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California running out of money

winnar111

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081210/ts_csm/abellyup

Sacramento, Calif. ? California lawmakers just got a Henry Paulson-like ultimatum from state officials: If they don't act, the state could be forced to suspend road, bridge, and other public-works projects as early as next week. Come March, California will be out of cash for even day-to-day operations.

A confluence of the national recession and years of legislative budget games is squeezing the Golden State as never before. Although it's not the largest budget gap the state has ever faced, this time it will be harder for California to get help from private lenders. Standard & Poor's now ranks it lower than any other state except Louisiana, which shares the same rating.

The question is: Will lawmakers finally make the tough budget decisions they've put off for so long?

"Because California does have a perennial budget crisis, it's very easy to fall into the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome," says Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. "This time the sky is really falling."

The state faces a $28 billion budget shortfall over the next two years. If nothing is done, nearly $5 billion in public-works projects could be halted in little more than a week for lack of bond sales ? everything from bridge replacements to a new highway tunnel and billions of dollars' worth of school construction, according to state Treasurer Bill Lockyer.

Already, the state failed to attract enough buyers three weeks ago to sell all of the bonds it had floated, he told state lawmakers Monday. "Expecting investors to purchase our bonds now, when we can't agree on a budget that lenders can rely on, is like expecting someone to buy a stock when they know it's losing value," said Mr. Lockyer.

He and three other state finance officials testified Monday in a rare joint session of the legislature.

The picture worsens next spring if legislators don't pass some plan to increase revenues or cut spending or both. California will run out of operating cash in March, state controller John Chiang told the lawmakers. The recession has severely squeezed state tax revenues.

Normally, the state would borrow to cover any shortfall. But internal revenue sources have already been depleted and outside lenders are less accommodating.

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's. "It's because, financially, they've had budgets that have not proved realistic. They've had large deficits and they've only been able to pay for their budgets through borrowing for the last couple years."

Mr. Chiang said the state may be forced to seek special loans at exorbitant rates or issue IOUs to state workers and vendors, further damaging the California economy.

"Failure is not an option here," said Chiang, referring to the need to align state spending and revenues. "It would take years to recover ... deepening and prolonging the recession."

Bringing the budget back in line will require drastic cuts, significant tax raises, or both. Those options will harm the economy in the short run and cost the state jobs ? but so would any delay in taking action, said legislative analyst Mac Taylor.

Not fixing the budget would worsen the state's credit rating, making infrastructure projects even harder to fund.

"It means that the stimulus that we all want won't occur," Lockyer said. "Millions of dollars that would have gone to thousands of private-sector businesses, creating tens of thousands of jobs, will be cut off."

Other states are stuck in similar positions of budget duress, making federal money key to jump-starting their economies, says Stephen Levy, director and senior economist at the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy.

Washington could also help California by backstopping state and local bonds with a federal guarantee. That would reassure investors, preventing the freeze-up in infrastructure projects. It would almost certainly cost the federal government nothing, says Mr. Levy. President-elect Obama hasn't advocated this yet, he adds, but his advisers are discussing the option.

Even with federal guarantees for bonds, lawmakers in Sacramento would still have to tackle the budget deficit, notes Levy.

During the joint session, members listened attentively, but their questions and statements afterward didn't reveal much softening of positions. Republicans signaled continued opposition to tax raises, while Democrats stressed they had already countenanced "devastating spending cuts" and some new revenue was needed. Democrats are a few seats shy of a full two-thirds majority needed to pass a budget on their own.

"It's not clear what my colleagues on the other side of the aisle want," said Karen Bass (D), speaker of the state Assembly, who helped organize Monday's joint session.

"I didn't hear anything that was new today," says Sen. Jeff Denham (R). "People around the state would expect us to deal with all of the waste first, get rid of all the bells and whistles."

To that end, he's proposing eliminating a $2 million waste-management board and supports selling state property, like San Quentin prison. He would close tax loopholes but wouldn't name any taxes he thought Republicans would be willing to raise.

"My guess is you can find a small number of Republican votes for additional taxes if there is a trade-off for some job and business incentives," says Mr. Schnur. Possible incentives include scrapping stringent 40-hour workweek regulations and scaling back on the state's ambitious greenhouse-gas targets, he says.




But, but, green jobs and obsessive regulation was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues! Stem cell voodoo was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues!

And nobody wants to buy their bonds. Go figure, investors think the state economy is a load of shit. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: winnar111

But, but, green jobs and obsessive regulation was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues! Stem cell voodoo was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues!

And nobody wants to buy their bonds. Go figure, investors think the state economy is a load of shit. :laugh:

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's.

Oh Winnar.
 
California is a mess, though other states are also in budget crises.

I thought Arnie sold billions in bonds a couple months ago. What happened to it?
I didn't hear anything that was new today
Government is uniquely disqualified to solve its own budget problems. You see states with massive budgets and they obsess over a few million here or there because they are mortified at pissing off too many people, even though it's the only way to pull back spending.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111

But, but, green jobs and obsessive regulation was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues! Stem cell voodoo was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues!

And nobody wants to buy their bonds. Go figure, investors think the state economy is a load of shit. :laugh:

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's.

Oh Winnar.

Guess Mr. Hitchcock is wrong, eh.
 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is what republican governor's get you.
No. NY state is in a bad way, too and was put there while spitzer was at the helm, although he may have been more helm's deep in his whore than budget, who knows.

 
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is what republican governor's get you.
No. NY state is in a bad way, too and was put there while spitzer was at the helm, although he may have been more helm's deep in his whore than budget, who knows.

It is in a bad way, but that's because the economy isn't quite as deep, or diverse. Financials support a massive portion of the budget.

As it stands, Patterson is hacking away at the budget with zeal.
 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is what republican governor's get you.

What did he do, fail to raise taxes?

It's the socialist legislature that has forced this pork barrel state to fail.
 
Cut-Tax, spend, and borrow, has proven to be a failed business model. It's like a business cutting prices, running a loss, and continually financing itself with debt. The business claims it'll make profit by selling more units. Wait? What? YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY UNIT NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU MAKE! Good ole Bezos, even now his idiot saying has current context.

How can you be expected to get out of this situation? You make or lose (or break even) by aligning revenues with costs. Fuck "trickle down" economics. It's a failure and anybody chanting its mantra needs to be castrated to remove any ability for future generations of mindless idiots.

CA needs a hatchetman, not a yes man. Same thing with the US once the economy settles down.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111

But, but, green jobs and obsessive regulation was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues! Stem cell voodoo was supposed to create jobs and tax revenues!

And nobody wants to buy their bonds. Go figure, investors think the state economy is a load of shit. :laugh:

"It's not because of [California's] economy, because it's deep and diverse," says David Hitchcock, primary credit analyst for California with Standard & Poor's.

Oh Winnar.

Guess Mr. Hitchcock is wrong, eh.

Yeah, I mean who is the primary credit analyst for California with one of the most respected credit agencies in the world compared to a guy on a message board who has a history of not even reading the articles he posts?
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
CA needs a hatchetman, not a yes man.

Hatchetmen don't get elected or reelected. Though you're right, that's exactly what they need - yet such a governor would stand alone. Alone against the legislature, and to that they are powerless.

I lived in CA when Arnold tried to be the hatchetman. He had measures on the ballot that the people had to support for him to have the power to cut the state spending. The Unions defeated him and turned public opinion against cutting their spending. So the spending continues and nothing is going to stop it short of complete and utter failure.

That is why this result is unavoidable. The Democrats of the state will not allow any other path to be walked down. They own it, and they are getting their just dessert.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.

So your theory is that any state with a republican governor and legislature will be doing well economically right?

Or do you not have a theory, you're just hurling random crap out because you're a partisan hack who listens to equally illogical fools? You post fairly often, usually whatever nonsense the right wing noise machine is spewing, but do you ever think, "What's my point?"
 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.

So your theory is that any state with a republican governor and legislature will be doing well economically right?

Or do you not have a theory, you're just hurling random crap out because you're a partisan hack who listens to equally illogical fools? You post fairly often, usually whatever nonsense the right wing noise machine is spewing, but do you ever think, "What's my point?"

The only one who's mentioned a Republican Governor is you.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

I'll make it simple right back: Democrats want to continue their decade(s) of unregulated spending without any plan for how to pay for it.

CA's mess is just as much the Democratic state legislature's as it is anyone else. Their stance of refusing to cut programs shows how out of touch they are with the realities of budgeting and accounting.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.

Unlike most states, the budget has to pass by a 2/3 majority, giving the minority Republicans effective veto power over the budget.
Arnold has cut nothing from the one thing most responsible for killing California, the prison-industrial complex. Prisons, prison guards, police, sheriffs, judges, prosecutors, lawyers, etc.. are all feeding at the trough in California. End the drug war and get rid of the 3 strikes and mandatory sentencing idiocy.
California still has the best universities in the country, in spite of Republicans controlling the governor's office for most of the past 30 years.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

There's a Republican in California?!?

(Yes, I know there's an (R) after Arnie's name, but only in Cali is he a Repub. Everywhere else, he's a Democrat).
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.

So your theory is that any state with a republican governor and legislature will be doing well economically right?

Or do you not have a theory, you're just hurling random crap out because you're a partisan hack who listens to equally illogical fools? You post fairly often, usually whatever nonsense the right wing noise machine is spewing, but do you ever think, "What's my point?"

The only one who's mentioned a Republican Governor is you.

Yeah guys, states with Republican legislatures are fine. You know, states that are currently insolvent such as Ohio.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: marincounty
Apparently the Republican's strategy of borrowing money and cutting taxes is not working out. Note they are still refusing to raise any kind of tax unless they get anti-labor provisions also.
I'll make it simple: Republicans want to take away your overtime and your lunchbreak.

And I've got news for you red staters, you're state will be going broke very soon, so quit gloating.

What Republican strategy? Arnold has pursued a whole bunch of waste, and the state is packed with Democrats in the legislatures.

Unlike most states, the budget has to pass by a 2/3 majority, giving the minority Republicans effective veto power over the budget.
Arnold has cut nothing from the one thing most responsible for killing California, the prison-industrial complex. Prisons, prison guards, police, sheriffs, judges, prosecutors, lawyers, etc.. are all feeding at the trough in California. End the drug war and get rid of the 3 strikes and mandatory sentencing idiocy.
California still has the best universities in the country, in spite of Republicans controlling the governor's office for most of the past 30 years.

Except they're still the minority power, anyway, and can't actually pass anything....

A couple years ago Arnold dumped $62 million into some global warming initiative. And this gem from 4 years ago when he initially came into office:

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...m1282/is_/ai_112493438

After countless hours combing through the budget with star budget director Donna Arduin, we realized that the state faces roughly $15 billion annual deficits, twice as high as expected, from here to eternity. California's budget deficit is now larger than those of the other 49 states combined--and this state is already the most indebted in the nation.

But Arnold is right to focus on igniting growth as the first step toward ending California's miseries. Between June 2000, the height of the boom, and the end of 2003, the state has had a negative growth rate in overall revenues after inflation. Why? Because, for the first time in the state's history, more taxpayers have left California than have entered it over a given three-year period. According to data from the State Board of Equalization, about 80 percent of the state's revenue losses were a result of disappearing millionaires. Some of this was a result of the dot bomb in Silicon Valley. But a lot of it was policy-driven. The leftists in the state legislature have made it clear through high taxes and anti-business regulations that they despise rich people, so the rich people have retaliated by leaving. The number of reported millionaires in California plunged from 44,000 in 2000 to 29,000 in 2002.


Looks like Gray Davis pwned the state. :laugh:

And the state can only get worse once Obama comes in and takes all the money away from the Hollywood liberals and gives it to the UAW in Michigan.
 
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