California Spends $21 Billion Annually to Support Undocumented Immigrants

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Steeplerot

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How about just securing our border and asking all the people here illegally to leave, since, you know, they're here illegally?

Is that too much to ask?

Like many other "conservative" talking points, sure. Until you think for a minute, then its obvious nonsense in reality and a easy excuse for folks pointing out the word "illegal" as its the edgy thing to do for white folks on a victim trip nowadays.

The "illegal" subject as a whole is a bullshit smokescreen so a few rich white assholes can make a buck on the tee-vee pimping division and fear of brown people.

We have tons of "illegals" all over the place here and they are good people. Not the paranoid d-bags who make up the south or middle america who blame them for every problem under the sun.

A trip through a hot desert would do quite a few of you some good to have some respect for what you have/born with.


Remember, most of you worked REALLY hard to fall out of a vag behind some arbitrary line didn't you? So that's where your entitlement complex comes from? Get a sense of perspective before you judge my stance.
 
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chucky2

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Er, "think for a minute"? There are millions of illegals already in the US. Hundreds of thousands are still entering the US. There is no "think for a minute", that's fact. Undisputable fact.

Until that situation is corrected, what else is there to "think" about?

Chuck
 

Steeplerot

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Er, "think for a minute"? There are millions of illegals already in the US. Hundreds of thousands are still entering the US. There is no "think for a minute", that's fact. Undisputable fact.

Until that situation is corrected, what else is there to "think" about?

Chuck

Sounds scary!! MILLIONS!11!!! Yes, millions just like the past few centuries in this country, and we have ONLY GOT STRONGER, regardless of whichever folks are the elites using the same tired fearmongering every century or so.

No, what we have is not a perfect situation, but it is actually a non-issue as it has been going on from DAY 1 that we started settling the west and stealing Spanish lands back then. This is more bullshit manufactured into a big deal by RW mass media. We have ALWAYS had this situation going on in one way/peoples or another. And the USA is fine. Relax beavis. Paco is not coming for your jerb. He probably just wants to be left the hell alone to feed his family in a rough situation without people being a asshole and blaming him for the worlds ills.

Just say you don't want them voting Democratic if they got citizenship everyone knows thats what it is about, using half-assed race-baiting to frame the issue helps no one except those who wish to keep the status-quo. (the same assholes who made this into a big deal in the first place)

You Republicans hate them so much, yet if you used your heads for a minute and thought about the history of migration here you would see this could be your meal ticket for the Reps to not dissapear into obscurity as a party once the electorate demographic shifts away from the boomers.

But yeah, go ahead and keep trying to balkanize the USA. Only thing you guys are doing is turning all minorities off to the gop -even more.
 
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chucky2

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Er, I don't care about what Paco wants. I care about what the country wants. And the country - like every single other country that exists in this entire Earth - wants its borders secure. Secure as in, Millions don't pour across it every year unchecked.

Period. End of story.

When the borders are locked down, then we can talk about who we're going to allow to immigrate here and in what quantities.

I believe I see what you're wanting: You just want literally anyone to be able to come here, for any reason, because, well, because.

That didn't work out so well for the Native Americans....we (the US) ought to maybe learn what happens when you don't check unwanted mass immigration...

At this point I think we can all agree to disagree with you, based on your views. Perhaps, you could just go move to Mexico, illegally of course? Then you'd be surrounded by brown people, and you'd be seemingly happy?

Chuck
 

Steeplerot

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Er, I don't care about what Paco wants. I care about what the country wants. And the country - like every single other country that exists in this entire Earth - wants its borders secure. Secure as in, Millions don't pour across it every year unchecked.

Period. End of story.

When the borders are locked down, then we can talk about who we're going to allow to immigrate here and in what quantities.

I believe I see what you're wanting: You just want literally anyone to be able to come here, for any reason, because, well, because.

That didn't work out so well for the Native Americans....we (the US) ought to maybe learn what happens when you don't check unwanted mass immigration...

At this point I think we can all agree to disagree with you, based on your views. Perhaps, you could just go move to Mexico, illegally of course? Then you'd be surrounded by brown people, and you'd be seemingly happy?

Chuck

Sounds good and all, but "reality" once again will not fit into small neat logic spaces like that, regardless of how pre-packaged it is for mass consumption by corporate media.

We all want free flatulent unicorns, it's tough dealing in grown-up non-black and white subjects huh?
 
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chucky2

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Tough dealing with group-up non-black and white subjects??? Er, it's fairly black and white:

There's a border, with a country called the United States of America on one side, and Mexico on the other. Each country has its own legal means of entering. Millions from the country called Mexico have decided that's not good enough for them, so, they're illegally entering - and staying - in the country called United States of America. Many - no where close to the majority, but many - in this "USA" country have chosen to exploit these illegals, and wish this illegal invasion to continue for their own gain. The other vast majority of these "USA" people wish it to stop. Yesterday. The "USA" Politicians do nothing, because it's the easy thing to do, and, because in large part, they're bought off by their respective special interest group.

Now...you've said you're in the US. Are you a legal "USA" citizen, a legal guest of the "USA", or, here illegally?

Because I really can't see how if you're a "USA" citizen, and not one of those that likes seeing/doing exploiting of illegals, how you could possibly, in any imaginable way, want the illegal invasion of these (by you) "brown people" to continue, so your own country keeps getting invaded, and these people perpetually keep getting exploited.

Which are you now?

Chuck
 

bfdd

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there is no "left" "right" "conservative" or "liberal" approach that is correct. you need a little of everything, compromise and the willingness to work to get things done. picking sides is what ignorant people do to ignore all possible options.
 

chucky2

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I'm all for compromise! Just lock down the border first, so we know who and what amount we're compromising with. Then we can compromise our @sses off. I'm just for Amenesty at that point. But, lets get to that point. Quickly.
 

bfdd

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I'm all for compromise! Just lock down the border first, so we know who and what amount we're compromising with. Then we can compromise our @sses off. I'm just for Amenesty at that point. But, lets get to that point. Quickly.

chucky2, I'm just making a general statement it wasn't directed at you or any others. I am in favor of locking down the border at the moment. It needs to be done, but it's one of many steps required(imo) to fix the problem.
 

davmat787

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It's ironic if you think about it. The republicans are in a mad rush to get as many jobs out of the country as possible, and the democrats want to give the remaining jobs to illegal immigrants.

This, so THIS. And while this is happening, the extremes of left and right fight with eachother, which drowns out the middle and obfuscates the real issues.
 
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chucky2

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chucky2, I'm just making a general statement it wasn't directed at you or any others. I am in favor of locking down the border at the moment. It needs to be done, but it's one of many steps required(imo) to fix the problem.

NeoCon!!!

:D
 

Brigandier

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I say, let all the Mexicans come here, and then we can go to Mexico and not worry about snow.
 

Brigandier

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If they leave their hot women, and we leave our fatties behind, I'm down with that....

I don't think you've seen a hot Hispanic woman 15 years later...

Oh, and TheRedUnderMyBed, why would I pack when all my clothes are made in Mexico?
 

techs

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lol


I can't wait to see the "counters" to this argument.

They are right in the article.

The numbers don't add up.
California's ENTIRE budget is 87 billion. No way a quarter of that is going to illegal aliens. NO WAY.

In fact, the article only talks about the 1.6 billion the Los Angeles County Supervisor claims that county spends. Los Angeles county has a population of 10 million out of a total California population of 37 million. So the numbers don't add up. Even assuming LA county doesn't have a higher average spending on social services (which it does) if you just muliply 1.6 billion by 3.7 you get only 5.92 billion.
But wait. The illegals pay sales taxes, gas taxes, etc. So they actually give back a bunch of that.

So anyone who actually read the article will realize the 21 billion quoted is not given a source at ALL. Sounds like right wing b.s. to me.


Case closed. Article is obviously false.
 

bfdd

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yes techs, because the population of california is 30m.... not including illegals.
 

Hacp

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What do illegals do? They take jobs away from teenagers. They take jobs away from blue collar American workers. They leech off state services including school for their children. Round them up. Deport them. Then make a wall that will vaporize anyone who tries to cross it.
 

Darwin333

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The usual conclusion that people make here before even starting to type is that somehow Mexico is full of "lesser" people. Unfortunately TV has provided enough phrases to be ambiguous enough racism is easy to ignore, that is unless you are looking outside, then it is plain as day. (and a good part of folks in here are outwardly racist anyhow and dont even bother trying to be moderate)


First of all, not all "brown" people are Mexican and neither are all of the illegal immigrants. Secondly, I haven't seen many posts that imply Latinos are "lesser" people. Matter of fact, most of the posts I have read (granted, I do skim and skip over the idiots) imply that they are hard working decent folk. You have a couple posts about some not wanting to integrate but that is rather irrelevant to the discussion. Otherwise, it was a discussion based mainly on math, trade policy, and economy.

What I did see was some intelligent discussion about the actual implications of vastly expanding our workforce with people willing to work for far less then the existing workforce in an environment of declining jobs. At least until you came along. As far as I can see you have injected race into the discussion far more than anyone else.

Race is irrelevant, the math is what matters and the math doesn't seem to be on Cali's side right about now (in general).
 

Darwin333

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Like many other "conservative" talking points, sure. Until you think for a minute, then its obvious nonsense in reality and a easy excuse for folks pointing out the word "illegal" as its the edgy thing to do for white folks on a victim trip nowadays.

The "illegal" subject as a whole is a bullshit smokescreen so a few rich white assholes can make a buck on the tee-vee pimping division and fear of brown people.

We have tons of "illegals" all over the place here and they are good people. Not the paranoid d-bags who make up the south or middle america who blame them for every problem under the sun.

A trip through a hot desert would do quite a few of you some good to have some respect for what you have/born with.


Remember, most of you worked REALLY hard to fall out of a vag behind some arbitrary line didn't you? So that's where your entitlement complex comes from? Get a sense of perspective before you judge my stance.

What does that have to do with math?

Most people in general are good and decent folk regardless of race. The discussion isn't about how nice they are it is about if we can afford to continue down the road we are on.
 

Darwin333

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They are right in the article.

The numbers don't add up.
California's ENTIRE budget is 87 billion. No way a quarter of that is going to illegal aliens. NO WAY.

You are right, no way they cost the state a quarter of its budget but illegal immigration does cost. The true cost is higher than the left admits and lower than the right claims and is all but impossible to actually calculate without making quite a few assumptions.

Example: Illegal immigrants are working on a ton of construction sites in my area and as a result the wages have gone down for most of the trades. There is no way to truly calculate that cost but entry level wages have dropped as much as 25% for some trades.