buying an AR

[nick1985]

Wow...

A LOT of horrible info here. Guy says he wants to spend 2k on an AR...and you guys are saying Bushmaster? rofl. Rarely do I take the ultra know-it-all stance, but I have to say...OP ignore about 95% of what you have read in this thread!


OP for that budget look into Noveske, LMT, LWRC, etc.

Here:

Noveske:

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bi...fsr-556&cat=138&page=1&search=&since=&status=

LMT:

http://www.lmtstore.com/complete-we...guns/compliant-cqb-mrp-defender-model-16.html

LWRC:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_904/products_id/411540552



Personally if you have that kind of coin to spend...I'd get the Noveske.

Bushmaster...lol you guys crack me up. I have 25k to spend on a car, going to recommend a Ford Fiesta?

 

[spidey07]

Nick, that was the LMT I was looking at. But it wasn't the bastardized version.

 

[nick1985]

Nick, that was the LMT I was looking at. But it wasn't the bastardized version.

LOL. I searched for about 10 seconds on their site and picked one that looked halfway decent in his price range.

The point is, a Bushmaster is not a Noveske, or an LMT, etc.

:awe:

 

[Texashiker]

This is going to be my next AR

http://www.dsarms.com/AR-1R-Flattop-Carbine-Rifle-556-Nato---DSZM4CV1R/productinfo/DSZM4CV1RCL/

Tigerstripe camo and top it off an an eotech.

Or maybe this one

http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_Carbine_MOE_Rifle_p/rfth16-moeod.htm

 

[brblx]

for 2k, shouldn't you be able to get something with a gas piston upper? HK416's aren't cheap, but there are cheaper aftermarket upper kits now.

any reason to stick with the the gas impingement system?

 

[Bryophyte]

Have one custom built. You can specify exactly what you want that way.

 

[olds]

for 2k, shouldn't you be able to get something with a gas piston upper? HK416's aren't cheap, but there are cheaper aftermarket upper kits now.

any reason to stick with the the gas impingement system?

Why do you consider a piston an improvement over impingement?

 

[nick1985]

Why do you consider a piston an improvement over impingement?

Because it costs more.




I think Eugene Stoner had it right when he made a gas impingement rifle.

 

[deadlyapp]

I was going to possibly suggest a piston AR as it's the only thing that will pretty much get him to that price range unless you get an ultra tricked out one from someone like Rock River.

Personally I feel the AR should remain a gas impingement, and i'll have to second the Noveske, LMT, BCM, LWRC.

 

[Nintendesert]

There are seriously people arguing in favor of direct impingement?

 

[Pia]

Is there going to be more money for optics?
A $1200 rifle with $800 worth of optics >>> $2k rifle with iron sights for pretty much any practical purpose.
That said, the LMT, Noveske etc look good if all the $2k has to go into the rifle.

 

[Nebor]

any reason to stick with the the gas impingement system?

You really like cleaning guns?

 

[kage69]

There are seriously people arguing in favor of direct impingement?

DI is still the way to go if you're talking really, really cold environments or if a suppressor will be used (providing the gun is 'sprung' right)

But yeah, better reliability, running cooler and cleaner, and no danger of water causing a ruptured tube rate far higher on my list of priorities.

The weight difference is negligible, and the claims of poor accuracy on piston systems is something I have yet to see corroborated. That Ruger is a nail driver out of the box (with pretty much any ammo!), despite people bitching about it's twist rate and use of a piston. Those 416s are sweet too.

Like always though, to each his own.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

OP why are you getting $2k for an AR? Is it work related? Family giving you a gift? Something else?

 

[pontifex]

OP why are you getting $2k for an AR? Is it work related? Family giving you a gift? Something else?

i'm curious about this too.

$2k is a lot of money to be getting for free. Also the use of the rifle would help make a better decision. If this is for LE or military, then you want the best you can get, definitely not DPMS or low end brands like that.

 

[0roo0roo]

how the mighty fall, skull candy quality.

 

[Zargon]

I would go custom built rock river, and some optics, like a nice holo

I shot a friends duty rifle AR from RR, it was just under 2K with optics, and I was shooting 4" groups at 100 yards with a holosight having never touched that weapon before and having little experience with shooting rifles

 

[amddude]

There are only a handful of companies that make truly excellent quality rifles. Colt is one of them. LMT is solid too. RRA, DMPS, Bushmaster, are not.

For the money, bravo company machine is the ticket.

 

[amddude]

DI is still the way to go if you're talking really, really cold environments or if a suppressor will be used (providing the gun is 'sprung' right)

But yeah, better reliability, running cooler and cleaner, and no danger of water causing a ruptured tube rate far higher on my list of priorities.

The weight difference is negligible, and the claims of poor accuracy on piston systems is something I have yet to see corroborated. That Ruger is a nail driver out of the box (with pretty much any ammo!), despite people bitching about it's twist rate and use of a piston. Those 416s are sweet too.

Like always though, to each his own.

DI is not the way to go for a suppressor. Where did you read that? If you want to turn your gun into a piece of charcoal, go for it.

 

[Texashiker]

DI is still the way to go if you're talking really, really cold environments

I guess that is why the AK-47 and its piston system does not work well in really, really cold environments?



The reliability of piston systems has been proven time and time again over the past 50+ years. Whether its the AK-47 or the FN/FAL, piston systems are reliable, regardless of where they are used.

 

[kage69]

DI is not the way to go for a suppressor. Where did you read that? If you want to turn your gun into a piece of charcoal, go for it.

I didn't say it was clean As I understand it the suppressor causes a lot of fouling to blow back into the breach, kinda negating the cleanly nature of the piston design. Suppressors have been used on DI weapons for decades, it gets the job done but isn't ideal.

The M110 from Knights is a current design that cut it's teeth in Afghanistan, and it's a DI design. Just sayin...

 

[kage69]

I guess that is why the AK-47 and its piston system does not work well in really, really cold environments?



The reliability of piston systems has been proven time and time again over the past 50+ years. Whether its the AK-47 or the FN/FAL, piston systems are reliable, regardless of where they are used.

Still having a hard time with that comprehension I see...

When your eyes stop rolling maybe you can take the time to note I'm talking about piston based ARs, and have offered no opinions on the AK platform. Piston systems from different designs, produced by different companies, will obviously not be carbon copies of each other and will be fabricated to varying tolerances. This will affect the performance to a degree. Do you consider all V8 equipped trucks, regardless of manufacturer, to perform identically?
The Canadians and Norwegians have both been having issues with Colt C8s and the new HK416s in sub zero temps, both piston based designs. But what do they know, operational experience pales in comparison to the convictions of a hiking Texan who feels the need to misconstrue the posts of strangers online. I think your rather ideological view of "environment doesn't matter" is absurd. There's a reason the training at Ft. Wainwright is different than at Ft Bragg.

Just because you seemed to have missed my sentiments in your rush to start a pissing match though, I am quite pro-piston and my next AR will have one.

 

[nick1985]

^

lol

 

[amddude]

I didn't say it was clean As I understand it the suppressor causes a lot of fouling to blow back into the breach, kinda negating the cleanly nature of the piston design. Suppressors have been used on DI weapons for decades, it gets the job done but isn't ideal.

That's incorrect. Ask the question in one of the suppressor forums on ar15.com and watch what happens.

People can argue about whether piston or di is better in general on the AR platform. However it's a fact that running a piston system is going to cleaner, even with a suppressor. I saw a 416 used after a carbine course with a suppressor that was crazy dirty, but it would be much worse with di.

 

[amddude]

Still having a hard time with that comprehension I see...

When your eyes stop rolling maybe you can take the time to note I'm talking about piston based ARs, and have offered no opinions on the AK platform. Piston systems from different designs, produced by different companies, will obviously not be carbon copies of each other and will be fabricated to varying tolerances. This will affect the performance to a degree. Do you consider all V8 equipped trucks, regardless of manufacturer, to perform identically?
The Canadians and Norwegians have both been having issues with Colt C8s and the new HK416s in sub zero temps, both piston based designs. But what do they know, operational experience pales in comparison to the convictions of a hiking Texan who feels the need to misconstrue the posts of strangers online. I think your rather ideological view of "environment doesn't matter" is absurd. There's a reason the training at Ft. Wainwright is different than at Ft Bragg.

Just because you seemed to have missed my sentiments in your rush to start a pissing match though, I am quite pro-piston and my next AR will have one.

Norway's 416 have something special about them that isn't on the standard model. I also read on the firearm blog when the story first came out that it was only a single rifle in one company.

There's just too much piston hate out there in the black rifle community. It overrides reason. lol