CA State budget re-evalutaed. State is actually 16 billion in the hole.

[Slew Foot]

Clearly the solution is to hand out more money to welfare assholes and illegal immigrants.

 

[Hacp]

The trouble with the liberal mentality. Unions. No union worker should be making 200k a year in pensions after retiring in his or her 40s. Same with SS disability. Government handouts is killing us.

 

[IGBT]

business/earners/achievers are packing up and leaving calif. They are being replaced by social parasites and welfare recipients. Public safety is in jeopardy due to massive prison releases due to the liberal activist courts. It's become an economic slaughter house with endless regulations and litigation against employers and business. And with AB 32 on the horizon this will only assure more departures from calif. Lots of reasons to escape california.

 

[Craig234]

CA really needs to legalize the type of drugs you are smoking. Explain to me how state CA Republicans have "blocked the solutions" in the state when they don't even compromise simple a majority? The state assembly has been dominated by Democrats for over 30+ years now for crying out loud and the GOP has had enough votes to override democrat proposals for good while now.

What part of 2/3 requirement to pass any tax, and Republicans taking a 'pledge' is unclear?

What part of Republicans being behind a scam to devastate commercial property tax revenues that has gutted the taxes for the state causing problems is unclear?

Enron Arnold with bad policies didn't help, the Bush economic crash didn't help...

 

[Craig234]

They get welfare and education/healthcare and the hispanics in California even voted AGAINST a bill that would deny welfare/benefits to illegal scum

1. Healthcare is not Emergency Room care.

2. You have a greatly exaggerated paranoia of 'benefits'.

3. The word 'scum' is one you might not want to toss around, it'll blow back to you.

4. Education more than pays for itself.

5. There's a net illegal immigration rate of zero now headed negative.

6. The illegal immigrants contribute much more than they take.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

What part of 2/3 requirement to pass any tax, and Republicans taking a 'pledge' is unclear?

There is no 2/3 requirement needed to pass a failed budget based on rosy projections Craig. Remember that Democrats ensured that a simple majority is all that was needed when they conned the public into voting for this change in the budgetary process to get this fanciful budget planned passed. Furthermore CA Dem's have also been doing end around moves with taxes by upping fees rather then going to voters and directly hitting them up for tax increases that they know the majority in this state will not support. However tax increases will not solve our issues in this state and would have more of effect at pushing out businesses or causing them to seek tax shelters out of state in states such as Nevada.

What part of Republicans being behind a scam to devastate commercial property tax revenues that has gutted the taxes for the state causing problems is unclear?

Enron Arnold with bad policies didn't help, the Bush economic crash didn't help...

Sorry pass the buck Craig but this has no bearing or even credibility on the reasons behind why Jerry Moonbeam's and the state Dem's wishful budget projections did not pan out.

 

[Craig234]

There is no 2/3 requirement needed to pass a failed budget based on rosy projections Craig. Remember that Democrats ensured that a simple majority is all that was needed when they conned the public into voting for this change in the budgetary process to get this fanciful budget planned passed.

The ability of Democrats to pass a budget has been in place a whole one budget. It'll help.

But that's only so useful when they can't raise revenue to recover in a depression, with property values slashed.

Furthermore CA Dem's have also been doing end around moves with taxes by upping fees rather then going to voters and directly hitting them up for tax increases that they know the majority in this state will not support.

They won't? How do you know, when a majority can't pass them anyway? When Republicans have fought against letting the voters vote on them?

However tax increases will not solve our issues in this state and would have more of effect at pushing out businesses or causing them to seek tax shelters out of state in states such as Nevada.

Clueless ideology that 'taxes won't help with the budget'. I do agree there is a problem caused by low-money states being able to offer tax incentives but we can deal with it.

Sorry pass the buck Craig but this has no bearing or even credibility on the reasons behind why Jerry Moonbeam's and the state Dem's wishful budget projections did not pan out.

The constraints push legislatures to play games to get budgets passed - not just Dems.

Scott Walker got all the budget cuts AND union busting he wanted - and is 50th in jobs.

 

[Jaskalas]

CA State budget re-evalutaed. State is actually 16 billion in the hole.

California is too big to fail, why doesn't the federal reserve step in and bail them out?

Or does the United States dollar only bail out the 1%?

 

[Incorruptible]

1. Healthcare is not Emergency Room care.

Many of the illegals are coming in to deliver babies so there anchor babies and they do get healthcare

2. You have a greatly exaggerated paranoia of 'benefits'.

I have already stated they get many benefits, the hispanics in California were voting against a bill that would deny welfare to the illegals

3. The word 'scum' is one you might not want to toss around, it'll blow back to you.

I dont know what else these people should be called, coming in to leech off the hardworking Americans

4. Education more than pays for itself.

Do you actually believe they should get education, no wonder so many keep coming in

5. There's a net illegal immigration rate of zero now headed negative.

More are coming in

6. The illegal immigrants contribute much more than they take.

Not true at all

Answers in bold

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The ability of Democrats to pass a budget has been in place a whole one budget. It'll help.

And that was more then enough time for democrats to push a crappy budget based on fanciful projections and continue the same failed fiscal agenda without doing a damn thing to address our spending problems which have lead to this 16 billion dollar impasse.

But that's only so useful when they can't raise revenue to recover in a depression, with property values slashed.

Again Dem's have not even addressed major spending issues which is why voters have turned them down each and every time they have come to the ballot with a new proposed tax hike.

They won't? How do you know, when a majority can't pass them anyway? When Republicans have fought against letting the voters vote on them?

Jerry is threatening to bring this to a vote. The GOP doesn't have the ability to prevent tax payers from voting on such proposals.

Clueless ideology that 'taxes won't help with the budget'. I do agree there is a problem caused by low-money states being able to offer tax incentives but we can deal with it.

LOL you have the nerve to say I'm clueless? You sir are the definition of someone who buries their head in the sand pretending that they can increase taxes, fees, etc on those who can very easily flee the state and/or shelter their money.

The constraints push legislatures to play games to get budgets passed - not just Dems.

This is just a cop out. Democrats refuse to make necessary cuts for the sake of retaining political control in the state. They much rather pass the buck onto the GOP in order to turn around and vilify them when the necessity for budget cuts has grown to large to ignore.

Scott Walker got all the budget cuts AND union busting he wanted - and is 50th in jobs.

This thread isn't about Wisconsin so stop trying to cloud the thread with off topic comparisons. In addition Wisconsin unemployment rate is a 6.9% compared to the 11% in California and Walker has for all intense purposes balanced their budget without raising taxes.

http://fox6now.com/2012/05/10/revenue-projections-show-wisconsin-has-154m-surplus/

Edit: In case you sadly decide to bring out Maddow's sad rant on Wisconsin.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/

 

[Craig234]

Answers in bold

Rather than bother with more than one point: you say Americans work harder than them?

 

[postmortemIA]

Why do you think Apple has used the tactic to open up a subsidiary branch in Nevada to avoid their tax load? Do you honestly believe they won't or can't move out and just say fuck it if the political climate grows too hostile toward them and their business in CA?

It really amazes me that some people believe in punishing and blaming private businesses for the excesses spending of government. As if this is the answer magic answer to dwindling tax revenue and over spending. Such rational is not part of the solution but sadly part of the problem and also why the revenue drop could further if people who only view in this entire debacle is the goal but not the consequences of their actions and how they effect and cause others to react around them.

They can't move out of CA. The state is more desirable for their employees than elsewhere. And obviously employees have settled in CA.

Yes, govts have lots of waste and portion of 16bln can be taken care of by more efficient state/fed govt. I doubt all of the shortfall is in the waste or in the projects that benefit nobody. So the fact remains: state does struggle to make ends met. And companies are using many things provided by the state such as infrastructure. Which somebody has to pay for. And companies seem to be able to profit from this situation the most, thus they are not paying their fair share.

 

[dmcowen674]

CA State budget re-evalutaed. State is actually 16 billion in the hole

So it turns out that the rose colored glasses Jerry and the state's democratic party were wearing when they formulated our budget provided them with a false picture of our budget and actual revenue.

Their wishful projections for future revenue increases failed badly and the state now faces a 16 Billion dollar short fall. You got to love budget plans based on unicorns and roses failing out of the sky in order to sell a horrible budget to appeal to the dem's voting block in this state.

Edit: What is worse is that Brown believes/hopes voters will approve tax hikes on themselves when he has done very little to address the major budgetary spending issues which make up our deficits.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/05/12/state/n115058D26.DTL&tsp=1

What you FAIL to own up to is the fact that your mess is because of your hero Republicans failing to raise taxes and reduce spending.

Your Republican heroes are still at it blocking the two thirds majority vote needed to raise taxes.

The mess California is in 110% you and your buddies fault.

 

[CPA]

A thread filled with ignorance from the usual suspects, mostly, demanding the things that cause the problems be done more. Republicans have blocked the solutions.

Reread the articles, the Democrats did not like Brown's solution of cuts.

And OP, your article failed to mention Brown and the Dems haven't apparently learned a thing about projections because they are now projecting a tax increase would bring in $9B, while most economists believe it will only bring in $6B.

This is the problem with government accounting, all allocations are based on projection revenue and there is no effective way to control the spending if revenue is not coming in as expected.

 

[CPA]

They can't move out of CA. The state is more desirable for their employees than elsewhere. And obviously employees have settled in CA.

Yes, govts have lots of waste and portion of 16bln can be taken care of by more efficient state/fed govt. I doubt all of the shortfall is in the waste or in the projects that benefit nobody. So the fact remains: state does struggle to make ends met. And companies are using many things provided by the state such as infrastructure. Which somebody has to pay for. And companies seem to be able to profit from this situation the most, thus they are not paying their fair share.

You are smoking something magical if you don't think Apple or any other company can and would pack up and leave under the right circumstances.

 

[Hacp]

Reread the articles, the Democrats did not like Brown's solution of cuts.

And OP, your article failed to mention Brown and the Dems haven't apparently learned a thing about projections because they are now projecting a tax increase would bring in $9B, while most economists believe it will only bring in $6B.

This is the problem with government accounting, all allocations are based on projection revenue and there is no effective way to control the spending if revenue is not coming in as expected.

There we have it. CPA. Certified public accountant. Finally someone who sees that we need to drastically cut welfare payments in order to save the golden state.

 

[IGBT]

..and they still use base line budgeting which assures enough is never enough. It's safe to say that the demolitions have been set. There is no turning back. Kali is going to fall like an old football stadium...

 

[Lithium381]

What you FAIL to own up to is the fact that your mess is because of your hero Republicans failing to raise taxes and reduce spending.

Your Republican heroes are still at it blocking the two thirds majority vote needed to raise taxes.

The mess California is in 110% you and your buddies fault.

I thought the Dems had control of the Legislature and the Governors office . . . .They can cut spending, I can almost guarantee you the R's wouldn't block that

 

[Lithium381]

Although, they'll try and cut spending on neccessary things and then point at the R's . . i've seen that game played before

 

[Greenman]

I assume that the 16B shortfall doesn't include unfunded pensions from all the city's and county's in CA since those aren't state employees? I'd also like to see how much of that is paid out in non citizen medicaid, and benefits to family's of anchor babies.

My guess is that CA is actually in the hole for hundreds of billions beyond what the tax base will produce over the next ten years. This is going to get very ugly.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

They can't move out of CA. The state is more desirable for their employees than elsewhere. And obviously employees have settled in CA.

Yes, govts have lots of waste and portion of 16bln can be taken care of by more efficient state/fed govt. I doubt all of the shortfall is in the waste or in the projects that benefit nobody. So the fact remains: state does struggle to make ends met. And companies are using many things provided by the state such as infrastructure. Which somebody has to pay for. And companies seem to be able to profit from this situation the most, thus they are not paying their fair share.

You miss the part where I stated that they could also find other avenues to shelter their money. Just as Apple and other corporations have done and will continue to do until the climate becomes to hostile and they do indeed move out and just leave behind recruiting offices for prospective employees fresh out of college. You also forget that most grads in the state are out of state transplants so moving is not a big deal. In fact anyone not prepared or willing to move out of their current state for a job is foolishly limiting their employment potential.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I thought the Dems had control of the Legislature and the Governors office . . . .They can cut spending, I can almost guarantee you the R's wouldn't block that

They (R's) couldn't do a damn thing even if they wanted to because budget plans can now be passed with a simple majority (example being this farce of budget plan passed by the Dem's) and Dem's have a enough votes (62% majority in the senate and 65% majority in the state assembly) to over come any Republican challenge in both houses to pass whatever they want.

 

[LunarRay]

Reread the articles, the Democrats did not like Brown's solution of cuts.

And OP, your article failed to mention Brown and the Dems haven't apparently learned a thing about projections because they are now projecting a tax increase would bring in $9B, while most economists believe it will only bring in $6B.

This is the problem with government accounting, all allocations are based on projection revenue and there is no effective way to control the spending if revenue is not coming in as expected.

Jerry Brown thinks he's Governor of '75 California, I think.

His tools are garnered from experience and not founded in a solid education... a BA in 'The Classics' forces that...
It seems incredibly stupid to project revenue without projecting job growth based on the reality of today... There are some favorable trend lines but they don't support his numbers, not in my opinion... [I agree that IF his assumptions are true then 6.3B or so is likely] But, I don't agree with his assumptions!
He can control outflow to the extent he can but, it will grow based on the dynamics of the demands...
Ok... folks are sorta stuck in place... business and workers. Brown does have some labor intensive schemes to execute but he needs legislative help and those bozos can't even agree on the color of the rest room paint.

The focus must be on job creation and let all the rest of the fiscal decisions support that... lower taxation to induce business to not only come in but to expand... Float Bonds to construct some long term projects... Raise the sales tax... no one will really notice a 1/4 cent increase.

You can't really touch the social aspects of the budget since that is both unpalatable to the voter and reduces the demand... Gotta cut education and health care... Move Government into Austerity but hold the Economy up. Maybe some aspect of welfare can stand to be adjusted... in law.. like no citizen will be put in the streets but no non citizen will be tolerated if they drain instead of produce.

Every economist at the university (UCSD) has a different approach. How can everyone be right... Nope! The only reasonable thing to do is focus on jobs...

 

[Incorruptible]

California needs to stop giving welfare/education/healthcare to illegal immigrants and anchor babies, this costs way too much

 

[LunarRay]

California needs to stop giving welfare/education/healthcare to illegal immigrants and anchor babies, this costs way too much

Are 'anchor babies' citizens of the US?