buying gold for an MMO

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: RBachman
You're all entirely missing the point. It's the attitude that you simply can't survive without that Sword of Uberity that's the root of the problem; a sense of entitlement which didn't before exist in the genre but which the morons brought to it. You can do just fine with what's available to you at the amount of time you play and at the level of your character; in fact it lends to the sense of immersion, which happens to be one of the things I miss most about this now-dead genre. Further, if you have half a brain you can take 10 minutes a day to play the market for a small flow of money which will cover any costs you come across and maybe even buy you that Sword of Uberity you drool over so much if you're decent with prices.

Originally posted by: Looney
LOL looks like somebody has issues. You're the type of people that make me concern with MMO players. The people who take the game so seriously, who put so much of their identity into the game, that the accomplishments in the game seem so real to you. So if you see others who aren't doing the same accomplishments as you, you freak out. Case in point, you get to make a single wish to can change anything in this universe, and you choose it to affect a game?

"You take the game too seriously" coming from someone who has no problem dropping real cash on game money? :laugh:

You can't buy skill, by the way. I see a lot of obvious ebayers running around in this game without a clue what they're doing and just have to laugh at them, and kill them if they're opposing faction. As do most others who don't cheat.

entitlement? wtf? it has nothing to do with not being able to survive, for some people it has to do with keeping up. it's enough of a grind getting to 60 in WoW (that's the only mmo i've put any time into), but then having huge repair bills while learning the end game instances plus keeping up with equipment...yeah. definately entitled. that's why i quit playing, i couldn't keep up and i don't see the point in spending lots of real money on a game i won't be playing forever.

and yes, i have seen ebayers as well, pvp seems to really show who bought their character and who did the lvl 60 grind. however, i simply can't agree that it's "cheating" especially when sony is cashing in on it in eq2. and if you think they did that for anything other than money you have your head in the dirt.

That is SUCH bullsh!t..
Just becasue someone cant PVP doesnt make them a ebayer...
There are kids under 10 and adults over 40 that play this game that are able to make it to 60 just casually..
This game is NOT about PVP...
its a fun game that appeals to the masses.
and who cares if someone buys a few gold to buy a new mount or buy repairs when things get tight..

it does NOT AFFECT YOU..
On my server money literally means nothing.. you cant buy anything of any value of the AH.
everyone is and has been 60 for a long time..
The server has been closed to new accounts for a long time and the server is old school.
all money will do for you is alow mounts.. repairs.. potions..

big whoop..

everyone expects you to have these items anyway..
myself 2 L60s and ive never even seen past 400g..
I'll litterally never have an epic mount or the new armour you have to trade and pay for..

but hell.. 1 hour of pay will get me 500g... thats aweful tempting these days..

 

[edtsui]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Consider this; I legitimately made enough gold to buy my epic mount with enough left over to buy the cards to put together a maelstrom trinket in under 3 hours /played. That's just an example, and one specific to market skill. But all I did was press buttons

Congratulations, if only you applied that logic to real life. You're wasting your time trying to defend your ideal for this game rather than looking at it logically. In that 3 hours you spent farming for your maelstrom trinket, a gold buyer which is likely a busy working individual just made enough real life money to buy the gold for several maelstrom decks and then some.

Even if gold farmers flooded the market, inflation would quickly occur and prices would rapidly drop diminishing the value of the exchange rate for gold and real life currency.

BTW, repair costs do add up. A 7/8 Nightslayer rogue who can just vanish when wipe is called should hardly have a repair cost. Play an MT in full Tier 2 or even my druid on AQ progression raids and those 30-50g repair costs quickly stack up.

Hear are sum speling errers four you to discount mai opinion.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
The day I pay real world money for in game money or for a chinese man to level up my character is the day I should kill myself.

amen

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: edtsui
Congratulations, if only you applied that logic to real life. You're wasting your time trying to defend your ideal for this game rather than looking at it logically. In that 3 hours you spent farming for your maelstrom trinket, a gold buyer which is likely a busy working individual just made enough real life money to buy the gold for several maelstrom decks and then some.

Even if gold farmers flooded the market, inflation would quickly occur and prices would rapidly drop diminishing the value of the exchange rate for gold and real life currency.

BTW, repair costs do add up. A 7/8 Nightslayer rogue who can just vanish when wipe is called should hardly have a repair cost. Play an MT in full Tier 2 or even my druid on AQ progression raids and those 30-50g repair costs quickly stack up.

Hear are sum speling errers four you to discount mai opinion.

Actually it took me that long not to get one maelstrom deck, but three - two of which I sold for more than enough to get my epic mount. Regardless, I was making a point which you totally missed and I'm not about to repeat.

The ooc changes made with a recent patch affect rogue stealth and vanish now, btw - and not just on boss mobs. In AQ20 the other day our first pull went bad and we zoned it. I had never come out of stealth so I just stayed in & boogied over to a corner - they came after me. I vanished - they still came after me. Believe me, I have repair bills.

I'm not a spelling nazi, the child above confused one word for another which had an entirely different meaning and continued his ridiculous and stupid arguments against a strawman I never supported based on it, that was what I called him on. And so-called "AOLese" words aren't unintentional spelling errors; they're quite intentional and, in a society where it's cool and attractive to be stupid, are childrens' pathetic attempts to fit in.

 

[CKent]

it does NOT AFFECT YOU..

Wrong.

 

[edtsui]

I don't care if you have an opinion on it, but don't spout out your arguments and belittle others as if you were superior to them and infallible.

It's also absurd that people can so easily mock someone for spending real money for gold. Its a hobby and entertainment and people are willing to pay for it. Do you get mocked for watching stock cars drive around in circles for 3 hours or paying 100 dollars for a piece of cardboard that says Michael Jordan? Things like that have instrinsic value to their owner and I respect that.

I have still yet to see an explanation on how this affects you. Any epic BoE weapon on the AH still pales in comparison compared to what drops in raid dungeons. So what do you care if Joe Noobie runs around with a Krol Blade. Why does it have to be some kind of sin to want that "Sword of Uberity"?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: edtsui
Congratulations, if only you applied that logic to real life. You're wasting your time trying to defend your ideal for this game rather than looking at it logically. In that 3 hours you spent farming for your maelstrom trinket, a gold buyer which is likely a busy working individual just made enough real life money to buy the gold for several maelstrom decks and then some.

Even if gold farmers flooded the market, inflation would quickly occur and prices would rapidly drop diminishing the value of the exchange rate for gold and real life currency.

BTW, repair costs do add up. A 7/8 Nightslayer rogue who can just vanish when wipe is called should hardly have a repair cost. Play an MT in full Tier 2 or even my druid on AQ progression raids and those 30-50g repair costs quickly stack up.

Hear are sum speling errers four you to discount mai opinion.

Actually it took me that long not to get one maelstrom deck, but three - two of which I sold for more than enough to get my epic mount. Regardless, I was making a point which you totally missed and I'm not about to repeat.

The ooc changes made with a recent patch affect rogue stealth and vanish now, btw - and not just on boss mobs. In AQ20 the other day our first pull went bad and we zoned it. I had never come out of stealth so I just stayed in & boogied over to a corner - they came after me. I vanished - they still came after me. Believe me, I have repair bills.

I'm not a spelling nazi, the child above confused one word for another which had an entirely different meaning and continued his ridiculous and stupid arguments against a strawman I never supported based on it, that was what I called him on. And so-called "AOLese" words aren't unintentional spelling errors; they're quite intentional and, in a society where it's cool and attractive to be stupid, are childrens' pathetic attempts to fit in.

LOLOL your posts are so predictable. You only have like a few arguments, and you keep beating them over and over again. Once YOU grow up, you'll realize that the only people who value arguments based on age/education level are those who are young and don't have the education. People like you feel inferior in those domains, so you try to compensate it by projecting those attributes you feel are inferior onto others. Adults don't care about those, because we know they're not some sense of accomplishment. You on the other hand, seem to be fixated on using age as an insult. So if i was 15 years younger and a teen, somehow my posts are any less valid? LOLOL one day, when you grow up, you'll realize that it's only kids that are concern with age (or lack of age) as an important authoritative attribute. In the meantime, most people are seeing through your facade.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: edtsui
I don't care if you have an opinion on it, but don't spout out your arguments and belittle others as if you were superior to them and infallible.

If I call the Pope Catholic, am I belittling him? If I call the earth round, am I expressing superiority over it? I'm being nothing but bluntly honest when calling the idiots who've helped to ruin a genre which was once fun and held much promise stupid.

It's also absurd that people can so easily mock someone for spending real money for gold. Its a hobby and entertainment and people are willing to pay for it. Do you get mocked for watching stock cars drive around in circles for 3 hours or paying 100 dollars for a piece of cardboard that says Michael Jordan? Things like that have instrinsic value to their owner and I respect that.

NASCAR fans and ball card collectors don't hurt others' enjoyment.

I have still yet to see an explanation on how this affects you.

Then you have yet to read the thread you're responding in. And what I've said on that is just the tip of the iceberg.

So what do you care if Joe Noobie runs around with a Krol Blade. Why does it have to be some kind of sin to want that "Sword of Uberity"?

It's not at all. I want the Dagger of Uberity, personally The difference is the means of acquisition and the effect that has on the game, therefore on other players.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: abaez
Dire Maul was fixed this patch. The hunters are all back in Maraudon now.

Oh? Just took these two screens.

 

[nageov3t]

I've read every post in this thread and I still can't figure out how others buying gold affects you.

on bronzebeard at least, prices in the AH have been going down over the past year, not skyrocketing due to inflation. 12 months ago, Krol Blades were selling for ~1,000 gold. now they're down around 500-600 gold. doesn't really affect my life since the best equipment in the game is BoP anyways.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've read every post in this thread and I still can't figure out how others buying gold affects you.

Originally posted by: RBachman
The borked economy, the constant tells in Chinese (one of my mains is a 60 rogue, they just assume we're all Chinese), the constant spam via both /tell and mail for me to buy gold and the clueless noobs running around in their two tier1 BoEs and mostly all other BoE gear rather than BoP, wiping groups & raids, don't affect my gameplay?

Read much?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yeah, I'm sure there are some geniuses working at fast food restaurants as well. When talking about millions of people though, generalizations must be made; trends noted. Anomalies are only so visible in the first place because they differ from the norm.

You have no information to base your claims on, and really logic would say you are wrong. The people who work part time fast food jobs would be the ones playing 8 hours a day and can barely afford to play the game, let along purchase gold. Everyone here so far has come up with examples of people with real jobs and no time, the reasons why we purchase the currency. You have completely ignored the truth.

I think the best point that has been brought up is that the casual gamers would rather spend what little time they have actually playing the game, not spending half their time just farming money and saving up to one day, maybe, buy that phat piece they want. Some of us want to enjoy the game.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: Malak
I'm curious if anyone has ever purchased currency for an MMO. I've heard of some people do it and some who are quite against it. It seems to be a huge deal these days, with sites popping up all over the place selling currency. I just did a search for isk for EVE, dozens of places popped up. It's crazy, but it's also amazingly cheap. 100m isk for $18? That's the cost of the battleship I want... it's so tempting.

I actually made a little profit with this stuff in Guild Wars...
Back in the day, when this was still possible, I sold several items on e-bay for a price that outweighed the price for the amount of gold these items would be worth in game. So, then I used that money to buy 200k gold on e-bay, which is a hell of a lot more anyone would give for these items in game.
Best thing is, I still had some money left over after the purchase. The person I dealt with, was very friendly, and the delivery was safe and secure.


The only thing I'd like to add though, is that all this hustle was hardly worth it, since the time and energy I spent on all this, is worth a lot more IMHO.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yeah, I'm sure there are some geniuses working at fast food restaurants as well. When talking about millions of people though, generalizations must be made; trends noted. Anomalies are only so visible in the first place because they differ from the norm.

You have no information to base your claims on, and really logic would say you are wrong. The people who work part time fast food jobs would be the ones playing 8 hours a day and can barely afford to play the game, let along purchase gold. Everyone here so far has come up with examples of people with real jobs and no time, the reasons why we purchase the currency. You have completely ignored the truth.

I think the best point that has been brought up is that the casual gamers would rather spend what little time they have actually playing the game, not spending half their time just farming money and saving up to one day, maybe, buy that phat piece they want. Some of us want to enjoy the game.

I have a friend who works at Jiffy Lube who just bought a 10000rpm SATA drive so his games could load faster. Gaming is all he does, it seems.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Looney
Huh? Who said anything about farming gold for 20 hrs a week.

Ah, you can tell when somebody lacks the ability to argue... they start using age as a form of authority, and focus in the grammar and spelling of the posts rather than the content. And here we have you doing both. :thumbsup:

It's just hard to take someone seriously when they type like a 5 year old. The only basis we have for forming an impression of others on internet forums is the way we type... and some children shoot themselves in the foot by trying "2 b k3wl" like a braindead AOLer.

As far as skill is concerned... that's for me to know and you to ... well, judging by your posts, it's for you to attempt to purchase on ebay. Consider this; I legitimately made enough gold to buy my epic mount with enough left over to buy the cards to put together a maelstrom trinket in under 3 hours /played. That's just an example, and one specific to market skill. But all I did was press buttons

and i've seen a woman naked who wasn't named .jpg, so really who wins here?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yeah, I'm sure there are some geniuses working at fast food restaurants as well. When talking about millions of people though, generalizations must be made; trends noted. Anomalies are only so visible in the first place because they differ from the norm.

You have no information to base your claims on, and really logic would say you are wrong. The people who work part time fast food jobs would be the ones playing 8 hours a day and can barely afford to play the game, let along purchase gold. Everyone here so far has come up with examples of people with real jobs and no time, the reasons why we purchase the currency. You have completely ignored the truth.

I think the best point that has been brought up is that the casual gamers would rather spend what little time they have actually playing the game, not spending half their time just farming money and saving up to one day, maybe, buy that phat piece they want. Some of us want to enjoy the game.

Proof people will go to any length to rationalize the things they do.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Looney
Huh? Who said anything about farming gold for 20 hrs a week.

Ah, you can tell when somebody lacks the ability to argue... they start using age as a form of authority, and focus in the grammar and spelling of the posts rather than the content. And here we have you doing both. :thumbsup:

It's just hard to take someone seriously when they type like a 5 year old. The only basis we have for forming an impression of others on internet forums is the way we type... and some children shoot themselves in the foot by trying "2 b k3wl" like a braindead AOLer.

As far as skill is concerned... that's for me to know and you to ... well, judging by your posts, it's for you to attempt to purchase on ebay. Consider this; I legitimately made enough gold to buy my epic mount with enough left over to buy the cards to put together a maelstrom trinket in under 3 hours /played. That's just an example, and one specific to market skill. But all I did was press buttons

and i've seen a woman naked who wasn't named .jpg, so really who wins here?

Only one? Perhaps you should spend some of that money you're dropping on gold/plat on women instead.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: BreadFan

Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.

Am I the only person that notices the problem with his statement I put in bold above? If I had said lamp, I wouldn't even be thinking about MMORPG's, I would definitely be wishing for Ms. Alba naked in bed. Someone has MMORPG issues or something!

he doesn't take MMOs too seriously tho!!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've read every post in this thread and I still can't figure out how others buying gold affects you.

Originally posted by: RBachman
The borked economy, the constant tells in Chinese (one of my mains is a 60 rogue, they just assume we're all Chinese), the constant spam via both /tell and mail for me to buy gold and the clueless noobs running around in their two tier1 BoEs and mostly all other BoE gear rather than BoP, wiping groups & raids, don't affect my gameplay?

Read much?

I just don't think it happens

I don't know of anyone other than you who's gotten anything close to "constant" tells and mail spam to buy gold and incompentant players can wipe a group whether they've bought gold or not. having a handful of BoE epics doesn't make them more or less prone to causing a wipe than someone's who has never purchased gold.

 

[DarkKnight69]

Interesting Article

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: RBachman
You're all entirely missing the point. It's the attitude that you simply can't survive without that Sword of Uberity that's the root of the problem; a sense of entitlement which didn't before exist in the genre but which the morons brought to it. You can do just fine with what's available to you at the amount of time you play and at the level of your character; in fact it lends to the sense of immersion, which happens to be one of the things I miss most about this now-dead genre. Further, if you have half a brain you can take 10 minutes a day to play the market for a small flow of money which will cover any costs you come across and maybe even buy you that Sword of Uberity you drool over so much if you're decent with prices.

Originally posted by: Looney
LOL looks like somebody has issues. You're the type of people that make me concern with MMO players. The people who take the game so seriously, who put so much of their identity into the game, that the accomplishments in the game seem so real to you. So if you see others who aren't doing the same accomplishments as you, you freak out. Case in point, you get to make a single wish to can change anything in this universe, and you choose it to affect a game?

"You take the game too seriously" coming from someone who has no problem dropping real cash on game money? :laugh:

You can't buy skill, by the way. I see a lot of obvious ebayers running around in this game without a clue what they're doing and just have to laugh at them, and kill them if they're opposing faction. As do most others who don't cheat.

entitlement? wtf? it has nothing to do with not being able to survive, for some people it has to do with keeping up. it's enough of a grind getting to 60 in WoW (that's the only mmo i've put any time into), but then having huge repair bills while learning the end game instances plus keeping up with equipment...yeah. definately entitled. that's why i quit playing, i couldn't keep up and i don't see the point in spending lots of real money on a game i won't be playing forever.

and yes, i have seen ebayers as well, pvp seems to really show who bought their character and who did the lvl 60 grind. however, i simply can't agree that it's "cheating" especially when sony is cashing in on it in eq2. and if you think they did that for anything other than money you have your head in the dirt.

That is SUCH bullsh!t..
Just becasue someone cant PVP doesnt make them a ebayer...
There are kids under 10 and adults over 40 that play this game that are able to make it to 60 just casually..
This game is NOT about PVP...
its a fun game that appeals to the masses.
and who cares if someone buys a few gold to buy a new mount or buy repairs when things get tight..

it does NOT AFFECT YOU..
On my server money literally means nothing.. you cant buy anything of any value of the AH.
everyone is and has been 60 for a long time..
The server has been closed to new accounts for a long time and the server is old school.
all money will do for you is alow mounts.. repairs.. potions..

big whoop..

everyone expects you to have these items anyway..
myself 2 L60s and ive never even seen past 400g..
I'll litterally never have an epic mount or the new armour you have to trade and pay for..

but hell.. 1 hour of pay will get me 500g... thats aweful tempting these days..

some people do nothing but PVP playing WoW so i'm not sure where you get the impression that the game isn't anything about pvp. and not having a clue how to play your character becomes painfully obvious during pvp. you lvl'd a priest to 60 but you're trying to melee? huh? yeah.

anyway, i assume you were just randomly responding to posts in your rant, considering half of it has nothing to do with me.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: abaez
Dire Maul was fixed this patch. The hunters are all back in Maraudon now.

Oh? Just took these two screens.

because those couldn't have dropped months ago right? all those obviously were popped today in DM. because well, that supports your weak ass arguements.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: loki8481
I've read every post in this thread and I still can't figure out how others buying gold affects you.

Originally posted by: RBachman
The borked economy, the constant tells in Chinese (one of my mains is a 60 rogue, they just assume we're all Chinese), the constant spam via both /tell and mail for me to buy gold and the clueless noobs running around in their two tier1 BoEs and mostly all other BoE gear rather than BoP, wiping groups & raids, don't affect my gameplay?

Read much?

i think he actually wants you to explain these mysteries. there is no constant spam, like many others have pointed out. apparently the farmers are targetting you directly and leaving everyone else alone. if you join pugs you deserve to get wiped. there is no effect on the economy, that's a myth period. anything else?

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Looney
Huh? Who said anything about farming gold for 20 hrs a week.

Ah, you can tell when somebody lacks the ability to argue... they start using age as a form of authority, and focus in the grammar and spelling of the posts rather than the content. And here we have you doing both. :thumbsup:

It's just hard to take someone seriously when they type like a 5 year old. The only basis we have for forming an impression of others on internet forums is the way we type... and some children shoot themselves in the foot by trying "2 b k3wl" like a braindead AOLer.

As far as skill is concerned... that's for me to know and you to ... well, judging by your posts, it's for you to attempt to purchase on ebay. Consider this; I legitimately made enough gold to buy my epic mount with enough left over to buy the cards to put together a maelstrom trinket in under 3 hours /played. That's just an example, and one specific to market skill. But all I did was press buttons

and i've seen a woman naked who wasn't named .jpg, so really who wins here?

Only one? Perhaps you should spend some of that money you're dropping on gold/plat on women instead.

read much? did you miss the 8000 posts where i said i quit instead of buying gold? since that is your favorite thing to say.

i'm married so yeah, for the last 11 years it's been one woman. sorry to disappoint.

 

[erikistired]

let me explain to you why gold farmers are allowed to exist. MMOs want to pull as many paying customers as possible, but some people just can't spend the time it takes to survive in these games. you aren't going to be doing much endgame playing 10 hours a week. so along come farmers, who farm gold and sell it to these people who want to play, but can't grind constantly. this in turn gives the MMO company more paying customers and more revenue. sure in public they condemn it and every once in awhile ban an account or two, but that's it. you don't think they can't see who logs in from where? do you think a farming company with 20 computers in one room can't be tracked down? they could ban every account associated with that IP and continue to ban anyone from there. as i said before, once these companies start paying more in new accounts than they are making they would go away. but these guys are bringing in more people who are going to play their game and pay them monthly for it. so they let it go on. and if they aren't going to stop it, then there is no reason people shouldn't take advantage of it. they have as much right to enjoy the game as you do, regardless of how l33t you feel because you can pwn n00bs with your uber rogue.