buying gold for an MMO

[Malak]

Bachman, if you don't even know it's going on, then how can you be upset? If you don't want to do it, that's fine. I may agree on some points, but the idea that it removes immersion just doesn't always apply. If I were truly immersed, my character should already have the phat lewt then. That's the problem casual gamers have. They could play a game for a year and have only a fraction of what other people have, simply because they don't put in as much time each day. We pay the same monthly fee, we should be entitled to the same rewards.

And in the end, you will never know about it Bachman. It is impossible to distinguish one character from another in an online game. There is no way of knowing if they bought their stuff with time or with money. And it affects your gameplay in no way.

 

[JDrake]

Am I the first to call repost ? :Q

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Malak
Bachman, if you don't even know it's going on, then how can you be upset? If you don't want to do it, that's fine. I may agree on some points, but the idea that it removes immersion just doesn't always apply. If I were truly immersed, my character should already have the phat lewt then. That's the problem casual gamers have. They could play a game for a year and have only a fraction of what other people have, simply because they don't put in as much time each day. We pay the same monthly fee, we should be entitled to the same rewards.

And in the end, you will never know about it Bachman. It is impossible to distinguish one character from another in an online game. There is no way of knowing if they bought their stuff with time or with money. And it affects your gameplay in no way.

The borked economy, the constant tells in Chinese (one of my mains is a 60 rogue, they just assume we're all Chinese), the constant spam via both /tell and mail for me to buy gold and the clueless noobs running around in their two tier1 BoEs and mostly all other BoE gear rather than BoP, wiping groups & raids, don't affect my gameplay? There aren't multitues of obvious ebayers?

(note: I have nothing against Chinese people and don't blame professional farmers for the emergence of a market for game money; I blame the demand, not the supply - the idiots buying it are at fault)

If you want instant gratification, pick up an FPS. I play some myself and they can be a ton of fun. Far Cry is one of my all-time favorite games. The GTA series is awesome as well. If you can't "stop and smell the roses", so to speak; enjoy the game wherever you are in it, you're missing the entire point of the genre and doing your own small part to ruin it for others. This type of game isn't for everyone, despite what the businesses making them would like you to think.

 

[nageov3t]

RB, what server are you playing on? I've never experienced anything that bad in WoW... I mean, the occasional /tell spam once every couple months, but that's about it.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman
You're all entirely missing the point. It's the attitude that you simply can't survive without that Sword of Uberity that's the root of the problem; a sense of entitlement which didn't before exist in the genre but which the morons brought to it. You can do just fine with what's available to you at the amount of time you play and at the level of your character; in fact it lends to the sense of immersion, which happens to be one of the things I miss most about this now-dead genre. Further, if you have half a brain you can take 10 minutes a day to play the market for a small flow of money which will cover any costs you come across and maybe even buy you that Sword of Uberity you drool over so much if you're decent with prices.

Originally posted by: Looney
LOL looks like somebody has issues. You're the type of people that make me concern with MMO players. The people who take the game so seriously, who put so much of their identity into the game, that the accomplishments in the game seem so real to you. So if you see others who aren't doing the same accomplishments as you, you freak out. Case in point, you get to make a single wish to can change anything in this universe, and you choose it to affect a game?

"You take the game too seriously" coming from someone who has no problem dropping real cash on game money? :laugh:

You can't buy skill, by the way. I see a lot of obvious ebayers running around in this game without a clue what they're doing and just have to laugh at them, and kill them if they're opposing faction. As do most others who don't cheat.

entitlement? wtf? it has nothing to do with not being able to survive, for some people it has to do with keeping up. it's enough of a grind getting to 60 in WoW (that's the only mmo i've put any time into), but then having huge repair bills while learning the end game instances plus keeping up with equipment...yeah. definately entitled. that's why i quit playing, i couldn't keep up and i don't see the point in spending lots of real money on a game i won't be playing forever.

and yes, i have seen ebayers as well, pvp seems to really show who bought their character and who did the lvl 60 grind. however, i simply can't agree that it's "cheating" especially when sony is cashing in on it in eq2. and if you think they did that for anything other than money you have your head in the dirt.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Malak
Bachman, if you don't even know it's going on, then how can you be upset? If you don't want to do it, that's fine. I may agree on some points, but the idea that it removes immersion just doesn't always apply. If I were truly immersed, my character should already have the phat lewt then. That's the problem casual gamers have. They could play a game for a year and have only a fraction of what other people have, simply because they don't put in as much time each day. We pay the same monthly fee, we should be entitled to the same rewards.

And in the end, you will never know about it Bachman. It is impossible to distinguish one character from another in an online game. There is no way of knowing if they bought their stuff with time or with money. And it affects your gameplay in no way.

The borked economy, the constant tells in Chinese (one of my mains is a 60 rogue, they just assume we're all Chinese), the constant spam via both /tell and mail for me to buy gold and the clueless noobs running around in their two tier1 BoEs and mostly all other BoE gear rather than BoP, wiping groups & raids, don't affect my gameplay? There aren't multitues of obvious ebayers?

(note: I have nothing against Chinese people and don't blame professional farmers for the emergence of a market for game money; I blame the demand, not the supply - the idiots buying it are at fault)

If you want instant gratification, pick up an FPS. I play some myself and they can be a ton of fun. Far Cry is one of my all-time favorite games. The GTA series is awesome as well. If you can't "stop and smell the roses", so to speak; enjoy the game wherever you are in it, you're missing the entire point of the genre and doing your own small part to ruin it for others. This type of game isn't for everyone, despite what the businesses making them would like you to think.

the economy is going to get "borked" anyway from the tools that can spend all day grinding gold and epic items. in all the time i played (from the end of beta to a month ago or so) i got maybe 2 tells and 10 mails about buying gold. honestly, if someone wants to pay 1200g for a tier 1 boe epic what do you care? if they honestly need it that bad (that was the going rate on bloodhoof) then who cares? especially if you don't care to blame the suppliers, which is ignorant as hell. if you don't blame then you can't get mad if someone is feeding them. they aren't hurting you by wearing it are they? if you still get into pickup groups maybe the game isn't for you. for blizzard this game is for anyone who cares to play, and if were them i'd be cashing in on this. it's not going away, no matter how annoying it is.

i guess i was cheating too when i was sending gold earned by my lvl 60 to my lvl 20 to get geared up so i could level faster huh?

 

[Malak]

The economy isn't effected at all. One person spends the time to get the gold, but gives it to someone else. The grind is done, the gold is had, and the gear is bought. Everything works as normal. It's not like the gold just comes from no where, someone did the farming for it. Anyone can farm for it, some people simply don't want to spend a month farming just to buy one thing, it's just not worth it. I don't spend $15 a month to play a mini-game. In EVE I mine whenever necessary, but I don't do it exclusively. I want to go do the rest of the game, and in order for me to get back into it after my long vacation, I needed a boost now. It hurts nobody, in fact it helps. That money would otherwise be hoarded away in an account that is used exclusively for farming gold. When you purchase that gold and buy something, you are feeding new money into the market. Now whoever you gave it to has money to purchase things. And so on and so forth. Soon you are in a place like EVE, where major corps actually hand out things to their new corp mates because they can afford to, and it benefits the entire corp when everyone has what they need. There are always bigger things to save for, much much bigger than the ships you hand out. I have never seen an economy break down in a game, ever, even with the massive gold farming going on in so many of them. And it is very cheap to buy IG currency.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: fisher
entitlement? wtf? it has nothing to do with not being able to survive, for some people it has to do with keeping up. it's enough of a grind getting to 60 in WoW (that's the only mmo i've put any time into), but then having huge repair bills while learning the end game instances plus keeping up with equipment...yeah. definately entitled. that's why i quit playing, i couldn't keep up and i don't see the point in spending lots of real money on a game i won't be playing forever.

and yes, i have seen ebayers as well, pvp seems to really show who bought their character and who did the lvl 60 grind. however, i simply can't agree that it's "cheating" especially when sony is cashing in on it in eq2. and if you think they did that for anything other than money you have your head in the dirt.

I have no trouble keeping up. I don't spend all day farming; very few people do aside from professional farmers. Personally as a rogue I kill a few mobs in BRD on my way to the vault to get burning essences for FR enchants for guildies, but no matter how you go about doing it, getting sufficient gold to afford repair bills and the occasional enchant is not difficult. You don't need an epic mount to play the game and the best gear is BoP. Regardless (and I'm repeating myself), you're missing the entire point of the game... But with as little immersion as WoW has I can't say I blame you.

Where the hell did I mention or defend Sony/SOE and their SOE Exchange program? Mind quoting me? You could search the entire world and not find one person who hates them even half as much as I do - many posters here know this well. If a meteor were to fall on Sony HQ I'd go out and celebrate. I watched them, in tandem with the plat-selling companies, wipe their collective ass with a once-great game, flush the whole mess they turned EQ into down the toilet and start on part 2. They can all blow me.

Originally posted by: fisher
the economy is going to get "borked" anyway from the tools that can spend all day grinding gold and epic items. in all the time i played (from the end of beta to a month ago or so) i got maybe 2 tells and 10 mails about buying gold. honestly, if someone wants to pay 1200g for a tier 1 boe epic what do you care? if they honestly need it that bad (that was the going rate on bloodhoof) then who cares? especially if you don't care to blame the suppliers, which is ignorant as hell. if you don't blame then you can't get mad if someone is feeding them. they aren't hurting you by wearing it are they? if you still get into pickup groups maybe the game isn't for you. for blizzard this game is for anyone who cares to play, and if were them i'd be cashing in on this. it's not going away, no matter how annoying it is.

i guess i was cheating too when i was sending gold earned by my lvl 60 to my lvl 20 to get geared up so i could level faster huh?

The suppliers aren't the root of the problem; the demand is. Typically, professional MMOG farmers are living in poverty and just trying to put food on the table; if you can blame them, you're more heartless than I. They're just trying to fill a demand.

The difference is that these people are playing it as a job; they're killing mobs 24/7 and introducing a lot of new money and items into the economy. Very few legitimate players even approach that level of grinding/farming, and if they do it's just for a week or two until they can afford what they want (usually an epic mount) or get sick of it.

As for pickup groups, what can I say, I enjoy meeting new people. Social interaction is one of the leading draws of the genre. Both of my mains are in end-game guilds; it's certainly not for the gear. And on alts I'd rather find a legitimate group than beg guildies to run me through instances.

Blizzard is definitely cashing in. This game has a ton of goldsinks, the Dire Maul exploit has been unfixed for almost six months now... if they're not getting a cut from the gold selling corporations, my name's Elmer Fudd. However I'm able to get by, easily, on two level 60 mains, without spending a lot of time farming gold and certainly without stooping low enough to buy it. It's sad that so many people are too stupid to manage.

Malak - see above re: economy. Way to rationalize your scummy behavior btw, you could be a political spin doctor with skills like that.

Originally posted by: loki8481
RB, what server are you playing on? I've never experienced anything that bad in WoW... I mean, the occasional /tell spam once every couple months, but that's about it.

Icecrown and Muradin. I generally get the tells on my alts, and see it in /say a lot. Mail is less frequent but still happens. Just yesterday I got a tell on my shaman as I was logging to an alt, then got tellbombed about it on said alt twice in a row by a different character.


If you honestly see no problem with it, you haven't played MMOGs for very long and haven't experienced what they were like before the unwashed masses discovered them and brought their own special brand of stench to the genre. It's really too bad, but I may as well try describing color to blind men - it's pointless to continue. Hopefully (and logic backs this up) Vanguard will attract a crowd who, for the most part, won't be interested in buying game money. It'll happen I'm sure, as it always has, but my hope is the scale will be small enough for its effect on the gameworld and economy to be minimal. Because there's really no way of stopping it if the demand is in place.

 

[Feneant2]

To answer the original poster (and not the ton of flamers after).

I returned to Everquest 1 some years ago and while I was level 1, everyone in the guild was around 60 so as I did not have the playtime that people with no lives (more than likely the flamers here) to play more than a few hours a week compared to 4-5 a day, I bought some in game currency and by my calculation cut the time required to group with my friend by half.

I don't see the big issue, if people are willing to pay for it, there is no problem. If companies were really against it, they would sue IGE into the ground and ban farmers once they were discovered, both of which is not happening.

 

[kevinthenerd]

I used to buy and sell in Diablo II. When I spent $30 on some equipment, it was time to admit that I had an addiction problem. I've stayed away from all types of games ever since. They really ruined my life. I'd be 10x more successful now if I didn't get so caught up in that sh¡t.

If you want to throw your life away, go ahead. I hope you're willing to have your character stats on your tombstone as your life's greatest accomplishment.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Feneant2
To answer the original poster (and not the ton of flamers after).

I returned to Everquest 1 some years ago and while I was level 1, everyone in the guild was around 60 so as I did not have the playtime that people with no lives (more than likely the flamers here) to play more than a few hours a week compared to 4-5 a day, I bought some in game currency and by my calculation cut the time required to group with my friend by half.

I don't see the big issue, if people are willing to pay for it, there is no problem. If companies were really against it, they would sue IGE into the ground and ban farmers once they were discovered, both of which is not happening.

That's some great guild you got there :laugh:

Way to not read most of the thread and make points I've already rebuked though, it really isn't surprising that someone lame and lazy enough to buy MMORPG money is also lame and lazy enough to make a flaming response to a thread he hasn't even read.

 

[erikistired]

I have no trouble keeping up. I don't spend all day farming; very few people do aside from professional farmers. Personally as a rogue I kill a few mobs in BRD on my way to the vault to get burning essences for FR enchants for guildies, but no matter how you go about doing it, getting sufficient gold to afford repair bills and the occasional enchant is not difficult. You don't need an epic mount to play the game and the best gear is BoP. Regardless (and I'm repeating myself), you're missing the entire point of the game... But with as little immersion as WoW has I can't say I blame you.

i don't know what to tell you about that then, because when you're dropping 10-15g a night learning bwl your supply goes quick. i guess when you hit the big leagues maybe you'd understand. but again, i quit rather than spend a bunch more money keeping up with my guild, it just wasn't worth it. as for immersion, i got plently playing 5-6 hours a night 6 nights a week (and probably more than that). i didn't have an epic mount, and all of my gear by that point was BoP.

here's my point. if a guy spends 10 bucks to buy 100 gold or whatever it is, it's not going to ruin the game. now if you're spending a thou a month then yeah, i can start to see your point. but i can't imagine most people are doing that. and honestly, if someone has that kind of money to spend and that's what they want to get out of the game that's their decision to make, not yours. you can still enjoy your immersion and they can enjoy being able to play when they can. especially since you are both paying the same amount month to month.

The suppliers aren't the root of the problem; the demand is. Typically, professional MMOG farmers are living in poverty and just trying to put food on the table; if you can blame them, you're more heartless than I. They're just trying to fill a demand.

i can blame them completely. go get a job at mcdonalds. farming gold is not the only job out there, and from what i've seen the work conditions suck.

If you honestly see no problem with it, you haven't played MMOGs for very long and haven't experienced what they were like before the unwashed masses discovered them and brought their own special brand of stench to the genre. It's really too bad, but I may as well try describing color to blind men - it's pointless to continue. Hopefully (and logic backs this up) Vanguard will attract a crowd who, for the most part, won't be interested in buying game money. It'll happen I'm sure, as it always has, but my hope is the scale will be small enough for its effect on the gameworld and economy to be minimal. Because there's really no way of stopping it if the demand is in place.

i don't really see that big a deal with it because it's being allowed to go on. if blizzard really wanted to stop it they could. you can't keep buying new accounts if they keep getting banned, eventually you'll lose your profits. and everyone knows who the gold farmers are, and even the gold farming guild. to say i haven't played MMOs for very long is ignorant, you have no idea. i don't like gold farmers, but i'm not going to blame people who buy gold and i'm not going to call them cheaters. they aren't cheating, they are taking a shortcut. if they were taking advantage of an exploit they'd be cheating. that kind of stuff gets fixed. as for vanguard, it will have gold farmers and people buying gold as well, just like every other MMO ever. it's called life.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Feneant2
To answer the original poster (and not the ton of flamers after).

I returned to Everquest 1 some years ago and while I was level 1, everyone in the guild was around 60 so as I did not have the playtime that people with no lives (more than likely the flamers here) to play more than a few hours a week compared to 4-5 a day, I bought some in game currency and by my calculation cut the time required to group with my friend by half.

I don't see the big issue, if people are willing to pay for it, there is no problem. If companies were really against it, they would sue IGE into the ground and ban farmers once they were discovered, both of which is not happening.

That's some great guild you got there :laugh:

Way to not read most of the thread and make points I've already rebuked though, it really isn't surprising that someone lame and lazy enough to buy MMORPG money is also lame and lazy enough to make a flaming response to a thread he hasn't even read.

he probably did and realized you haven't really rebuked anything, you're just spewing your same tired opinion over and over.

 

[bcterps]

My experience is limited to WoW, but I don't feel that buying gold is a big deal. Gold isn't going to get you very far in the game, it'll get you an epic mount, or maybe a nice BoE item, but all the best items are BoP, so if someone wants to save themselves time by buying gold instead of farming, it makes little difference to me. I also don't mind the farmers in the game, they just drive down the price of everything, which is a good thing for the consumer

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: makoto00

Originally posted by: RBachman
If I found a magic lamp and a genie popped out & granted me only one wish... I wouldn't wish for the demise of GWB, I wouldn't wish for Jessica Alba naked in bed, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars. No, I'd wish for everyone who's ever bought MMOG money to be unable to play MMOGs again, and for anyone who does it to instantly suffer this fate (I was initially thinking death, but hey, someone needs to serve me food at Wendy's, fill my gas tank on those cold winter days, etc... better to keep them around I guess). Perhaps the genre could once again be fun without these morons and the industry which has cropped up to feed them.

Somehow I doubt anyone buying fake online currency will be working at menial jobs.

Who else would have the low mental capacity required?

I dunno.. Enron execs?

take your pick of any rich moron with lots of time on his hands but doesnt want to do his own work.. the same people that buy max level toons for 1000s of real life dollars so they can just play without the grind..

 

[CKent]

Addressing your points in order:

We're learning BWL currently, I'm still having no financial problems.

That isn't what I mean by immersion at all. Like explaining color to the blind... I won't even bother.

Your arrogance is astounding, and this is coming from someone who's been called arrogant more times than I can count (which is a pretty high number, since I'm so awesome ). Do you have any idea of what the job market and standard of living is like in much of China?

Correct; one guy buying gold doesn't make much of a difference. If 100,000 people do the same thing, however, things change. As I've said, it's always gone on. The scale it has reached is why it's become a problem. As I've said (do you even bother reading?), it will happen in Vanguard; just not on as large a scale, thus it will affect the game far less.

I'll quote a couple points:

i don't like gold farmers

Yet you defend the people keeping them in business. Hypocrisy

if they were taking advantage of an exploit they'd be cheating. that kind of stuff gets fixed.

Again, as I've already said (I'm going to have to dumb down my posts for you to understand them at your reading level, this is rather sad...), the DM exploit has gone unfixed for a half a year now. It allows professional farmers playing hunters to solo King Gordok; this is why there are so many warlords aces & decks, so many DM books, forors compendiums and major healing/mana potions on the AH at such low prices.

you're just spewing your same tired opinion over and over.

Look in the mirror, my friend

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: benchiu
My experience is limited to WoW, but I don't feel that buying gold is a big deal.

I'll let this post speak for itself

 

[ggnl]

I bought some gold just a few days ago. A friend and I started over on another server in WoW to join some other RL friends who have an established guild there. Rather than do the low level money grind for the third time (we have lvl 60's on 2 servers) we bought a couple hundred gold for under $10 and split it between the 2 of us.

You can consider it cheating if you want, but I consider it a very small investment for something that is going to immensely increase my enjoyment in levelling the new character. I play the game for fun, not some sense of accomplishment from spending countless hours grinding for cash. God knows there are enough time sinks in this game without having to worry about financing your character (some of which I actually like to do, like battlegrounds and the pvp rank grind).

I have hundreds of gold on my characters on other servers. I've done the grind for mount and epic mount...twice. It was exciting and gratifying the first time, but now it's just a chore.

 

[erikistired]

We're learning BWL currently, I'm still having no financial problems.

i don't know what to tell you then, maybe you don't have all tier 1/tier 2 epics and massive repair bills. i did, and i can certainly understand how one could get behind rather quickly. personally i think you're just lying about the amount of time you play or what you are really doing but that's just me.

That isn't what I mean by immersion at all. Like explaining color to the blind... I won't even bother.

no, i think you don't realize that not everyone wants to dedicate their lives to WoW or whatever MMO they play. some people have lives and families and jobs. i'm guessing either you don't or you're just trolling.

Your arrogance is astounding, and this is coming from someone who's been called arrogant more times than I can count (which is a pretty high number, since I'm so awesome ).

funny i was thinking the same thing about you.

Do you have any idea of what the job market and standard of living is like in much of China?

no clue, nor do i care.

As I've said (do you even bother reading?), it will happen in Vanguard; just not on as large a scale, thus it will affect the game far less.

if you really believe that you're not only arrogant, you're also ignorant. if vanguard is as big as all the fanboys say then it will be the same thing over again. there will be people who want to play the game who don't want to play 24/7 with all the losers who have nothing better to do than play all day (aka college students).

Yet you defend the people keeping them in business. Hypocrisy

and i will continue to defend them. the service is there, blizzard isn't stopping them, why shouldn't they partake? as was said about 20 times already, they aren't doing anything about it. from time to time they ban a few accounts. they are taking in huge amounts of cash, if they wanted to put the gold farmers down they certainly could. none of this means i have to like farmers. i dislike them because they take over areas completely while farming and keep people who are questing or grinding out. i dislike them because they sent me spam in my mail from time to time or the random tell. *shrug* i don't see what is so hard to understand about that. it's kinda like the war on drugs. if the government really wanted to stop people from doing drugs they'd go after the manufacturers, not the people who use them. cut off the supply and there's no users.

Again, as I've already said (I'm going to have to dumb down my posts for you to understand them at your reading level, this is rather sad...), the DM exploit has gone unfixed for a half a year now. It allows professional farmers playing hunters to solo King Gordok; this is why there are so many warlords aces & decks, so many DM books, forors compendiums and major healing/mana potions on the AH at such low prices.

i was under the impression that bug was fixed last patch. perhaps it was another DM bug? i just assumed you didn't know what you were talking about (which is easy to do) and skipped it.

i don't know about your server but when i left there were no major healing/mana potions in our AH for low prices. i don't consider 10-12g a stack for major mana potions cheap, but that's just me.

Look in the mirror, my friend

that would make sense if i was the one who everyone seemed to disagree with...

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: fisher
i don't know what to tell you then, maybe you don't have all tier 1/tier 2 epics and massive repair bills. i did, and i can certainly understand how one could get behind rather quickly. personally i think you're just lying about the amount of time you play or what you are really doing but that's just me.

I'm in 7/8 Nightslayer, my repair bills are up there. I'm not wealthy in-game by any means, but I can pay repair bills, restock potions, poisons & reagents and get the occasional enchant, often with un-asked-for help from my guild.

Since the rest of your post is just inflamatory gibberish I'll ignore it. It's depressing more than angering, but at least you're no longer playing MMORPGs, if your claim is true. This is good; the genre needs fewer people such as yourself.

Vanguard won't be commercially huge by any means; WoW will remain the dominant MMORPG and that's fine. It will be huge in that it will be a fantastic game for its target audience and, at the risk of sounding arrogant again, it'll be nice to get away from the unwashed, uneducated, gold-buying masses

Oh, and here.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: fisher
i don't know what to tell you then, maybe you don't have all tier 1/tier 2 epics and massive repair bills. i did, and i can certainly understand how one could get behind rather quickly. personally i think you're just lying about the amount of time you play or what you are really doing but that's just me.

I'm in 7/8 Nightslayer, my repair bills are up there. I'm not wealthy in-game by any means, but I can pay repair bills, restock potions, poisons & reagents and get the occasional enchant, often with un-asked-for help from my guild.

Since the rest of your post is just inflamatory gibberish I'll ignore it. It's depressing more than angering, but at least you're no longer playing MMORPGs, if your claim is true. This is good; the genre needs fewer people such as yourself.

Vanguard won't be commercially huge by any means; WoW will remain the dominant MMORPG and that's fine. It will be huge in that it will be a fantastic game for its target audience and, at the risk of sounding arrogant again, it'll be nice to get away from the unwashed, uneducated, gold-buying masses

Oh, and here.

keep thinking that. there will be just as many people buying gold in vanguard as there are in wow. maybe i'll buy some myself just to get them started! i haven't quit MMOs, i just got done with the auto assault beta. not really my thing. i still play GW (omgz it's not an MMO n00b...yeah whatever) and i'll probably try out D&D online and vanguard when it drops. i'm sorry that your life is consumed with online gaming and you have nothing outside of it, hopefully when you graduate things will change for you.

 

[erikistired]

oops double post.

 

[nageov3t]

Again, as I've already said (I'm going to have to dumb down my posts for you to understand them at your reading level, this is rather sad...), the DM exploit has gone unfixed for a half a year now. It allows professional farmers playing hunters to solo King Gordok; this is why there are so many warlords aces & decks, so many DM books, forors compendiums and major healing/mana potions on the AH at such low prices.

I guess I have to follow-up and ask... so what?

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Again, as I've already said (I'm going to have to dumb down my posts for you to understand them at your reading level, this is rather sad...), the DM exploit has gone unfixed for a half a year now. It allows professional farmers playing hunters to solo King Gordok; this is why there are so many warlords aces & decks, so many DM books, forors compendiums and major healing/mana potions on the AH at such low prices.

I guess I have to follow-up and ask... so what?

it was fixed and apparently players have once again figured out how to exploit it using a different method. basically he has no retort for the fact blizzard allows the gold farming to go on and so he rants about this instead.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: fisher
it was fixed and apparently players have once again figured out how to exploit it using a different method. basically he has no retort for the fact blizzard allows the gold farming to go on and so he rants about this instead.

It was never fixed. As I've said, I know they allow it to go on; the gold selling firms likely give them a cut, and people stupid enough to spend extra money trying to buy the skill they lack are less likely to cancel their subscription and throw away their investment.

When you get to high school in a few years, if you pay extra attention in English classes (the remedial teachers are good at explaining things nice and slow, I'd assume), perhaps you'll learn better reading comprehension and stop making such a fool of yourself on internet forums.