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Muse

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Get used to more and worse fires due to Climate Change. CA has always had fires, but now it's going to take that much more effort in prevention management to keep them from getting out of control. It can be done--just going to cost more when the climate is more favorable to fires. Just one of many changes we are all going to need to adjust to (I'm in hurricane central FLA, we have our own fire and drought problem at times, not to mention coastal issues.)
The big problem in CA as I understand it (and I live here) is that it's an arid region and it does not rain for long periods of time. In the hottest months it does not rain, unlike most of the country. So, the vegetation that grows during and immediately after the rainy season dries out during the hot summer months, resulting in dangerous fire conditions. Add to that a heat wave coupled with occasional windy and sometimes super dry air and out of control, super disastrous wildfires spring up. Many causes. Weekend of August 15-16, a deteriorating hurricane that wafted up from Mexico caused dry lightning storms resulting in 10's of thousands of lightening strikes and many of the resulting fires are still burning. "Tinderbox conditions" are the rule now and not just during the summer months like it used to be but year-round, really in the last few years and it's likely to just get worse and worse. Someone should hit Trump on the head with his "rake."
 

Vic

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Meanwhile, Portland is finally burning for real (and not just in the delusions of propaganda). A combination of hot dry weather and high winds have fueled wildfires in the Cascades, smothering the city in a thick layer of smoke. And that is despite the winds, which have caused widespread power outages.
 

woolfe9998

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Woke up this morning and looked out the window. It's dark like night. Still dark at 10:00 a.m. It isn't clouds. It's smoke. It looks like a scene from the apocalypse.
 

Moonbeam

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Woke up this morning and looked out the window. It's dark like night. Still dark at 10:00 a.m. It isn't clouds. It's smoke. It looks like a scene from the apocalypse.
I was thinking more like a pox eclipse. It's really unbelievable and feels eerily all wrong emotionally. I think I can understand why Eskimos can go crazy in winter time.
 

hal2kilo

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Been getting smoke, first from over the Cascades from a few fires in eastern Washington, but now, there are some scary outbreaks of 10 to 50 acres on the west side of the Cascades. My weather station said it was 16% humidity. EDIT: Keep in mind, I live on a peninsula, the Hood Canal is just to the west of me, and Puget Sound is east of me. First time I ever saw single digit humidity was when I lived in Orange, CA during the Santa Anna's. No rain expected until Tuesday. Nope no climate change, nothing what so ever.
 
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Vic

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Just FYI, these wildires aren't just in the public forests. This isn't a matter of 'raking the forests' or other bullshit. Private woodlands, farms, and fields in the suburbs and close-in rural areas are burning due to hot dry weather and high winds. I personally know several people who have been forced to evacuate their homes.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Just FYI, these wildires aren't just in the public forests. This isn't a matter of 'raking the forests' or other bullshit. Private woodlands, farms, and fields in the suburbs and close-in rural areas are burning due to hot dry weather and high winds. I personally know several people who have been forced to evacuate their homes.
That's exactly what's been going on. A town of about 300 in SE Washington is 80% burned up. Town hall, fire station, you name it.
 

Muse

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'Tis very very dark hereabouts, Berkeley, CA. Smoke, mostly above ground level, however the AQI here is currently "Unhealthy" at 104 as of 11AM. A lot of ash settling over the last day or two!

Whatever the science, it feels like the Trump Nasgul circling and passing over the sun. Evil is about...
 

Vic

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An admittedly selfish personal tragedy for me here is that the poor air quality from the wildfires is killing my garden. I grow a garden every year, but it had been a high point for me during all this COVID bullshit that being home had allowed me to grow one of my best gardens ever. Especially my tomatoes. And now in 2 days, right at harvest, I'm watching them all die off despite my best efforts to save them.

Fuck 2020.
 

Muse

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An admittedly selfish personal tragedy for me here is that the poor air quality from the wildfires is killing my garden. I grow a garden every year, but it had been a high point for me during all this COVID bullshit that being home had allowed me to grow one of my best gardens ever. Especially my tomatoes. And now in 2 days, right at harvest, I'm watching them all die off despite my best efforts to save them.

Fuck 2020.
I've been harvesting my tomatoes since late July. Got a late start, usually I have red tomatoes coming in by around July 1, even sooner, but because of the pandemic I wouldn't go to the nurseries. Before the SIP directive, I checked my favorite nursery a couple of times but they didn't have the plants yet. A neighbor's been doing my shopping and got me 10 four inch tomato plants, way later than I usually get them. 1/2 died, but 4 or so plants did OK. I didn't check today, will tomorrow. It was so dark out there. The plants have been dying anyway, a couple were almost dead before all this ash came down. One or two were doing OK, and there were 2-3 volunteers that have born tomatoes. I canned LOTS of hot sauce and gave some tomatoes to my neighbor who shops for me.

One thing that is probably gonna survive anything is my purple tree collard plant. It's from Jurassic Park, pretty monstrous. I should harvest it more. Plan to make a stew tomorrow with it, and a lot of other veges (mostly bought), and a pound of beef stew meat from a lean roast. Base of the stew is hunks of my kabocha squash. I picked the first today, it weighs over 6lb. I usually plant kabochas (around 125 seeds, I let them fight it out), but this year I didn't plant, they are all volunteers. Result of this is that with fewer plants fighting it out for sun (less than 10), water and nutrients, the squash themselves are huge. I have a few out there that must be well over 10lb.
 

hal2kilo

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Just opened up to get the house cooled down for tomorrow, it's going to be a hot one. Problem is the smoke is worse than what I remember it being 2 years ago when western Canada was on fire. I might as well be sitting next to a camp fire. I'm thinking something more local, will have to watch local news tonight.
 

Greenman

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Get used to more and worse fires due to Climate Change. CA has always had fires, but now it's going to take that much more effort in prevention management to keep them from getting out of control. It can be done--just going to cost more when the climate is more favorable to fires. Just one of many changes we are all going to need to adjust to (I'm in hurricane central FLA, we have our own fire and drought problem at times, not to mention coastal issues.)
Poor forest management is in that mix as well.
 

Fenixgoon

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Greenman

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Yes, and 58% of california's forested land is federally owned
So? The Feds are every bit as capable of doing a poor job as the state is.
 

Vic

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I've been harvesting my tomatoes since late July. Got a late start, usually I have red tomatoes coming in by around July 1, even sooner, but because of the pandemic I wouldn't go to the nurseries. Before the SIP directive, I checked my favorite nursery a couple of times but they didn't have the plants yet. A neighbor's been doing my shopping and got me 10 four inch tomato plants, way later than I usually get them. 1/2 died, but 4 or so plants did OK. I didn't check today, will tomorrow. It was so dark out there. The plants have been dying anyway, a couple were almost dead before all this ash came down. One or two were doing OK, and there were 2-3 volunteers that have born tomatoes. I canned LOTS of hot sauce and gave some tomatoes to my neighbor who shops for me.

One thing that is probably gonna survive anything is my purple tree collard plant. It's from Jurassic Park, pretty monstrous. I should harvest it more. Plan to make a stew tomorrow with it, and a lot of other veges (mostly bought), and a pound of beef stew meat from a lean roast. Base of the stew is hunks of my kabocha squash. I picked the first today, it weighs over 6lb. I usually plant kabochas (around 125 seeds, I let them fight it out), but this year I didn't plant, they are all volunteers. Result of this is that with fewer plants fighting it out for sun (less than 10), water and nutrients, the squash themselves are huge. I have a few out there that must be well over 10lb.
I did not mean to imply that I haven't had a good harvest already. I have. Been eating and canning tomatoes and peppers almost non-stop for a month now. It's just that I only grow indeterminates and expect to be able to keep harvesting into October.
 

Vic

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Just opened up to get the house cooled down for tomorrow, it's going to be a hot one. Problem is the smoke is worse than what I remember it being 2 years ago when western Canada was on fire. I might as well be sitting next to a camp fire. I'm thinking something more local, will have to watch local news tonight.
There is no way I'm going to open the house with this air quality. It's like being inside a campfire. Thankfully, I have AC.