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California Graduation Test

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In order to pass it seems like potential graduates only have to answer 50% of the questions correctly.

So an "F" graduates. And yet, 20% still can't do it.

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Of course the usual class/race baiting crowd is protesting. Good grief.
 
Doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things highschool diplomas don't mean much anyways. Besides, even if these people should fail the test and move on to college somehow...doesn't mean they won't stay here. College's biggest problem these days is retention of students...

D'Janay, 17, said she passed the English section on the first try but has failed the math part three times. She is taking an extra remedial math class this semester to help her pass the test, in addition to her Algebra II class and two Advanced Placement courses. She said she has a 2.0 grade point average.

"I am totally freaking out that I may not graduate," said D'Janay, who attended a rally against the exit exam this week in a park next to her high school.

"No matter what happens, I'm going to college because I need college to further my education," she said.
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If she can't pass a test based on 8th grade math...maybe she should consider what college is going to accept her, unless she is takling about Community College. Based on that, I would absolutely deny her a HIGHSCHOOL diploma since it would be expected you know things through 12th grade, not 8th grade math and 10th grade reading...but ultimately like I stated earlier it doesn't matter since a diploma holds such little value anyways.


I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go 😉 Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"

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Might I point out...I have NO idea how the heck she is doing algebra 2 when she can't pass a prealgebra test...then again perhaps her 2.0 GPA says it all...
 
i was among the 1st class to take this exit exam test, and i found it easy as hell. i honestly think you'd have to try to fail this exam to actually fail it. this exam is seriously basic math and basic english, all of which you learned in middle school. no joke.
 
Originally posted by: magomago
Doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things highschool diplomas don't mean much anyways. Besides, even if these people should fail the test and move on to college somehow...doesn't mean they won't stay here. College's biggest problem these days is retention of students...

D'Janay, 17, said she passed the English section on the first try but has failed the math part three times. She is taking an extra remedial math class this semester to help her pass the test, in addition to her Algebra II class and two Advanced Placement courses. She said she has a 2.0 grade point average.

"I am totally freaking out that I may not graduate," said D'Janay, who attended a rally against the exit exam this week in a park next to her high school.

"No matter what happens, I'm going to college because I need college to further my education," she said.
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If she can't pass a test based on 8th grade math...maybe she should consider what college is going to accept her, unless she is takling about Community College. Based on that, I would absolutely deny her a HIGHSCHOOL diploma since it would be expected you know things through 12th grade, not 8th grade math and 10th grade reading...but ultimately like I stated earlier it doesn't matter since a diploma holds such little value anyways.


I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go 😉 Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"

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Might I point out...I have NO idea how the heck she is doing algebra 2 when she can't pass a prealgebra test...then again perhaps her 2.0 GPA says it all...
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I will bet that the uneducated citizenry make up a large proportion of the criminals in jails and prisons across America.. They will still blame someone else when they are poor and cannot fend for themselves.. if you told them they no longer had to go to school
 
The same sort of thing happened here in Georgia. I can't tell you why (really, I don't know how people stay so stupid), but I can give a clue.

The SATs had just been given the day before. As I was trying to wake up, people were talking about it. One girl piped up, "I never seen no math with numbers before!"

These people exist. However much standardized testing may be the scourge of modern education, it does set a hard ceiling for these people when it is pass or fail.
 
I remember going to a discount store once and buying a cheap plastic item. It was marked 4/$1. The check out girl had to consult a chart to see what one of them cost.
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I remember going to a discount store once and buying a cheap plastic item. It was marked 4/$1. The check out girl had to consult a chart to see what one of them cost.
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Maybe there was a discount for buying 4....
Lots of places do that kind of thing I find, if you buy more than one you get a discount.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: magomago
Doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things highschool diplomas don't mean much anyways. Besides, even if these people should fail the test and move on to college somehow...doesn't mean they won't stay here. College's biggest problem these days is retention of students...

D'Janay, 17, said she passed the English section on the first try but has failed the math part three times. She is taking an extra remedial math class this semester to help her pass the test, in addition to her Algebra II class and two Advanced Placement courses. She said she has a 2.0 grade point average.

"I am totally freaking out that I may not graduate," said D'Janay, who attended a rally against the exit exam this week in a park next to her high school.

"No matter what happens, I'm going to college because I need college to further my education," she said.
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If she can't pass a test based on 8th grade math...maybe she should consider what college is going to accept her, unless she is takling about Community College. Based on that, I would absolutely deny her a HIGHSCHOOL diploma since it would be expected you know things through 12th grade, not 8th grade math and 10th grade reading...but ultimately like I stated earlier it doesn't matter since a diploma holds such little value anyways.


I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go 😉 Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"

edit:

Might I point out...I have NO idea how the heck she is doing algebra 2 when she can't pass a prealgebra test...then again perhaps her 2.0 GPA says it all...
Click to expand...


I will bet that the uneducated citizenry make up a large proportion of the criminals in jails and prisons across America.. They will still blame someone else when they are poor and cannot fend for themselves.. if you told them they no longer had to go to school
Click to expand...

Perhaps they are simply too lazy to even put out the effort to master basic primary schololing and this basic laziness leads them through life Maybe they are so lazy that they can find only one way to survive and that is to forage through criminal activity? They are probably so lazy that they have to resort to drug use for self satisfaction and entertainment and that also funnels them into criminal activity. Perhaps productive people are too busy working to do crime or to show up as protestors at great liberal events? Y'think?

 
I am not a big fan of making everyone take a test at the end of high school to earn a diploma. Did they make the teachers take the test to get a job?
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
I am not a big fan of making everyone take a test at the end of high school to earn a diploma. Did they make the teachers take the test to get a job?
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I'm sure most teachers took a test or two when they earned their BA degree in education, no?
 
I think you should have to take ACT and get a 25 or 1150 PSAT to graduate. I don't know what will fix our education problems. Heard lots of good ideas like vouchers but I don'[t really think teachers fault.. It seems to be a cultural shift in this country among a large swath of population. I mean just look how popular someone like 50 cents is..someone who glamorizes anti-social and criminal behavior. When I went to school "class clown" was a perjoritve term, now it's a term of endearment.
 
Probably time for the state to raise children in year around camp according to and adjusted by educational universities and their research. Time for a science of creating a successful civilization on results based testing and liberal philosophical thought.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Probably time for the state to raise children in year around camp according to and adjusted by educational universities and their research. Time for a science of creating a successful civilization on results based testing and liberal philosophical thought.
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No, no - I think just getting the little tools to pass a basic compentency test would be fine enough for now.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Probably time for the state to raise children in year around camp according to and adjusted by educational universities and their research. Time for a science of creating a successful civilization on results based testing and liberal philosophical thought.
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No, no - I think just getting the little tools to pass a basic compentency test would be fine enough for now.
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The asteroid is due in 2028 with a certain impact in 2036 if it misses the first time but passes through a certain window. Time to get civilization off planet my friend and time for some sort of revolution in progress, no. Conservatism isn't just dead, it's an assurance of an early death for humanity.
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: magomago
Doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things highschool diplomas don't mean much anyways. Besides, even if these people should fail the test and move on to college somehow...doesn't mean they won't stay here. College's biggest problem these days is retention of students...

D'Janay, 17, said she passed the English section on the first try but has failed the math part three times. She is taking an extra remedial math class this semester to help her pass the test, in addition to her Algebra II class and two Advanced Placement courses. She said she has a 2.0 grade point average.

"I am totally freaking out that I may not graduate," said D'Janay, who attended a rally against the exit exam this week in a park next to her high school.

"No matter what happens, I'm going to college because I need college to further my education," she said.
Click to expand...

If she can't pass a test based on 8th grade math...maybe she should consider what college is going to accept her, unless she is takling about Community College. Based on that, I would absolutely deny her a HIGHSCHOOL diploma since it would be expected you know things through 12th grade, not 8th grade math and 10th grade reading...but ultimately like I stated earlier it doesn't matter since a diploma holds such little value anyways.


I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go 😉 Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"

edit:

Might I point out...I have NO idea how the heck she is doing algebra 2 when she can't pass a prealgebra test...then again perhaps her 2.0 GPA says it all...
Click to expand...


I will bet that the uneducated citizenry make up a large proportion of the criminals in jails and prisons across America.. They will still blame someone else when they are poor and cannot fend for themselves.. if you told them they no longer had to go to school
Click to expand...

Perhaps they are simply too lazy to even put out the effort to master basic primary schololing and this basic laziness leads them through life Maybe they are so lazy that they can find only one way to survive and that is to forage through criminal activity? They are probably so lazy that they have to resort to drug use for self satisfaction and entertainment and that also funnels them into criminal activity. Perhaps productive people are too busy working to do crime or to show up as protestors at great liberal events? Y'think?
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This is disgusting. I come from CA. Schools in our area are nowhere near bad considering at least 5 schools here are nationally ranked on the Newsweek list each year. I don't see how this is possible. The only people who failed at our school just drew crap in the english essay portion cuz they thought it was retarded.

I think these kids need to be slapped into shape because if this test is so hard, I don't think you should've gone into high school to begin with. Moreover, I don't see how any of these kids could get into even 1 of the schools in the UC system.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: piasabird
I am not a big fan of making everyone take a test at the end of high school to earn a diploma. Did they make the teachers take the test to get a job?
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I'm sure most teachers took a test or two when they earned their BA degree in education, no?
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Even in IT, you have to recertify every year or so.

 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic
The students that don't pass can always attend this University.
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What's wrong with UCR?
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I had a fellow that worked for me that got his PHD from New York City University or some such and had been a full prof there. He said it was a mail order school too. They can always get the paper. Using it effectively is the ticket.

 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: magomago
Doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things highschool diplomas don't mean much anyways. Besides, even if these people should fail the test and move on to college somehow...doesn't mean they won't stay here. College's biggest problem these days is retention of students...

D'Janay, 17, said she passed the English section on the first try but has failed the math part three times. She is taking an extra remedial math class this semester to help her pass the test, in addition to her Algebra II class and two Advanced Placement courses. She said she has a 2.0 grade point average.

"I am totally freaking out that I may not graduate," said D'Janay, who attended a rally against the exit exam this week in a park next to her high school.

"No matter what happens, I'm going to college because I need college to further my education," she said.
Click to expand...

If she can't pass a test based on 8th grade math...maybe she should consider what college is going to accept her, unless she is takling about Community College. Based on that, I would absolutely deny her a HIGHSCHOOL diploma since it would be expected you know things through 12th grade, not 8th grade math and 10th grade reading...but ultimately like I stated earlier it doesn't matter since a diploma holds such little value anyways.


I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go 😉 Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"

edit:

Might I point out...I have NO idea how the heck she is doing algebra 2 when she can't pass a prealgebra test...then again perhaps her 2.0 GPA says it all...
Click to expand...


I will bet that the uneducated citizenry make up a large proportion of the criminals in jails and prisons across America.. They will still blame someone else when they are poor and cannot fend for themselves.. if you told them they no longer had to go to school
Click to expand...

Perhaps they are simply too lazy to even put out the effort to master basic primary schololing and this basic laziness leads them through life Maybe they are so lazy that they can find only one way to survive and that is to forage through criminal activity? They are probably so lazy that they have to resort to drug use for self satisfaction and entertainment and that also funnels them into criminal activity. Perhaps productive people are too busy working to do crime or to show up as protestors at great liberal events? Y'think?
Click to expand...


This is disgusting. I come from CA. Schools in our area are nowhere near bad considering at least 5 schools here are nationally ranked on the Newsweek list each year. I don't see how this is possible. The only people who failed at our school just drew crap in the english essay portion cuz they thought it was retarded.

I think these kids need to be slapped into shape because if this test is so hard, I don't think you should've gone into high school to begin with. Moreover, I don't see how any of these kids could get into even 1 of the schools in the UC system.
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I read somewhere that less than 40% of student who plan to go to college actually earn a two or four year degree within 10 years of graduating from high school. Meaning for 60% of the population, high school diploma maybe the last diploma they will ever earn. Well, now that we are putting more barrier for those people to get a high school diploma now?

My problem with the system is, why does only English and Math matter in the graduation test? I bet if the school board ask people to draw a picture, play some music or run 100m under certain time, the same people who think those English and Math test are easy may have problem passing those kinds of test. The same people who have problem with English or Math may have no problem with one or all of those type of test.

We have to face it, not everyone is going to be good in English and Math, and yes it is essential to be good in that to succeed in college and many jobs. However, not all people are college material or should be locked into jobs that needs English and Math skills.

The problem with the system now, is that we make English and Math mandatory for graduating high school, and it's like if you don't graduate from high school, you are a big time failure. Your parents think you are a failure, your friend think you are a failure and the society think you are a failure.

The truth is, I have worked in the business long enough to see 50% of the jobs do not require some kind of education. Those jobs make people follow instructions without any kind of thinking. I would take people who work hard, are loyal and honest in those type of jobs over anyone with high school/college diploma.

So why are we putting more of the same crap to judge the success and failure of people, instead of broadening the criteria to judge if a person is ready to be a productive member in the society? My guess is that people who make all the decision are bunch of bookworm who think education, books, English and Math is everything in the world, because that's what they are good at and that's what they know.
 
I graduated long before they had this test. Although, I think this test is a right step forward, it isn't realistic to think everyone will pass it. And as other posters have mentioned, high school diplomas are less valuable than they were a few decades ago. Many people are not necessarily at the top of their class in high school, but excel in college. Why? Because you are paying for it and therefore have an incentive to do well. If you don't do well, they kick you out. I think such a policy should be enstated in high school. I knew people in high school who were failing every class. They shouldn't be there if they don't care to be there.

I really think education should not be mandatory. Because it is required in our society, people take it for granted and don't realize its worth. Make it completely voluntary, and the only people who will go are those who want to learn, or those whom their parents will force them to go Within a generation the lack of an education will be painful, and people themselves will rush to take advantage of "free education"
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I disagree. Education, even at a low level, provides positive externalities for society as a whole. Even if people don't do good, it's better that they gain some skills. Although this may seem to contradict what I said earlier, what I said earlier was in reference to the people flunking all classes.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic
The students that don't pass can always attend this University.
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What's wrong with UCR?
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Who knows? Apparently, it's a sh1tty school to some people on this board. Funny how it's part of the UC system though.
 
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