Buying a 32" HDTV with a food stamps card...

[Atomic Playboy]

The befits are small too only a few hundred a month, they can spend it how they want.

Only a few hundred a month? I could use that. I've got a pretty big selection of Blu-rays in my Amazon "saved for later" basket, I really think the taxpayers of this country should buy them for me.

 

[DCal430]

There is every reason.

In one case someone cannot work, in the other they can.

You are wrong, TANF is also used for income for the children of the disabled. A parent who is disabled and cannot work with also get TANF for their child.

 

[CitizenKain]

I sell electronics for a store (perfect for my experience and knowledge while being in school). Last night a woman with 2 kids paid for a 32" HDTV with a food stamps card that does cash and food stamps from the state. She had me check the balances of the card and saw that there was $600 on the food stamps portion and $270 on the cash portion. This woman had *3* car keys (w/ fobs) on her key-ring to different cars and CLEARLY didn't her food stamps card. My wife and I share 1!

I hate knowing that my taxes go towards shit like this. Fuck her.

This needs the
FWD : FWD : FWD : FWD : Fwd : I CANT BELIVE THIS HAPPEN IN AMERICA
part.

If we are going to add this to shit_that_didnt_happen.txt can we get the email headers? I want to make sure to preserve made up rightwing bullshit in its original form.

 

[WelshBloke]

Leaving aside if we think it's fair or moral.

What do we think would happen to the crime figures if you have a large pool of people who have no cash income at all?

What do we think would happen to the economy if all the money passing through these peoples hands suddenly disappeared?

 

[JEDIYoda]

I sell electronics for a store (perfect for my experience and knowledge while being in school). Last night a woman with 2 kids paid for a 32" HDTV with a food stamps card that does cash and food stamps from the state. She had me check the balances of the card and saw that there was $600 on the food stamps portion and $270 on the cash portion. This woman had *3* car keys (w/ fobs) on her key-ring to different cars and CLEARLY didn't her food stamps card. My wife and I share 1!

I hate knowing that my taxes go towards shit like this. Fuck her.

wowza--ignorance abounds in this thread.......

 

[LTC8K6]

As long as they are given some cash, they can do whatever they want with it, including supporting their habits, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. No one is tracking what they buy.

There's no reason a $250 TV would even generate a second look if purchased with an EBT card. It's not on any prohibited item list that I can find.

They can even easily change the SNAP part of their benefits into cash, and they do. They can turn their whole benefit amount into cash.

This has never been a secret.

You take your EBT card and you buy food for a third party. That third party gives you cash for the food.

You can go in and buy steaks, and then sell the steaks for 50 or 75 cents on the dollar.

And that is far from the only way to turn the SNAP benefits into cash.

It's a cottage industry and has been forever. It was going on when they had actual food stamps.

It's no secret that a good chunk of welfare does not go for supporting families.

 

[michal1980]

You are wrong, TANF is also used for income for the children of the disabled. A parent who is disabled and cannot work with also get TANF for their child.

LOL

Do you even read?

"[A parent who is disabled and cannot work also get TANF for their child"


SSI
-
The Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program pays benefits to disabled adults and children who have limited income and resources.



So like I said.

Theres a difference between people getting money for not being able to work, and spending it how they like. And those that can work but are either unemployed, or lazy living off welfare. I have no problems with those unable to work spending the money on whatever they want.

 

[DCal430]

LOL

Do you even read?

"[A parent who is disabled and cannot work also get TANF for their child"


SSI
-
The Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program pays benefits to disabled adults and children who have limited income and resources.



So like I said.

Theres a difference between people getting money for not being able to work, and spending it how they like. And those that can work but are either unemployed, or lazy living off welfare. I have no problems with those unable to work spending the money on whatever they want.

You are the one who needs to read TANF is for the child. SSI is for the person who is disabled.

 

[SheHateMe]

Funny story, I went to a 7-11 in DC before on the ghetto and poor side of town. I bought some hot food and a diet coke up to the counter and handed the lady my Visa card. She hands it back and says I can't buy the food. I say "Why can't I buy it?". She goes "because you can't get hot food with EBT".

I'm thinking... "what the fuck is she talking about?!"

"This is a VISA from my University's credit Union...."

*Looks at the card* "Oh...I am so sorry, I thought it was an EBT card.."


My mind was blown.

 

[chucky2]

Funny story, I went to a 7-11 in DC before on the ghetto and poor side of town. I bought some hot food and a diet coke up to the counter and handed the lady my Visa card. She hands it back and says I can't buy the food. I say "Why can't I buy it?". She goes "because you can't get hot food with EBT".

I'm thinking... "what the fuck is she talking about?!"

"This is a VISA from my University's credit Union...."

*Looks at the card* "Oh...I am so sorry, I thought it was an EBT card.."


My mind was blown.

And that really tells you all you need to know about how F'd these systems have been designed to be. That lady was so conditioned to people paying for everything with their EBT card she automatically assumed that's what you were using. Now think about it. What in a 7-11 should the public really be paying for? Bottled water, perhaps some diapers. Maybe feminine products. And that's about it. How much do you want to bet, that 99% of what is bought with EBT in that 7-11 is not those items?

Yeah....that's how F'd the system is.

 

[xj0hnx]

TANF was to be used for what ever the family felt it needed for living cost. The befits are small too only a few hundred a month, they can spend it how they want.

Wrong. This is taxpayers money given to needy families for assistance, not for luxury items like TVs, strip clubs, and drugs. If you want you are free to give them money to spend on whatever they want, but if they are going to come to the taxpayers and ask for help eating, and paying bills, then they need to be eating and paying bills with the money they are given.

 

[nehalem256]

And that really tells you all you need to know about how F'd these systems have been designed to be. That lady was so conditioned to people paying for everything with their EBT card she automatically assumed that's what you were using. Now think about it. What in a 7-11 should the public really be paying for? Bottled water, perhaps some diapers. Maybe feminine products. And that's about it. How much do you want to bet, that 99% of what is bought with EBT in that 7-11 is not those items?

Yeah....that's how F'd the system is.

Actually optimally you should be buying none of those products at 7-11 with an EBT card.

Sorry, if you have an EBT card drink the same cheap tap water as me.

And diapers and feminine products are likely overpriced at 7-11.

 

[michal1980]

You are the one who needs to read TANF is for the child. SSI is for the person who is disabled.

I quoted your post.

Your post said a person who is disabled, can get TANF for their kid.


good lord man. read what YOU write.

-So I on my own read up on TANF. What a terrible program.

 

[DCal430]

I quoted your post.

Your post said a person who is disabled, can get TANF for their kid.


good lord man. read what YOU write.

MY GOD YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ.

THEIR CHILD GETS TANF, AGAIN THE CHILD GETS TANF. They get SSI, but the F-ing child gets TANF. SSI is for DISABLED AND ELDERLY ONLY, IT GOES TO THE DISABLED AND THE ELDERLY. A child who isn't disabled doesn't get SSI, they get TANF.

My god you must be stupid.

 

[nehalem256]

MY GOD YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ.

THEIR CHILD GETS TANF, AGAIN THE CHILD GETS TANF. They get SSI, but the F-ing child gets TANF. SSI is for DISABLED AND ELDERLY ONLY, IT GOES TO THE DISABLED AND THE ELDERLY. A child who isn't disabled doesn't get SSI, they get TANF.

My god you must be stupid.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10026.html#a0=0

SSI makes monthly payments to people with low income and limited resources who are 65 or older, or blind or disabled. Your child younger than age 18 can qualify if he or she meets Social Security’s definition of disability for children, and if his or her income and resources fall within the eligibility limits. The amount of the SSI payment is different from one state to another because some states add to the SSI payment. Your local Social Security office can tell you more about your state’s total SSI payment.

It seems that you are wrong.

 

[DCal430]

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10026.html#a0=0



It seems that you are wrong.

A child who isn't disabled doesn't meet the Social Security’s definition of "disability for children".

Disability for children means a child who is disabled. By definition a child who is NOT disabled doesn't meet that definition.

 

[chucky2]

Actually optimally you should be buying none of those products at 7-11 with an EBT card.

Sorry, if you have an EBT card drink the same cheap tap water as me.

And diapers and feminine products are likely overpriced at 7-11.

Yes, I agree. But even to get the current system to the level of what I suggested would likely spark riots of outrage at the "oppression", so I just auto-comp'd it to that level.

I'm not totally heartless though. If someone that's on the public dole needs a couple bottles of water and/or some feminine products, so be it. I'd simply have the system track usage and not authorize large purchases. Should somewhat limit them buying 50 bottles of water and then selling them on the street for cheap.

Chuck

 

[schneiderguy]

It isn't a "food stamp card" it is an EBT card, EBT include cash assistance or welfare money. This is faux outrage as these people must be allowed to spend their money as they wish.

 

[drebo]

It isn't a "food stamp card" it is an EBT card, EBT include cash assistance or welfare money. This is faux outrage as these people must be allowed to spend their money as they wish.

Spend their money?

Don't you mean "my" money?

 

[drebo]

Actually optimally you should be buying none of those products at 7-11 with an EBT card.

Sorry, if you have an EBT card drink the same cheap tap water as me.

And diapers and feminine products are likely overpriced at 7-11.

Welfare should be in-kind.

By that, I mean that the government should not be providing any form of liquid asset to the people receiving welfare. They should be given certain items which are required for balanced eating and sanitary living and then they should be given rent vouchers. The government should be reimbursing the stores, not giving money to the recipients.

Look at the WIC program in California. That's how it SHOULD be done.

 

[nanette1985]

Welfare should be in-kind.

By that, I mean that the government should not be providing any form of liquid asset to the people receiving welfare. They should be given certain items which are required for balanced eating and sanitary living and then they should be given rent vouchers. The government should be reimbursing the stores, not giving money to the recipients.

Look at the WIC program in California. That's how it SHOULD be done.

WIC is paid for by formula companies. It doesn't support breast-feeding. That's a public health disaster.

 

[drebo]

WIC is paid for by formula companies. It doesn't support breast-feeding. That's a public health disaster.

That's besides the point.

It's the way the program is run that's important. What's provided under the program is irrelevant, at this point.

 

[nehalem256]

WIC is paid for by formula companies. It doesn't support breast-feeding. That's a public health disaster.

The whole WIC program is essentially by definition abuse. Hey lets support women who cannot afford to feed themselves have more children

 

[drebo]

The whole WIC program is essentially by definition abuse. Hey lets support women who cannot afford to feed themselves have more children

Once again, that's irrelevant.

It's the way the program is run that's important, not the benefits it provides.

I've always been a proponent of a contract for welfare recipients that they do not have any more children (or abortions that are paid for by the tax payers.) In fact, I'd be in favor of an IUD being installed in every female welfare recipient.

 

[WackyDan]

The whole WIC program is essentially by definition abuse. Hey lets support women who cannot afford to feed themselves have more children

I thought it was to ensure the babies and infants get proper nutrition that otherwise would not have been provided for them?

I get in part your point... By supplying them with this source of nutrition for their children you are reducing the consequences for having child you can't afford in the first place.