each acre is cleared?
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This is a standard phenomenon in the provision and management of public goods, and addressing crises that are non-routine. "Oh! They [party in power] effed it up, and we'll do better! Only I can fix it!"

But your remarks, given what I read earlier today, are spot on. 2022 through 2023 saw record precipitation in CA, and reservoirs became full. The flora on the hillsides also grew by leaps and bounds, then dried out during this recent drought year. There will need to be some sort of flexible spending plan, but otherwise preventive measures -- which will also cost money.

If the weather and related conditions are in any way predictable, the predictions fall amidst a wide variation of uncertainty.
 
Drach said:
Is this a sick joke?
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If you read my posts in this thread I am consistent that the speculation about fire breaks, water, controlled burns is bull shit. So yes it is a bit of sarcasm aimed at that since obviously soaker hoses are useless in 100 mph winds.
 
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Drach said:
All you guys blaming this on chaparral can fuck right off. I was in Oakland for the firestorm. We had 70 mph winds and I was kicking doors open to let animals out. Some times it was 30 seconds between houses catching on fire. There is zero water pressure when houses are burned to the ground. I spent a month in the burn unit at alta bates recovering.
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Fuel (chaparral) is literally 1/3 of the Fire Triangle (Fuels, Oxygen, and Heat). What is your point exactly?

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I'm totally aware that the winds being close to 100mph makes a lot of firefighting tactics next to impossible but ignoring dry fuels as a (partial) cause of this seems to be going down the wrong path here. Fuels reduction being taken seriously at the state and federal level is one of many things that need to change.
 
Greenman said:
Don't know, don't care. Covid came out of Wuhan China. Some people believe it started in a wet market, some people believe it came from the Wuhan covid research lab that was doing gain of function work on the virus.
I know how I'd bet on the source.
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Seriously, why the fuck does it matter to 99.999% of the population where it came from? The idea that if it came out of the lab the response to it would've been/should've been different is stupid.

Lab security should be improved regardless and gain of function research should be highly regulated regardless. The fact Trump somehow convinced people that because it might have come out of a lab that we didn't need to take it seriously makes no sense.
 
Brovane said:
Then you need to do controlled burns. I thin stuff all the time around my property which would be considered chaparral. Some places in CA have had good success with using goats to think back chaparral. It either needs to be thinned out or you going to have more of these types of fires which cost billions of dollar.
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In a time of crisis everyone asks why the government didn't do everything, at all other times people question every dollar the government spends and does everything they can to not pay taxes. Just watched a YouTube video of a normally liberal subjected channel where he was bitching about how much taxes California takes and why or why don't they have enough water pumps to fight urban wildfires when the towers run dry. I.e. "why should we have to pay taxes?" mixed with "why doesn't LA install a $500B water system upgrade that will be used once every 50 years and cost billions a year to maintain?"
 
Ashberto said:
Just an observation from Australia another fire prone country. In an area known for savage fires, cutting back on the FD seems a bit stupid and a recipe for disaster. Saw a news report that a large number of emergency equipment (trucks), are sitting in a boneyard waiting for maintenance, with not enough staff to maintain the fleet.

Amazing that the world's biggest economy cannot fund it's essential services.
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The budget went up 9% yoy, so maybe people should stop getting their facts from twitter and repeating them: https://www.latimes.com/california/...the-l-a-fire-department-really-cut-its-budget

The increase mostly went to higher wages, though. But this is why it is impossible to effectively govern in this day and age, nothing but bullshit. No one wants to be taxes, but everyone wants captain America. If you ever try to cut any budget, people lose their shit.

How come no one is giving NC and Florida shit for how bad their states got fucked by hurricanes this year? Where are all the sea walls Florida?
 
BoomerD said:
Never let a disaster get in the way of making extra profit through price gouging...

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Asking rents skyrocket as LA fires destroy homes

For one listing, rent jumped nearly 86% since September. The agent said she told her client, “People are desperate, and you can probably get good money.”
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I have no doubt this will also apply to "regular" homes for rent in the area as well. With so many people suddenly in the market for someplace to rent...rents will spike.
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I moved to OKC right after the big tornadoes in 2013. Actually my first house hunting trip, a few of the houses I wanted to look at where no longer there. House prices jumped about 10% that summer, due to all the people needing a new place to live and trying to get it before the school year started.
 
gothuevos said:
At least Newsom is done politically after this. But some here will still try to push him in 2028.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877467887457247343
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Did you get your education from Trump University? Maybe you should go spend some time learning who is responsible city water infrastructure, operation, and maintanence. (Hint: generally not the governor)

You sound like the idiots who blame the federal government for local crime rates. Not understanding what level of government is responsible for what.
 
Greenman said:
Don't know, don't care. Covid came out of Wuhan China. Some people believe it started in a wet market, some people believe it came from the Wuhan covid research lab that was doing gain of function work on the virus.
I know how I'd bet on the source.
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Hmm, do you acknowledge the fact that Trump removed the oversight team, that was in place at that very research lab? Or do you also ignore that fact as well?
 
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