California Must Be Doing Something Right Despite Trump hating it so much

[Paratus]

No one has an excuse? So anyone could do it? If that’s the case why are you in here bragging about it?

 

[MrSquished]

No one has an excuse? So anyone could do it? If that’s the case why are you in here bragging about it?

Apparently he ate so many fucking beans growing up and saving money while working his way througf school that his brains are now actual beans. Don't expect much from this winner

 

[Paratus]

That’s completely true about Texas property taxes. Although I seem to remember you saying that you won’t be paying for others to keep houses. So you must be pretty pissed paying taxes for all these old people who get out of it for free.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Are we really expected to believe this rather obvious fiction to be true?

 

[Victorian Gray]

He must be one of those people who support Texas seceding from the union.

A Russian?

https://www.houstoniamag.com/articles/2017/12/4/russia-texas-secession-facebook-page-heart-of-texas

http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article182765686.html

 

[Victorian Gray]

[QUOTE="]It's not fiction when its true, trade school cost me 10 grand, I saved that up working my ass off, my mother died of cancer and my dad was always a deadbeat, divorced my mom because she wouldn't take her daily beatings from him. I grew up in hell, no white privilege existed for me just like it doesn't exist for anyone else. I pulled myself out of the mire and made something of myself. I brag about it because no one else seems willing to do it, you all want government handouts, you want to uplifted without doing a damn thing yourselves.[/QUOTE]

Nothing but typical modern American conservative buzzwords and lies. It's like you all read from the same script. Dude, at least try and be original. With every sock repeating the exact same bootstrap stories over and over and over it wears thin very quickly.

In other words, you're being boring and unoriginal. 4/10

 

[spacejamz]

Texas should go ahead and secede so it can be the ultimate shithole country. Right now it's just a shithole state.

Funny, for being such a shithole state, it is the number one state where the residents and businesses leaving california are moving to...

 

[glenn1]

Nothing but typical modern American conservative buzzwords and lies. It's like you all read from the same script. Dude, at least try and be original. With every sock repeating the exact same bootstrap stories over and over and over it wears thin very quickly.

In other words, you're being boring and unoriginal. 4/10

If “you didn’t build it yourself” and “it takes a village” then society needs to stop fucking up so much since tens of millions are in deep poverty. You can’t claim partial credit for Bill Gates’ success (presumably because welfare or some shit) while simultaneously denying credit for inner city violence, teenage pregnancy, millions addicted to drugs, etc.

 

[Paratus]

It's not fiction when its true, trade school cost me 10 grand, I saved that up working my ass off, my mother died of cancer and my dad was always a deadbeat, divorced my mom because she wouldn't take her daily beatings from him. I grew up in hell, no white privilege existed for me
just like it doesn't exist for anyone else. I pulled myself out of the mire and made something of myself. I brag about it because no one else seems willing to do it, you all want government handouts, you want to uplifted without doing a damn thing yourselves.

And yet it did. Although it’s cute you think poverty changed the color of your skin.

 

[Paratus]

If “you didn’t build it yourself” and “it takes a village” then society needs to stop fucking up so much since tens of millions are in deep poverty. You can’t claim partial credit for Bill Gates’ success (presumably because welfare or some shit) while simultaneously denying credit for inner city violence, teenage pregnancy, millions addicted to drugs, etc.

If “you did it all by your bootstraps”, I’m fine not paying to protect your property from crime or fire. You already “got yours” so you don’t need any of mine. Right?

 

[glenn1]

If “you did it all by your bootstraps”, I’m fine not paying to protect your property from crime or fire. You already “got yours” so you don’t need any of mine. Right?

Yes because supporting constitutional roles for government like infrastructure, defense, and the post office therefore obligates a person to support any and all amounts of social welfare spending.

 

[Paratus]

Yes because supporting constitutional roles for government like infrastructure, defense, and the post office therefore obligates a person to support any and all amounts of social welfare spending.

Yes because supporting a constitutional role like promoting the general welfare obligates one to support all social welfare spending of any amount. This a rational and correct response and no there is no continuum of support for welfare spending other than all if it.

You sound like a damn freshman who just read Ayn Rand for the first time.

Oh and I eagerly await some links to how Bill Gates did it all himself. I specifically await the links to how he created the physical and electronic infrastructure to distribute his product, the educated workforce that created his product and the well off educated market to buy his product.

 

[MrSquished]

Maybe it's because people that pull themselves up tend to be conservative, ever consider that? While people that demand free shit and handouts tend to be liberal

Please post a study that shows that. My pops was the most liberal person in my life, and he came to this country with virtually nothing, and worked and studied his way up to a PhD and ended as a professor at a State University, and along with his working wife put two kids through a middle class upbringing and college. My mom raised us both and worked then went and got her masters degree also. Very liberal. My fiancee never had much of anything given to her, with a mostly deadbeat dad, sharing a 1 bedroom apartment with her mother and is now working her way through school. She is very liberal. But anyways, I'd love to see a study that shows what you say is statistically proven.

Another thing that would make sense with conservative troll 101 logic is that rich people would never vote for Democrats because they would be voting to raise their own taxes. Check the data from the 2016 election and when you get up to the higher income brackets, the results are close to 50/50 Trump/Clinton with a slight lead to Trump. But nothing that would point to the kindergarten logic of a Republican that all successful people must vote Republican. I've heard that one before.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If “you didn’t build it yourself” and “it takes a village” then society needs to stop fucking up so much since tens of millions are in deep poverty. You can’t claim partial credit for Bill Gates’ success (presumably because welfare or some shit) while simultaneously denying credit for inner city violence, teenage pregnancy, millions addicted to drugs, etc.

Pointless rant gets a 2/10.

 

[Noah Abrams]

When I drive anywhere now I scream at the top of my lungs at the world and demand God bring us a plague to kill off 90% of the vermin.

I don't think CA can be singled out for this. It is the same everywhere big metropolitan areas. There are two govt controlled and run things everyone has come in contact with, since childhood. Schools and transportation / infrastructure. And both are a mess despite a ton of money thrown. Tells you something about govt.

 

[pmv]

Yes because supporting constitutional roles for government like infrastructure, defense, and the post office therefore obligates a person to support any and all amounts of social welfare spending.

Well it kind of does (disregarding the straw man 'any and all'). Once you have a state to do what you want (and surely you should have put 'police and justice system' in there?) so as to provide a society that suits you, you unavoidably take on a moral obligation for everyone else who might not do so well in that society. Otherwise they are quite entitled to withdraw consent from it. Either you have a society, with a government and a state apparatus to keep it functioning, or you don't and you have a war of all against all. If you have the former then everyone in it who supports it has some measure of responsibility for the fate and circumstances of everyone else subject to it.

 

[zinfamous]

The US is terrified of loosing places like Texas and Alaska to very red states, becuase when we go they loose domestic oil production. IF all the red states go you loose sevral domestically grown crops that wont grow in CA, you also loose access to the gulf entirely, you also cut the US in half, the midwest is straight red, so have fun with having to have a Visa to go from new york to LA.

...you do understand that "lose" and "loose" are two very different words, right? I promise you that no one is afraid of "loosing" anything "Texas" if you are the representative example of such, as you claim to be.

 

[sdifox]

...you do understand that "lose" and "loose" are two very different words, right? I promise you that no one is afraid of "loosing" anything "Texas" if you are the representative example of such, as you claim to be.

5 rubles per post only gets you so far.

 

[zinfamous]

It's not fiction when its true, trade school cost me 10 grand, I saved that up working my ass off, my mother died of cancer and my dad was always a deadbeat, divorced my mom because she wouldn't take her daily beatings from him. I grew up in hell, no white privilege existed for me just like it doesn't exist for anyone else. I pulled myself out of the mire and made something of myself. I brag about it because no one else seems willing to do it, you all want government handouts, you want to uplifted without doing a damn thing yourselves.

Yeha, because it's the same story for the very same black person that grew up under the same circumstances. The big difference that everyone else recognizes, obviously, is that you didn't live your life getting pulled over the cops once or twice a week, just because, or the assumption from prospective employers or strangers that coming from where you are, looking like you do, you are probably a criminal.

The absolute fact of "white privilege" is that you are completely unaware of its advantage in your day-to-day life, when compared to the other case. That is how it works.

Also, your sad, generic sob story is the exact same one that spidey PM'd me nearly 10 years ago, trying to explain his "way of seeing things" and defend his total lack of empathy for humans and make a case for his racism. Spidey knew and admitted his racism; the mental illness with that guy is that using the same recycled "growing up poor & white" sob story that you just used, for him convinced him that his complete lack of empathy and racism was "legitimate." People such as this cultivate and forever maintain obtuse world views, because to get out of that wretched life that they are convinced they had, they spend years building up shells around them, crowding out the dangers and the conflicting information streams of their lives. They establish this shell in their teenage years and to maintain that safe space that keeps them proud, conservative, and dumb throughout their lives, they rarely achieve cognitive advancement beyond the mental age of 17 or so. Information that is sought after and welcomed by most of the humans of the world--things that challenge their perceptions and allow them to grow, advance, and progress human achievement--is anathema to the proud, young conservative brain. The type that starts a young age and refuses to grow up.

This is written all over your posts. Also, I think you are spidey.

 

[soulcougher73]

I think I can see both. I just happen to also think that eliminating Prop 13 is of itself not the an answer that properly fixes either issue.

I’d love a prop 13 here. I hate seeing my property tax go up just because my home is gaining value. People end up moving to a cheaper area just cause of taxes. It’s insane. I’d love to not be priced out of a home I bought over taxes.

 

[Indus]

Maybe it's because people that pull themselves up tend to be conservative, ever consider that? While people that demand free shit and handouts tend to be liberal

Bull fucking shit.

I worked 3 jobs to put myself through college. I had student loans up the wazoo and paid them off. Then I saw the fuck up the conservaterrorists did and lost my job working on wall street in 2008. Enough of the trickle down and work hard kool-aid. It's a fucking scam to make the rich even richer at the expense of the not so rich.

You're full of so much shit, your mouth stinks of shit.

 

[Moonbeam]

I’d love a prop 13 here. I hate seeing my property tax go up just because my home is gaining value. People end up moving to a cheaper area just cause of taxes. It’s insane. I’d love to not be priced out of a home I bought over taxes.

Yup, just imagine having to pay to the current retail DMV rated value of your car if you register a multi-million dollar antique Ferrari that sat in your garage for 50 years, or had to pay taxes on anything you bought that's increased in value. Maybe we should increase the budget of the Bureau of Indian Affairs out of increased property values for the land we stole from them. Shouldn't we take care of our oldest inequities first and then go after long time owners. Property taxes do go up under 13, they just start going up from their prop 13 based original value. It just protects people who stretched to their limits to buy in the past from having to compete with people who now have incomes who would drive them out of the market because they have so much more income with which they are willing to stretch. And you can bet that all of those new far better off people are glad their taxes are also locked at only a 2% annual increase or they would soon find themselves fucked too and forced out to even wealthier buyers.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bull fucking shit.

I worked 3 jobs to put myself through college. I had student loans up the wazoo and paid them off. Then I saw the fuck up the conservaterrorists did and lost my job working on wall street in 2008. Enough of the trickle down and work hard kool-aid. It's a fucking scam to make the rich even richer at the expense of the not so rich.

You're full of so much shit, your mouth stinks of shit.

Don't you think that all his bull shit is just a cover for personal insecurity. I mean why would anybody have such an imbecilic inflated notion of Texas cultural value if he didn't feel insecure about it? Come on, he's out there on a psycho level limb. Have some pity.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yeha, because it's the same story for the very same black person that grew up under the same circumstances. The big difference that everyone else recognizes, obviously, is that you didn't live your life getting pulled over the cops once or twice a week, just because, or the assumption from prospective employers or strangers that coming from where you are, looking like you do, you are probably a criminal.

The absolute fact of "white privilege" is that you are completely unaware of its advantage in your day-to-day life, when compared to the other case. That is how it works.

Also, your sad, generic sob story is the exact same one that spidey PM'd me nearly 10 years ago, trying to explain his "way of seeing things" and defend his total lack of empathy for humans and make a case for his racism. Spidey knew and admitted his racism; the mental illness with that guy is that using the same recycled "growing up poor & white" sob story that you just used, for him convinced him that his complete lack of empathy and racism was "legitimate." People such as this cultivate and forever maintain obtuse world views, because to get out of that wretched life that they are convinced they had, they spend years building up shells around them, crowding out the dangers and the conflicting information streams of their lives. They establish this shell in their teenage years and to maintain that safe space that keeps them proud, conservative, and dumb throughout their lives, they rarely achieve cognitive advancement beyond the mental age of 17 or so. Information that is sought after and welcomed by most of the humans of the world--things that challenge their perceptions and allow them to grow, advance, and progress human achievement--is anathema to the proud, young conservative brain. The type that starts a young age and refuses to grow up.

This is written all over your posts. Also, I think you are spidey.

I'm proof that you can grow up in the same circumstances as that and not be such a despicable willfully ignorant person. For a long time, I might would have bought that the "white privilege" thing is overblown, having grown up poor and white. I literally would not have been able to go to college were it not for federal grants. And that was for an in state college. Hell if it weren't for free school lunch program, I would have gone hungry a fair amount. In junior high I needed to get glasses, and couldn't afford them, but there was a program that got me some for free (I didn't exactly get to pick stylish frames or anything). My Mom was so ashamed she walked out of the optometrist's office crying.

We weren't liberal or conservative. We largely just had disdain for politics and thought they were all the same. I still don't consider myself to fall under any label as I like to look at topics on their own merits. But I damn sure am not conservative, and it would require Abraham Lincoln returning from the dead and beating the shit out of the modern Republicans and casting them from the party to ever get me to consider voting for that party. If I'm liberal, its just because that is the ideology showing the most amount of sanity in this country. I wasn't anti-conservative/Republican for a long time, but now, they've made their toxicity and hate impossible to ignore. They've made me see things for how they are, how terrible they've been for some time, that while they are far from perfect, the liberals and Democrats were not equally bad.

I've been trying to explain to these people that they need to see things for how it really is. Its not a lie that they experience a lot of the hardships that blacks (and other minorities) do. But what they aren't getting is that, that was how blacks were always treated here, and its actually in a lot of cases been an improvement to how they were being treated here. So think of that baseline, and realize, they've had it worse. And that, a lot of companies and people are getting around being called racist (legally so in some instances, by that I mean, they were ruled to have been discriminating by a court), by applying that type of stuff to everyone, notably poorer and uneducated people. Its a win-win for them, they get to claim to not be racist, and they get a larger group of people to exploit. I also try to explain to them that, yes just because you now might be experiencing some of the things they did, keep in mind that they have to deal with a ton of other stuff on top of it, so imagine your life, and then add a bunch of stuff on top of how hard you've had it. Same with men compared to women. Admitting that these other groups have had it worse in no way diminishes your hardships, in fact, I think it actually helps recognize them, especially if you use it to unite with others to try and overcome them.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm proof that you can grow up in the same circumstances as that and not be such a despicable willfully ignorant person. For a long time, I might would have bought that the "white privilege" thing is overblown, having grown up poor and white. I literally would not have been able to go to college were it not for federal grants. And that was for an in state college. Hell if it weren't for free school lunch program, I would have gone hungry a fair amount. In junior high I needed to get glasses, and couldn't afford them, but there was a program that got me some for free (I didn't exactly get to pick stylish frames or anything). My Mom was so ashamed she walked out of the optometrist's office crying.

We weren't liberal or conservative. We largely just had disdain for politics and thought they were all the same. I still don't consider myself to fall under any label as I like to look at topics on their own merits. But I damn sure am not conservative, and it would require Abraham Lincoln returning from the dead and beating the shit out of the modern Republicans and casting them from the party to ever get me to consider voting for that party. If I'm liberal, its just because that is the ideology showing the most amount of sanity in this country. I wasn't anti-conservative/Republican for a long time, but now, they've made their toxicity and hate impossible to ignore. They've made me see things for how they are, how terrible they've been for some time, that while they are far from perfect, the liberals and Democrats were not equally bad.

I've been trying to explain to these people that they need to see things for how it really is. Its not a lie that they experience a lot of the hardships that blacks (and other minorities) do. But what they aren't getting is that, that was how blacks were always treated here, and its actually in a lot of cases been an improvement to how they were being treated here. So think of that baseline, and realize, they've had it worse. And that, a lot of companies and people are getting around being called racist (legally so in some instances, by that I mean, they were ruled to have been discriminating by a court), by applying that type of stuff to everyone, notably poorer and uneducated people. Its a win-win for them, they get to claim to not be racist, and they get a larger group of people to exploit. I also try to explain to them that, yes just because you now might be experiencing some of the things they did, keep in mind that they have to deal with a ton of other stuff on top of it, so imagine your life, and then add a bunch of stuff on top of how hard you've had it. Same with men compared to women. Admitting that these other groups have had it worse in no way diminishes your hardships, in fact, I think it actually helps recognize them, especially if you use it to unite with others to try and overcome them.

Nice.....This is why I think it is so vital for Democrats to run on the right message in this case the 'we're all getting fucked' message instead of focusing only on racial identity. We are in a class war not a race war and the rich have already won. Only progressive democrats are willing to take up this war and without winning it democracy will stay dead.