California giving drivers license's to illegals

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cabri

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CA is where most of the U.S. Navy and all of the USMC is located. If you stopped selling us power we would just make you start again. FAIL

CA is so much better than every other state. The only other state that has anything to offer economically and culturally is NY. Chicago is a joke and what is the capital of Texas again? Houston? FAILThat's where I fly in Texas. The airport.

Edit: Hawaii is cool for vacations but otherwise is overrun by racist Polynesian meth-heads.

What Naval bases exist in CA?
What Marine bases exist in CA?

Should we waste the effort in pointing out where other facilities are located and those that may be bigger?

You need to go back to school and learn your geography; I have a 5th grade granddaughter that can name the capitals of all 50 states; or are you only in 4th grade?
 

cabri

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Most insurance policies don`t have uninsured coverage.....also the resal matter is you did not address the question I posed.....

It is far better to have an illegal alien who has passed the tests and is insured to drive a car, rather than one who is not.....

You keep dodging that singular issue.....it`s a win, win as far as coverage....

You must really be butt hurt, for how long now...ever since Obama took office???
I cannot fathom how you honestly believe this is about votes?

A drivers license cannot be used as proof of citizenship...or are you just really butt hurt??

Of course I am using insults you cannot reason with an idiot!!

While a DL is not proof of citizenship; it most places it is accepted as indication of legal right to be in the US and able to understand/obey the laws.

I will agree, that having them "insured" is beneficial - however, the license should be tagged as not valid for legal identification.
 

TreVader

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What Naval bases exist in CA?

What Marine bases exist in CA?



Should we waste the effort in pointing out where other facilities are located and those that may be bigger?



You need to go back to school and learn your geography; I have a 5th grade granddaughter that can name the capitals of all 50 states; or are you only in 4th grade?


Are you mentally retarded? Houston is the airport I fly to when I go from NYC to LA or back. My point, which went straight over your head, was that the airport was the only place worth going in Texas, and that NOBODY needs or should know what the capital is! Which is fucking true!

But nice job putting what a total retard you are on full display. I have no doubt that your granddaughters 4th grade geography knowledge is quite impressive to you, being an imbecile.
 

shortylickens

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Most of the US Navy is in Norfolk.

In fact Norfolk NOC is the largest base in the entire world.

Marines I dont know. Theres also many large bases in Virginia, not the least of which is Quantico.
 

fskimospy

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What Naval bases exist in CA?

What Marine bases exist in CA?

Should we waste the effort in pointing out where other facilities are located and those that may be bigger?

You need to go back to school and learn your geography; I have a 5th grade granddaughter that can name the capitals of all 50 states; or are you only in 4th grade?

You could point out what other facilities are bigger, but you're probably going to regret it. California has nearly as many navy servicemen in it as Virginia does and far more Marines stationed there than any other state. (only North Carolina even comes close)

California has significantly more military stationed in it than any other state.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/m...duty-employee-workforce-numbers-by-state.html
 

fskimospy

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Most of the US Navy is in Norfolk.

In fact Norfolk NOC is the largest base in the entire world.

Marines I dont know. Theres also many large bases in Virginia, not the least of which is Quantico.

There are about 9,000 more Navy personnel in Virginia than in California. I think you may be underestimating just how huge the naval presence is in San Diego, it's just that it is split up between several bases.

(in Norfolk the carriers dock in the same base as everyone else, in San Diego they dock on Coronado, for example, but that's just across the bay from the 32nd st. station)
 

cabri

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Are you mentally retarded? Houston is the airport I fly to when I go from NYC to LA or back. My point, which went straight over your head, was that the airport was the only place worth going in Texas, and that NOBODY needs or should know what the capital is! Which is fucking true!

But nice job putting what a total retard you are on full display. I have no doubt that your granddaughters 4th grade geography knowledge is quite impressive to you, being an imbecile.

Apparently, you do not know where the capital of Texas is nor what other cities in Texas that have airports.

Houston is not the largest airport (size or volume) in that state.
 

Zaap

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Wow. This has devolved into weirdly vicarious "my state can beat up your state" bullshit. :/
 

TreVader

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Apparently, you do not know where the capital of Texas is nor what other cities in Texas that have airports.

Houston is not the largest airport (size or volume) in that state.

TBH cabri I am not sure how memorizing the capitals of the 50 states is pertinent to the modern political landscape. Maybe it would help you understand news stories at first glance, but otherwise what is the purpose of such minutia? It's 4th grade knowledge, which I knew well in 4th grade, and have since forgot.



I think the capital of NY is syracuse but I don't remember clearly.


And besides that, how does me not knowing Texas' capital make my argument that Texas is culturally irrelevant any different? In my mind, if anything, it strengthens my argument!
 

cabri

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TBH cabri I am not sure how memorizing the capitals of the 50 states is pertinent to the modern political landscape. Maybe it would help you understand news stories at first glance, but otherwise what is the purpose of such minutia? It's 4th grade knowledge, which I knew well in 4th grade, and have since forgot.



I think the capital of NY is syracuse but I don't remember clearly.


And besides that, how does me not knowing Texas' capital make my argument that Texas is culturally irrelevant any different? In my mind, if anything, it strengthens my argument!

I believe YOU were the one that mentioned capital of Texas.

I merely pointed out the quality (or lack of) of your post (which you seem to be consistent in such)

It may also reflect on the quality of YOUR educational training to make statements on a whim without the ability to know the accuracy of such. :colbert:
 

Matt1970

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Most insurance policies don`t have uninsured coverage.....also the resal matter is you did not address the question I posed.....

It is far better to have an illegal alien who has passed the tests and is insured to drive a car, rather than one who is not.....

You keep dodging that singular issue.....it`s a win, win as far as coverage....

You must really be butt hurt, for how long now...ever since Obama took office???
I cannot fathom how uyou honestly believe this is about votes?

A drivers license cannot be used as proof of citizenship...or are you just really butt hurt??

Of course I am using insults you cannot reason with an idiot!!

Uninsured motorist clause:
Although not exclusive, this coverage is typically added to an automobile insurance policy. It is mandatory for the insurance carrier to provide such coverage in some states, such as Pennsylvania, Illinois, Maryland, and New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninsured_motorist_clause

Sure sounds like most people do have it, or are you going to make up your own definition od typically and mandatory?
 

JEDIYoda

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Uninsured motorist clause:
Although not exclusive, this coverage is typically added to an automobile insurance policy. It is mandatory for the insurance carrier to provide such coverage in some states, such as Pennsylvania, Illinois, Maryland, and New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninsured_motorist_clause

Sure sounds like most people do have it, or are you going to make up your own definition od typically and mandatory?
So your are delusional and lacking comprehension....most of the people do not live in Pennsylvania, Illinois , Maryland and New York!!

Most people do not carry full coverage on their vehicles which most likely covers uninsured motorists!
Most people carry just the bare minimum which is liability insurance for their vehicles which does NOT cover uninsured motorists!!

http://www.insurance.com/auto-insur...-uninsuredunderinsured-motorist-coverage.aspx

If you're in an accident and the other driver is uninsured or underinsured, will you be covered?

If you have uninsured/underinsured motorist protection (UM/UIM), the answer is probably "yes." Many auto insurance experts recommend choosing this option. You might think that because your state requires auto insurance, most people have it. However, according to the Insurance Research Council, the number of uninsured drivers can reach 25 percent in some states. The 10 states with the highest percentages of uninsured drivers in 2012 -- the most recent year for which data are available -- were:
Oklahoma: 25.9%
Florida: 23.8%
Mississippi: 22.9%
New Mexico: 21.6%
Michigan: 21.0%
Tennessee: 20.1%
Alabama: 19.6%
Rhode Island: 17.0%
Colorado: 16.2%
Washington: 16.1%

Especially during times when people are struggling economically, many drivers either don't have insurance or don't have enough. If you have UM/UIM, you can get money for injuries even if the other driver can't pay. If you have uninsured motorist property damage (UMPD), damage to your car from an uninsured driver can be covered without having to resort to filing a claim against your own collision coverage.

You can see how much liability coverage different drivers in your state carry with our "What Drivers Like You Buy" tool.

What is UM or UIM?

Uninsured or underinsured motorist coverage can pay for injuries to you and your passengers, and in some locations damage to your property, when there is an accident and the other driver is both legally responsible for the accident and considered "uninsured" or "underinsured."

An uninsured driver is someone who did not have any insurance, had insurance that did not meet state-mandated minimum liability requirements, or whose insurance company denied their claim or was not financially able to pay it. A hit-and-run driver also counts as uninsured as it relates to bodily injury (UMBI).

An underinsured driver is someone who met minimum legal financial responsibility requirements, but did not have payment limits high enough to cover the damage they caused. In these cases, UM or UIM can pay you for your damages. It is important to note that uninsured and underinsured motorist protections are separate, although in many states they can or must be purchased together.

Is UM/UIM required?

A handful of states mandate purchase of UM/UIM, but most do not.

These states require that you buy both uninsured motorist and underinsured motorist protection: Connecticut, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Virginia. If you buy more than minimum required liability limits, Rhode Island and North Carolina require that you buy UI and UIM, too.

These states require that you buy only uninsured motorist: District of Columbia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Missouri, New York, North Carolina (if you buy only required minimum liability), South Carolina, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

Uninsured motorist property damage coverage is required in: District of Columbia, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia and West Virginia. Utah requires UMPD if you do not buy collision coverage.

Other states may require only that you be offered these coverages, but you do not have to accept them.


If you purchase uninsured/underinsured motorist protection, your UM/UIM payment limits usually must comply with the state minimum but can't exceed your liability limits. If your state and company allow uninsured motorist property damage (UMPD) coverage, it can't be purchased without UMBI. Also, note that if you're in an accident and try to settle payment with the other driver by yourself, you won't be able to file a claim for UM/UIM protection. It's always best, regardless of what's in your policy, to contact your insurance company for advice on how to handle an accident.

Why would you want it?

Insurance Information Institute Vice President Carolyn Gorman extols the virtues of UM/UIM. "You absolutely need this coverage, because, if you get into an accident with someone who is driving without insurance or doesn't have enough of it, you want to be made financially whole again. You have to protect yourself fiscally and physically, and uninsured/underinsured motorist protection can help you in that regard."

It's usually relatively cheap to add uninsured/underinsured motorist protection to your car insurance policy, especially considering the amount of protection it offers. When you compare car insurance quotes, you should be sure to take uninsured/underinsured coverage into account. It could pay your medical bills, lost wages, and pain and suffering.

Underinsured motorist protection

Underinsured motorist protection pays you for damages that exceed the payment limits carried by a driver who is considered underinsured. UIM will only pay up to the limits of your policy after subtracting the amount paid by the other driver's insurance. This means that the amount listed as your UIM limit is the total amount paid by both insurance companies, not the additional amount your company will pay after the other driver's company pays. Both UM and UIM apply to you and any passengers in your car, and to you and others listed on your insurance policy (including family members) when in other cars.

Uninsured motorist property damage

Uninsured motorist property damage (UMPD) coverage may seem strange, especially considering many people already have collision coverage on their car insurance. However, for careful drivers who don't have collision coverage, UMPD can be a good way to protect their car from uninsured drivers without raising their premium a lot. In addition, a lower deductible for UMPD is frequently cheaper than collision coverage with the same low deductible. UMPD does not apply in hit-and-run accidents, because UMPD coverage is cheaper than collision coverage-making it very tempting for some drivers to make a "hit-and-run" claim under their UM coverage instead of their collision coverage, or to purchase UM coverage and not have collision coverage at all.

Uninsured motorist bodily injury

Uninsured motorist bodily injury (UMBI) protection can help you in another way. "Let's say you're a pedestrian. If you carry this coverage and you get hit by a car while you're trying to cross the street, the coverage could pay your medical expenses and lost wages," says Gorman. That could be important, because even if you have medical payments coverage and health insurance, those still won't pay for lost wages. You could get coverage for your lost wages by purchasing disability insurance, which many people have through their employer, but it would not cover your passengers or family members, and could disappear if you switch jobs. In addition to protecting you as a pedestrian, UM/UIM can also protect you and your family members traveling in other cars. As Nicole Mahrt of the American Insurance Association says, "You probably can't afford to drive without it."
 

Matt1970

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This is from your own link:

These states require that you buy both uninsured motorist and underinsured motorist protection: Connecticut, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Virginia. If you buy more than minimum required liability limits, Rhode Island and North Carolina require that you buy UI and UIM, too.

That's 13 states that require UI and UIM.

These states require that you buy only uninsured motorist: District of Columbia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Missouri, New York, North Carolina (if you buy only required minimum liability), South Carolina, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

Add 8 more and the D.O.C. to that who require bare minimum uninsured motorist. That's damn hear half the states. Now factor in people who buy it anyways and people who have full coverage, and you will find Wikipedia's claim that "this coverage is typically added to an automobile insurance policy" to be accurate. But go on, tell me more about how I am delusional and lacking comprehension, or did you not even read your own article?
 

boomerang

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If it's already been covered - tough. I'm not wading through pages of TreVader's fourth grade level insanity to find out.

California Taxpayers to SUBSIDIZE Auto Insurance for Illegal Aliens
State officials hope a new law that offers California driver’s licenses to immigrants in the country illegally will also encourage them to buy insurance.

To encourage the practice, the California Department of Insurance is aggressively marketing its Low Cost Auto Insurance program to the large pool of immigrants projected to seek licenses under the AB 60 law taking effect Jan. 1.

“It would be a tragedy if after all this effort, the 1.4 million people who are getting driver’s licenses for the first time don’t have auto insurance,” said Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones.

Jones and others recognized that the cost of getting licensed — $33 — is a lot cheaper than buying insurance for hundreds of dollars a year. So, Jones, working with Senator Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, got the state Legislature to open up the low-cost insurance program to the new category of immigrant drivers.

“The price will be less than $450 a year, which is less than $38 a month,” Jones said. He said that’s about a third of what it costs to get private auto insurance in many markets across California.
So glad I don't live in CA.
 
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Matt1970

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Other than the spurious arguments our righty friends have offered up, what exactly is the argument against this?

Do illegal immigrants now get to take advantage of government programs?

Nooooo

Next we will be giving them subsidized insurance since they can’t afford it.

Nooooo

Jones and others recognized that the cost of getting licensed — $33 — is a lot cheaper than buying insurance for hundreds of dollars a year. So, Jones, working with Senator Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, got the state Legislature to open up the low-cost insurance program to the new category of immigrant drivers.

“The price will be less than $450 a year, which is less than $38 a month,” Jones said. He said that’s about a third of what it costs to get private auto insurance in many markets across California.

Oops.
 

who?

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Why is the fact that the capital of NY is Albany relevant to a discussion of issuing driver licenses to illegal immigrants?
 

PlanetJosh

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Maybe this got mentioned already, sorry if it did but the lawyers may be happy. More drivers out on the road, more injury cases to win settlements. Some won by their legal alien clients and some won by their U.S. citizen clients, but just more cases.
 

ivwshane

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If it's already been covered - tough. I'm not wading through pages of TreVader's fourth grade level insanity to find out.

California Taxpayers to SUBSIDIZE Auto Insurance for Illegal Aliens
So glad I don't live in CA.

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Oops.


This is why you and boomerang are looked at like dumb asses. Did either of you bother researching the claim made in that article? Did it strike you as odd that they would reference the drivers license bill sb 60 but not the bill their whole article is based on? I wonder why that is. Of course you two didn't question it, the article provided all the info you wanted to hear!

For the more educated and less brainwashed among us, here is the bill dumb and dumber are referring to:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml;jsessionid=7b51c16335dafa5764ae39426b4b

You will note that this is an update to an existing program that's been around since 1947. It's also not a subsidy by any normal standard.

https://www.aipso.com/PlanSites/CaliforniaARP.aspx

A layman's recap of the new law:

https://www.aipso.com/Portals/0/AIPSOOpenAccess/2SB1273Rev_Announce_010715.pdf
 

Matt1970

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This is why you and boomerang are looked at like dumb asses. Did either of you bother researching the claim made in that article? Did it strike you as odd that they would reference the drivers license bill sb 60 but not the bill their whole article is based on? I wonder why that is. Of course you two didn't question it, the article provided all the info you wanted to hear!

For the more educated and less brainwashed among us, here is the bill dumb and dumber are referring to:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml;jsessionid=7b51c16335dafa5764ae39426b4b

You will note that this is an update to an existing program that's been around since 1947. It's also not a subsidy by any normal standard.

https://www.aipso.com/PlanSites/CaliforniaARP.aspx

A layman's recap of the new law:

https://www.aipso.com/Portals/0/AIPSOOpenAccess/2SB1273Rev_Announce_010715.pdf

Who gives a flying fuck if it's a new bill or an extension of an existing bill. It's government aid to illegals which is the very thing you were suggesting wouldn't happen.
 

ivwshane

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Who gives a flying fuck if it's a new bill or an extension of an existing bill. It's government aid to illegals which is the very thing you were suggesting wouldn't happen.

No it's not and I even linked for you the dumbed down version so you'd understand it. I guess you need pictures instead of words.
 

Matt1970

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No it's not and I even linked for you the dumbed down version so you'd understand it. I guess you need pictures instead of words.

Maybe you can try with an actual link to the bill. The link you posted does not work.
 

ivwshane

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Maybe you can try with an actual link to the bill. The link you posted does not work.

The first link was to the actual bill. You can search for it yourself using "sb 1273".


Here is some more info on the plan when an update to the law was signed in 2011.

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/new...rchase-california’s-low-cost-auto-insur


Since the inception of this one-of-a-kind program, more than 60,000 Californians have purchased a Low-Cost Auto Insurance Program policy. The vast majority of those customers had been uninsured at the time they purchased the policy. The program is structured to be entirely self-sustaining; it is not subsidized by government funds, nor is it subsidized by other drivers who purchase traditional auto insurance. Consumer advocates note that there have been more than 3,000 auto accidents and more than $8 million in claims paid that were covered by Low-Cost Program policies and would likely have been uninsured accidents if it weren't for the program.
 
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