California To Give Illegals Drivers Licenses

[Incorruptible]

www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/31...river-licenses/#ixzz256XY6vnF?test=latestnews

Hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants could get California driver's licenses if a bill headed to Gov. Jerry Brown becomes law. The state Assembly Thursday approved a bill that would allow the Department of Motor Vehicles to issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy.
The landmark bill would allow immigrants to use documents they received through the federal program as proof of legal residence at the DMV.
Democratic Assemblyman Gil Cedillo of Los Angeles said he wrote AB2189 to make roads safer, and allow young immigrants to drive to school and to work.
Several Republicans supported the bill, but others in the party spoke against it, saying the state should leave immigration issues to the federal government.

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governor jerry brown wants to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses.

This is just nonsense, these people BROKE THE LAW and should be kicked out not rewarded with drivers licenses.

Do you agree that these people shouldnt get drivers licenses and be kicked out of the country?

 

[cybrsage]

It is being done to prepare for Voter ID laws, so the illegals can still vote.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It is in everybody's best interest, regardless of where they stand on immigration, that all drivers on the road be required to be licensed. That has nothing to do with moving undocumented aliens toward citizenship, necessarily. The idea that it's preferable to have undocumented aliens driving without licenses or insurance, to me, defies common sense.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It is in everybody's best interest, regardless of where they stand on immigration, that all drivers on the road be required to be licensed. That has nothing to do with moving undocumented aliens toward citizenship, necessarily. The idea that it's preferable to have undocumented aliens driving without licenses or insurance, to me, defies common sense.

The licenses need to be flagged so as to not be used for any other purpose of legal status identification.

 

[nehalem256]

It is in everybody's best interest, regardless of where they stand on immigration, that all drivers on the road be required to be licensed. That has nothing to do with moving undocumented aliens toward citizenship, necessarily. The idea that it's preferable to have undocumented aliens driving without licenses or insurance, to me, defies common sense.

I would assume the assumption is that those without driver's licenses if caught would then be deported.

By issuing them driver's licenses you are making it easier to avoid detection and blend in with normal society.

And do you really think that the illegal aliens who are bad driver's are going to be lining up for driver's licenses?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The licenses need to be flagged so as to not be used for any other purpose of legal status identification.

I agree, and assume they would be. A driver's license imparts no status vis a vis immigration status anyway - non-citizens with legal immigration status (e.g., green card holders or working visa holders) are regularly given drivers licenses. Hell, I have a Bahraini drivers license that I was once issued during a military deployment.

 

[nehalem256]

The licenses need to be flagged so as to not be used for any other purpose of legal status identification.

And their addresses handed over to the INS for subsequent deportation

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I would assume the assumption is that those without driver's licenses if caught would then be deported.

By issuing them driver's licenses you are making it easier to avoid detection and blend in with normal society.

And do you really think that the illegal aliens who are bad driver's are going to be lining up for driver's licenses?

They would not necessarily be deported - only if they were undocumented. At least if they have drivers licenses we have a surer way of knowing their true identity (it's often the case that undocumented aliens will use a host of aliases).

I don't see how issuing drivers licenses makes it any easier for people to "avoid detection," particularly if their licenses reflect their undocumented status.

I expect many undocumented aliens would not apply for licenses, but driving without one would put them into the criminal system and, in turn, make it likelier they would ultimately be deported.

The bottom line is that I think it's in the public's best interest to have everyone on the road licensed. To me this is just common sense.

 

[Capt Caveman]

No problem found. If they're eligible to get a work permit and work in this country then they should be eligible to get a driver's license.

 

[nehalem256]

They would not necessarily be deported - only if they were undocumented. At least if they have drivers licenses we have a surer way of knowing their true identity (it's often the case that undocumented aliens will use a host of aliases).

I don't see how issuing drivers licenses makes it any easier for people to "avoid detection," particularly if their licenses reflect their undocumented status.

I expect many undocumented aliens would not apply for licenses, but driving without one would put them into the criminal system and, in turn, make it likelier they would ultimately be deported.

The bottom line is that I think it's in the public's best interest to have everyone on the road licensed. To me this is just common sense.

And now ALL illegal aliens drive without a license and therefore would go into the criminal system is deported. By issuing DLs this makes it less likely.

 

[xj0hnx]

It is in everybody's best interest, regardless of where they stand on immigration, that all drivers on the road be required to be licensed. That has nothing to do with moving undocumented aliens toward citizenship, necessarily. The idea that it's preferable to have undocumented aliens driving without licenses or insurance, to me, defies common sense.

But the question then is, are they going to be required to take a drivers education course?

 

[nehalem256]

But the question then is, are they going to be required to take a drivers education course?

Doesn't matter

Those that are good drivers will bother to take the test and get a DL... maybe.

Those that are bad drivers will say screw and keep driving anyway.

I am not really sure how the streets are any safer. Having a DL does not make you a good driver.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

But the question then is, are they going to be required to take a drivers education course?

Of course. Why wouldn't they be? They will be subject to the same standards as anyone else, including waiting in line at the DMV.

 

[WackyDan]

It is being done to prepare for Voter ID laws, so the illegals can still vote.

Yes... Just like what happened when "motor voter" was implemented... Illegals getting licenses and by default registered to vote... and the left will try to claim that not a single illegal back in the day that got a license actually voted.

It is one of the reasons most states don't issue licenses to illegals anymore.

 

[IGBT]

good. And they should be put ahead of you and your kids for education and jobs too. And you should pay for all of it including any and all welfare/cell phones/drugs/nose bolts tat's they want.

 

[OutHouse]

bad idea.

 

[xj0hnx]

Of course. Why wouldn't they be? They will be subject to the same standards as anyone else, including waiting in line at the DMV.

They're letting them stay in this country without having to go through the proper procedure, why stop there? Who's going to pay for their drivers education classes? Are they actually going to show up for them? What forms of ID are they going to require from them?

 

[OCGuy]

Wait hold on...I'm in CA....you are telling me illegals don't drive already?

Also this is a terrible idea. Illegal immigration brings out the Republican in me.....that would be one of the bright spots of getting the libs out of power. Over-turn the Obama vote-grabbing BS and toss out the illegals.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Wait hold on...I'm in CA....you are telling me illegals don't drive already?

Also this is a terrible idea. Illegal immigration brings out the Republican in me.....that would be one of the bright spots of getting the libs out of power. Over-turn the Obama vote-grabbing BS and toss out the illegals.

Well, the majority of Republicans including Romney were okay with providing some illegals with work permits. All this is doing is allowing those same individuals the ability to get a drivers license.

 

[Moonbeam]

The more Mexicans with licenses or not the better. They have far better family values then even Republicans do and any Republican who had to work 16 hours a day for next to nothing would be pushing Democrats off a cliff if the welfare line for government assistance and unemployment lead by one. Republicans are like hogs at a trough slurping up their slop while training their assholes sights on folk like their grandparents who couldn't just walk in and had to come by ship so they can fire shit on them as they pig out. Pigs think slop is in as short of supply as pig IQ and worry some that falls in the mud might get eaten instead of adorning their piggy toes.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Practical solution to a serious problem.

Whats the alternative?

Exactly.

 

[berzerker60]

Who's going to pay for their drivers education classes? Are they actually going to show up for them? What forms of ID are they going to require from them?

Illegals pay taxes just like the rest of us, just not income taxes (which a large amount of them wouldn't make enough to pay anyway). They pay sales taxes, excise taxes, rent to someone who pays property taxes, the businesses they support pay taxes on additional profits they generate. All the better if they also pay the fees and registrations for their vehicles they're already driving on the roads, and much much better if that means they're able to buy insurance. All the rest of this "why would they even get the license" stuff applies equally to any other person in the US - to avoid tickets, fines, having the car impounded, arrest.

As for the "we should just immediately deport them all, it's black of white" kind of ideas floating around, you guys do understand that this nation was built on illegal immigration, right? American illegal immigrants went to Mexico and took over Texas; American illegals spread to Indian land time after time after time; only by the morally absurd legality of colonialism did we take Hawaii, and would have taken Cuba except that the sugar beet industry didn't want cane sugar inside of the tariff borders.

Obviously that doesn't mean we have to just open the borders, because large blocs of anti-immigrant nativist Know-Nothings is ever bit as American, but let's also not pretend like it's an unpardonable sin that should be passed unto the fifth generation of the father. Deport criminals, deport the recently arrived; keep those who serve in the military, are economically advantageous (including college grads), some hard luck cases like old grandmas with families here; deal with the rest on a case-by-case basis. But in the meantime, make them operate according to the laws as if they were citizens, even if they don't get most of the privileges of citizens like voting.

 

[xj0hnx]

The more Mexicans with licenses or not the better. They have far better family values then even Republicans do and any Republican who had to work 16 hours a day for next to nothing would be pushing Democrats off a cliff if the welfare line for government assistance and unemployment lead by one. Republicans are like hogs at a trough slurping up their slop while training their assholes sights on folk like their grandparents who couldn't just walk in and had to come by ship so they can fire shit on them as they pig out. Pigs think slop is in as short of supply as pig IQ and worry some that falls in the mud might get eaten instead of adorning their piggy toes.

You are insane. I know, I know, I suffer from "truthiness" and "self hate". I don't think you even realize how bad you are, how absolutely blind by partisanship, and hate.

 

[halik]

You are insane. I know, I know, I suffer from "truthiness" and "self hate". I don't think you even realize how bad you are, how absolutely blind by partisanship, and hate.

He's mostly incoherent, not sure if I'd chalk that up to partisanship or just lack of the necessary cognitive processes.

 

[nehalem256]

As for the "we should just immediately deport them all, it's black of white" kind of ideas floating around, you guys do understand that this nation was built on illegal immigration, right? American illegal immigrants went to Mexico and took over Texas; American illegals spread to Indian land time after time after time; only by the morally absurd legality of colonialism did we take Hawaii, and would have taken Cuba except that the sugar beet industry didn't want cane sugar inside of the tariff borders.

Please feel free to show us what Indian immigration laws white people broke