California Spends $21 Billion Annually to Support Undocumented Immigrants

[bfdd]

You are right, no way they cost the state a quarter of its budget but illegal immigration does cost. The true cost is higher than the left admits and lower than the right claims and is all but impossible to actually calculate without making quite a few assumptions.

Example: Illegal immigrants are working on a ton of construction sites in my area and as a result the wages have gone down for most of the trades. There is no way to truly calculate that cost but entry level wages have dropped as much as 25% for some trades.

Illegals are estimated at like 8-10% of California's population if I remember correctly. 25% of the state budget seems high, but any amount is ridiculous.

 

[jihe]

Dude, person without a job was able to get a mortgage. You can thank Wall street for that one.

An illegal immigrant can get a mortgage? Is this real or a joke?


Even though I've been in America for 16 years, sometimes I feel like I'm Dick Solomon from 3rd Rock From the Sun, learning about things that make absolutely no sense.

I couldn't even get a job in high school because I didn't have a green card yet!! But apparently an illegal immigrant is able to get a mortgage. WTF. And what does their foreclosure rate have to do with their legal status?

 

[ShawnD1]

Illegals are estimated at like 8-10% of California's population if I remember correctly. 25% of the state budget seems high, but any amount is ridiculous.

It might not e probable but it's still possible. Example: the regular citizens have health insurance and go to regular doctors out of pocket. If you don't have health insurance, you show up at the ER and skip out on the bill. That's just one example. I'm sure someone can think of another.

 

[techs]

Illegals are estimated at like 8-10% of California's population if I remember correctly. 25% of the state budget seems high, but any amount is ridiculous.

That was my point.

People need to read things on the internet with a modicum of scrutiny. It took like 10 seconds to determine that California's budget was 87 billion and the 21 billion number was ludicrous.

And, any amount is ridiculous? I can think of at least some times it's not. I wouldn't want people with TB walking around and working untreated.
And, I would want everyone treated in a hospital in an emergency because sometimes you just don't have identification on you.


btw securing the border is an impossibility. Unless you plan on spending like 25 percent of the US budget to secure 1500 miles of land and a couple of thousand of seacoast. And that is only to the south, not counting Canada. It's a myth that we could or would be able to do it. It cost the Russians a fortune to secure one small area around Berlin.

The only real way to cut back illegal immigration is to make it a serious crime to hire a large number of illegals. Did you notice the restuarant chain that just fired HALF its staff in Minnesota because they were illegals? Unfortunately its large corporations that are providing a huge amount of relatively no questions asked jobs for illegals that is the real problem. And you will never get a certain political party to agree to laws punishing corporations.

 

[simpletron]

Illegals are estimated at like 8-10% of California's population if I remember correctly. 25% of the state budget seems high, but any amount is ridiculous.

here is the report, where the 21 billion number is coming from.
http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf?docID=4921

It breaks thing down into federal and state/local. So a comparison against just the state budget is improper; you must compare against the combined budget of state and all local governments. Los Angeles County's budget is 23.6 Billion for ~9-10 million of the ~36 million in california, so it should be easy to assume the total state/local spend is around 180 to 200 billion(note: this is a ballpark estimate if you have better numbers I will defer to it). So 21 billion of 200 billion is a little over 10% and the the illegal population is a little under 10%.

The report made the following assumption to "inflate" the numbers:
In our cost estimates we also include the minor children of illegal aliens born in the United States. That adds another 3.4 million children to the 1.3 million children who are illegal aliens themselves.We include these U.S. citizen children of illegal aliens because the fiscal outlays for them are a direct result of the illegal migration that led to their U.S. birth.

Since education is the largest cost of illegal aliens, nearly quadrupling the number of kids greatly increases the total cost. Education costs are 11 billion for illegals in california, but it is really ~3 billion for illegal alien children and ~8 billion for US citizens children of illegal aliens.

 

[chucky2]

Seems OK to me. Those kids wouldn't be here if there was no invasion, they'd be in Mexico, and Mexico's problem.

 

[Zebo]

Invasion? WTF right is as bad as left is on this issue. Left say importing poverty doesn't hurt us but helps us and right calls it an invasion. Both idiots. Technically the land belonged to them. I don;t know whether you noticed but Mexicans crossing are not white Mexicans which make up about 13% of Mexico but indigenous. Many of which were thrown out under various administrations and certainly had land taken in Mexican American war and by Spain before that. A real invasion with guns and slaughters and stuff. Not economic re-settlement. I agree with La Raza's position at the same time I understand poor Americans don't enjoy being thrust into low wage labor pool with unlimited supply of third world labor.

 

[Infohawk]

Invasion? WTF right is as bad as left is on this issue. Left say importing poverty doesn't hurt us but helps us and right calls it an invasion. Both idiots. Technically the land belonged to them. I don;t know whether you noticed but Mexicans crossing are not white Mexicans which make up about 13% of Mexico but indigenous. Many of which were thrown out under various administrations and certainly had land taken in Mexican American war and by Spain before that. A real invasion with guns and slaughters and stuff. Not economic re-settlement. I agree with La Raza's position at the same time I understand poor Americans don't enjoy being thrust into low wage labor pool with unlimited supply of third world labor.

Saying that the southwest is "their" land is a real oversimplification. The Mexicans coming over today are not the same Mexicans that lived in the Southwest. The big flaw is acting like "indigenous" is some monolithic group.

 

[Brovane]

here is the report, where the 21 billion number is coming from.
http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf?docID=4921

It breaks thing down into federal and state/local. So a comparison against just the state budget is improper; you must compare against the combined budget of state and all local governments. Los Angeles County's budget is 23.6 Billion for ~9-10 million of the ~36 million in california, so it should be easy to assume the total state/local spend is around 180 to 200 billion(note: this is a ballpark estimate if you have better numbers I will defer to it). So 21 billion of 200 billion is a little over 10% and the the illegal population is a little under 10%.

The report made the following assumption to "inflate" the numbers:
In our cost estimates we also include the minor children of illegal aliens born in the United States. That adds another 3.4 million children to the 1.3 million children who are illegal aliens themselves.We include these U.S. citizen children of illegal aliens because the fiscal outlays for them are a direct result of the illegal migration that led to their U.S. birth.

Since education is the largest cost of illegal aliens, nearly quadrupling the number of kids greatly increases the total cost. Education costs are 11 billion for illegals in california, but it is really ~3 billion for illegal alien children and ~8 billion for US citizens children of illegal aliens.

I would buy into that. Both of my children are in elementary school in Lake Forest, CA. It is a little ridicoulous all the hispanics at the elementary school. I feel in a lot of ways this is affecting my childs education. They come into the schools little to no English. So guess which kids get the most attention since they are behind? Yes the hispanic kids get the most attention, while my daughters education suffers. All the documents to parents are printed in both Spanish and English, WTF? Back to school night had a separate Spanish only presentation for the parents, again WTF? My daughter sits next to a hispanic girl, Lopita. It kind of frosted me when the children had a field trip in October last year. I had to pay $20 to help pay for the field trip. I really don't mind that, $20 no big deal to help out the school. Well apparently the teacher mixed up Lopita paperwork with my daughters for the permission slips for the Field trip. Guess how much Lopita's parents have to pay? That is right $0, they don't have to pay anything for the field trip but I have to pay. If you want to immigrate into this country, learn the language and do it legally. I am sorry but it shouldn't be the job of the US to educate the worlds children that have parents that decide to enter the US illegally. I am sure that people will attack me now for a being a heartless conservative.

 

[Darwin333]

Invasion? WTF right is as bad as left is on this issue. Left say importing poverty doesn't hurt us but helps us and right calls it an invasion. Both idiots. Technically the land belonged to them. I don;t know whether you noticed but Mexicans crossing are not white Mexicans which make up about 13% of Mexico but indigenous. Many of which were thrown out under various administrations and certainly had land taken in Mexican American war and by Spain before that. A real invasion with guns and slaughters and stuff. Not economic re-settlement. I agree with La Raza's position at the same time I understand poor Americans don't enjoy being thrust into low wage labor pool with unlimited supply of third world labor.

They lost. We jacked their land, fuck em. They probably jacked the land from someone else at some point a long ass time ago too. It is kinda the way the world (used to) work.

We ain't giving the rest of the country back to the Native Americans either.

 

[chucky2]

They lost. We jacked their land, fuck em. They probably jacked the land from someone else at some point a long ass time ago too. It is kinda the way the world (used to) work.

We ain't giving the rest of the country back to the Native Americans either.

I would buy into that. Both of my children are in elementary school in Lake Forest, CA. It is a little ridicoulous all the hispanics at the elementary school. I feel in a lot of ways this is affecting my childs education. They come into the schools little to no English. So guess which kids get the most attention since they are behind? Yes the hispanic kids get the most attention, while my daughters education suffers. All the documents to parents are printed in both Spanish and English, WTF? Back to school night had a separate Spanish only presentation for the parents, again WTF? My daughter sits next to a hispanic girl, Lopita. It kind of frosted me when the children had a field trip in October last year. I had to pay $20 to help pay for the field trip. I really don't mind that, $20 no big deal to help out the school. Well apparently the teacher mixed up Lopita paperwork with my daughters for the permission slips for the Field trip. Guess how much Lopita's parents have to pay? That is right $0, they don't have to pay anything for the field trip but I have to pay. If you want to immigrate into this country, learn the language and do it legally. I am sorry but it shouldn't be the job of the US to educate the worlds children that have parents that decide to enter the US illegally. I am sure that people will attack me now for a being a heartless conservative.

According to the Libs here, you are a scum NeoCon. Feel the guilt they feel, or else, you're a NeoCon! Remember, feel guilty...

Chuck

 

[fskimospy]

I would buy into that. Both of my children are in elementary school in Lake Forest, CA. It is a little ridicoulous all the hispanics at the elementary school. I feel in a lot of ways this is affecting my childs education. They come into the schools little to no English. So guess which kids get the most attention since they are behind? Yes the hispanic kids get the most attention, while my daughters education suffers. All the documents to parents are printed in both Spanish and English, WTF? Back to school night had a separate Spanish only presentation for the parents, again WTF? My daughter sits next to a hispanic girl, Lopita. It kind of frosted me when the children had a field trip in October last year. I had to pay $20 to help pay for the field trip. I really don't mind that, $20 no big deal to help out the school. Well apparently the teacher mixed up Lopita paperwork with my daughters for the permission slips for the Field trip. Guess how much Lopita's parents have to pay? That is right $0, they don't have to pay anything for the field trip but I have to pay. If you want to immigrate into this country, learn the language and do it legally. I am sorry but it shouldn't be the job of the US to educate the worlds children that have parents that decide to enter the US illegally. I am sure that people will attack me now for a being a heartless conservative.

No, we will just point out to you that you're making the same nativist arguments that have been made by Americans for more than two centuries now. The same nativist arguments that tried to keep out Asian immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, etc... etc. The very backbone of our diversity that we love to trumpet so frequently was fought every step of the way using identical ideas to yours.

In the end, they were wrong every time.

 

[Brovane]

No, we will just point out to you that you're making the same nativist arguments that have been made by Americans for more than two centuries now. The same nativist arguments that tried to keep out Asian immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, etc... etc. The very backbone of our diversity that we love to trumpet so frequently was fought every step of the way using identical ideas to yours.

In the end, they were wrong every time.

Do they really want to be Americans or do they want to bring Mexico to the US? Did US education system provide translators for the Asian, German and Italian immigrants when they came over? Print school documents in both German and English? Did the immigrants come over legally or illegally?

Also what assistance is the Federal government giving to the states to deal with illegal immigrants, since immigration policy and enforcement is a national issue?

I don't have a problem with legal immigration. Actually I think the US should make it easier for immigrants to come into the US to live here legally. In some ways I think it would help since they know they are here permamently. Also it would help prevent business from exploiting the illegal immigrants. What I do have a problem with is being that come over here illegally. Have children or bring children with them.

 

[fskimospy]

Do they really want to be Americans or do they want to bring Mexico to the US? Did US education system provide translators for the Asian, German and Italian immigrants when they came over? Print school documents in both German and English? Did the immigrants come over legally or illegally?

Also what assistance is the Federal government giving to the states to deal with illegal immigrants, since immigration policy and enforcement is a national issue?

I don't have a problem with legal immigration. Actually I think the US should make it easier for immigrants to come into the US to live here legally. In some ways I think it would help since they know they are here permamently. Also it would help prevent business from exploiting the illegal immigrants. What I do have a problem with is being that come over here illegally. Have children or bring children with them.

Yes, plenty of things were printed in both German and English in Pennsylvania at the time German immigration was at its height (well, on a relative scale. They didn't print that much back then), the US education system was so slipshod during those times it barely provided teaching for english speaking students, much less anyone else. For most of that time there were very little immigration controls, except eventually for the racist chinese exclusion act and things like that, widely repudiated today.

 

[chucky2]

The essential message here Brovane is that if you're not for completely unchecked Mexican invasion, you're a NeoCon.

If you're not for going through the costs of printing and creating systems in Spanish because people who have chosen to illegally live here en masse can understand said systems, you're a NeoCon.

If you're not for these things to continue, because it's not about your country it's about what Mexican's need, you're a NeoCon.

After all is said, that's what it boils down to. NeoCon!

 

[davmat787]

Eskimo: But there is no diversity left in immigration, it has become an unchecked run for the border. We can't just have unchecked mass immigration an maintain a standard of living that is sustainable. I am all for having a sane immigration policy, but it should apply equally and in a controlled fashion.

-signed, first gen LEGAL immigrant

 

[chucky2]

Careful davmat787, you're sounding like a NeoCon!

 

[davmat787]

Careful davmat787, you're sounding like a NeoCon!

I share your frustration. To be fair, I find comments from the extreme other end like "you are a pinko socialist!" to be just as disingenuous. :biggrin:

 

[chucky2]

Haha, I too!