Originally posted by: Helenihi
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Helenihi
Originally posted by: conjur
Manufacturing jobs pay a helluva lot more in the States than do the service industry jobs.
Trade deficits are irrelevant? :roll:
Oh really, lawyers and doctors make less than factory workers? That's interesting news.
Do you have some evidence that average wages went down?
And yes, they're irrelevant, why would they matter?
Ah, so those 3 million lost manufacturing jobs are now lawyers and doctors. Great news. :roll: That's the most stupid comment on this board in a month!
More than likely, they're telemarketers making much less than they were with no benefits.
And again, the trade deficit doesn't matter?
Nearly 1 trillion per year comes in than goes out. Add a huge budget deficit and you're looking at the recipe for a big burst!
Oh, and I don't know about Ross Perot, but one of the originators of NAFTA doesn't think it's good...
The congressman who led the push among Latino legislators for passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement 12 years ago is now calling that legislation ?a tragic failure? in an appeal for rejection of the Central American Free Trade Agreement now before Congress.
In a letter to his colleagues, former California Rep. Esteban Torres said that as chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, he worked hard to ensure that NAFTA became law because he ?thought it would create increased economic opportunity on both sides of the border.? Torres cited assurances of fair wage, labor and environmental standards and better social and economic conditions for Mexican as well as U.S. workers.
?Sadly,? 11 years after the trade agreement?s passage, Torres stated, ?nearly a million U.S. jobs have been lost ? [and] in Mexico, 1.5 million farmers have lost their farms due to NAFTA while the minimum wage there has dropped severely.?
As the debate on CAFTA takes center stage in Washington, Torres warned members of Congress that the arguments used by the proponents of the Central America Free Trade Agreement ?strike hauntingly familiar chords to those used in favor of NAFTA.? He added, ?The failure of NAFTA demands that all members of Congress concerned about the fate of workers, farmers and immigrants reject CAFTA.?
So again, do you have some evidence that wages went down to show that the change from manufacturing to service has hurt workers? You keep avoiding it so I assume you dont.
I never said they were all lawyers and doctors, I see you've resorted to making things up so you can actually beat an argument every now and then. I'll try and use small words so you can understand.
You're referring that lawyers and doctors make less than factory workers indicates that you are moving the factory workers from the factory to the service industry of lawyers and doctors. Telemarketers and McDonalds employees are also "SERVICE JOBS" and I do say that they make NO WHERE NEAR what a good factory job makes. I've seen 1,000 jobs leave my company in the past 2 years to Mexico and the average wage with benefits was $21.00 USD per hour. Show me a Walmart, McDonalds or telemarketing job making that?
You said service industry jobs pay badly.
I pointed out that there were many that dont.
I asked for some evidence that in general service is worse than manufacturing and switching from one to another was bad.
You have not provided this evidence.
Telemarketers, Retail stores, McDonalds, temporary service workers. You think these are better paying jobs than Manufacturing? Sure there are service jobs that are better, but the majority of jobs created in the last 5 years are contsruction (which may be better at least for now) and "TEMP SERVICE JOBS".
No, the trade deficit doesnt matter, why would it? And where are you getting your numbers? Your habit of lying and making things up is getting old, the U.S. trade deficit is half what you said it was.
The trade deficit is on course for nearly 800 billion this year from $672 last year. While not quite $1 trillion, it's right there and will be there in a few years. But since you think it doesn't matter, then may your job go with it
Your article is useless and provides no real information, just one representative trying to get reelected.
Notice that he is a FORMER Rep. so he's not trying to get re-elected. Also, since he was one of the original pushers of NAFTA, I guess he does indeed have a weigh in on the subject
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