Buy 9800 or wait for NV35?

[nRollo]

"You can play the waiting game forever and never make a decision"
True, but that's not the case here. Anand himself has seen an nV35 in action, if it truly does come out in June, I'd feel like a SCHMUCK buying 9800 in May. You always want the latest if you're spending $400 on a VGA, and you don't want it to be last gen in 4 weeks.

 

[CedarTeeth135]

The thing that pisses me off, is that a post like this gets more replys than any thing I post with an inteligent question.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135
The thing that pisses me off, is that a post like this gets more replys than any thing I post with an inteligent question.

disquise your inteligent question so that it would stimulate a nvidia/ati flame war

 

[BenSkywalker]

The NV35 should be announced within the next month(by May 16th based on available information).

Do you guys think the NV35 will make a significant leap in performance over the 9800?

Based on what is known about it, yes. The NV30 is likely to look a lot better on the performance front when the Det50s hit, and the NV35 should be a sizeable amount faster then that(in the 50% area if what we have seen is to be believed). This is if nV pulls off what it appears they are shooting for. With IBM fabbing the chips it is possible that the this could be a repeat of the GeForce2 launch, coming from nowhere to retail availability in a very quick time frame. Of course, it may end up being delayed for months and months too

What board are you using now? If you are sitting on a R8500/GF4 or better I would say hold off until the NV35 launches, see how it compares and then make your choice.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
The NV35 should be announced within the next month(by May 16th based on available information).

Do you guys think the NV35 will make a significant leap in performance over the 9800?

Based on what is known about it, yes. The NV30 is likely to look a lot better on the performance front when the Det50s hit, and the NV35 should be a sizeable amount faster then that(in the 50% area if what we have seen is to be believed). This is if nV pulls off what it appears they are shooting for. With IBM fabbing the chips it is possible that the this could be a repeat of the GeForce2 launch, coming from nowhere to retail availability in a very quick time frame. Of course, it may end up being delayed for months and months too

What board are you using now? If you are sitting on a R8500/GF4 or better I would say hold off until the NV35 launches, see how it compares and then make your choice.

Ha! You are a nVidiot Skywalker!
If it's supposed to be announced next month, think November! Look at the FX Ultra for proof!
50% better performance?! Ha!? That won't even bring it up to CURRENT 9800 PRO STANDARDS!
See! Kyle says so!
ATI roxorz boxorz, nVidia suxorz, gets dingle berries stuck in goatee!
Owned!
Buy an ATI, be happy for rest of the year.

-The hooting ATI loving monkeys

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"IMO you're either rich, retarded or ruled by your ego if you buy the NV35 OR the 9800PRO anytime in the next 3-4months "

Of course, since apparently think people's choice of VGA is a good reason to label and slander them, your opinion probably isn't worth much.
In the old days, you would have been the old man at the general store sputtering, "You're either rich, retarded, or status hungry if you buy one of those new fangled horseless carriages now! Wait till the prices drop, save some money! Horse will get a man around fine!"

this comming from the guy that got utterly handed the door in the other thread about the 9700Pro vs 5800

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"You can play the waiting game forever and never make a decision"
True, but that's not the case here. Anand himself has seen an nV35 in action, if it truly does come out in June, I'd feel like a SCHMUCK buying 9800 in May. You always want the latest if you're spending $400 on a VGA, and you don't want it to be last gen in 4 weeks.

that's what people said about the 9700pro and 5800Ultra. They all said "haha you bought a 9700Pro for $350? haha wait for nv30 you moron etc etc"

look what happened now

 

[Pete]

If you can wait for the NV35, then you can wait for FIC's 400/460MHz 256MB 9800P. That should make for a scintillating summertime comparison.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Buy the best you can get your hands on right now when you're ready to buy. Likely when you're waiting you'll find another use for $400 in the process and there goes your extra cash.

Plus there is NOTHING that won't run on a 9800Pro so why even worry about faster when the games won't even take advantage of what there is NOW...let alone 2-3 months away

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I'd get the 9800 Pro and start several flame bait threads just to get a rouse out of Rollo. That entertainment would at least make up for any money I would have "waisted" on such an inferior product.

 

[GamertilIdie]

Wow nice turnout! I'm basically building this new computer for Star Wars Galaxies. Like someone previously said I don't want to buy the 9800 in May for 400 bucks then have the NV35 blow it away and get released in June. It's not a big deal but since it's 400 bucks I would like to know I bought the best card out there for at least 3 months. People who bought the 9700 when it came out made out well....they got a kick ass card and it was king for roughly 8 months.

 

[Rogozhin]

Get a 9700 pro for $230

Pay a pro to take off the HS ($40 maybe) and apply artic silver 3, buy a cardcooler, download rage3dtweak, and OC it to 380/380.

Now you have a 9800 (a few hardware mods notwithstanding).

BUT

If you have the money now, wait a month and get the 9800 256mb version, OR wait another 4 months while nv pr leads you along with all kinds of bs for the NV35.

If the 9800 256mb is .13 then you are golden.

Rogo

I like rollo

 

[Rogozhin]

Rollo

Dingleberries taste like chestunts.

Why diss them?

Rogo

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Considering that SWG isn't even out yet, I'd wait as long as you can before settling on a card.

As far as the 9700 Pro being king for 8 months, considering neither the 5600 Ultra nor even the 9800 Pro completely blow out the 9700 Pro, its hard to believe that its truly been "dethroned". Truly those who jumped on a 9700 Pro early have been and still are sitting very pretty.

 

[Instigator]

I just purchased a Sapphire Radeon 9700 non pro. It was an upgrade from a GeForce2 Ti 64MB card.
All I can say is "WOW", now that's an upgrade worth 232.00 and will last me for a long time.
There is nothing, and I mean nuthin that this card cant handle.

Apparrently you haven't tried playing Unreal 2 at 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso. With those setting you would be lucky to hit 30 fps. There are plenty of current and very soon to be released games that will bring alot of the best cards to a halt. That's why it is a never ending battle for upgrading. If you don't mind running your card at lower settings (i.e. 800x600 or with 2x FSAA and no aniso) then you can make your card run for a couple years, but for me the standard is 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso, which is insanely hard to do with the best games like Unreal 2. That's why I'm waiting to see how the NV35 does compared to the 9800 pro.

 

[Rogozhin]

Also

Try forgotten battles, Splinter Cell, and Raven Shield, with all ingame settings on highest, plus EAX 2, and 8x AF 2x AA.

These games will bring your system to its knees.

rogo

 

[psy44]

Just go with the 9800 cuz if you keep waiting for the greatest graphics card, you'll never get one, a new one comes out every 6-10 months.

 

[nRollo]

"this comming from the guy that got utterly handed the door in the other thread about the 9700Pro vs 5800"

LOL oh yeah, I'm still smarting from that beating....

I'd "hand you the door", but you'd probably hurt yourself with it from what I can tell.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Instigator

I just purchased a Sapphire Radeon 9700 non pro. It was an upgrade from a GeForce2 Ti 64MB card.
All I can say is "WOW", now that's an upgrade worth 232.00 and will last me for a long time.
There is nothing, and I mean nuthin that this card cant handle.

Apparrently you haven't tried playing Unreal 2 at 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso. With those setting you would be lucky to hit 30 fps. There are plenty of current and very soon to be released games that will bring alot of the best cards to a halt. That's why it is a never ending battle for upgrading. If you don't mind running your card at lower settings (i.e. 800x600 or with 2x FSAA and no aniso) then you can make your card run for a couple years, but for me the standard is 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso, which is insanely hard to do with the best games like Unreal 2. That's why I'm waiting to see how the NV35 does compared to the 9800 pro.

I run Unreal 2 at 1024x768 8X AF and 4X AA at 40fps and seeing how it's a singleplayer game it's perfect

when you play games in singleplayer and you can move smoothly at 30fps and no severe stuttering why complain? I remember when we were lucky to get 30fps in the original Quake.

If you play multiplayer and get stuttering you're in trouble.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"this comming from the guy that got utterly handed the door in the other thread about the 9700Pro vs 5800"

LOL oh yeah, I'm still smarting from that beating....

I'd "hand you the door", but you'd probably hurt yourself with it from what I can t

I can see that you haven't learned yet. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Then you gotta shoot him

 

[Instigator]

I run Unreal 2 at 1024x768 8X AF and 4X AA at 40fps and seeing how it's a singleplayer game it's perfect

If that's your mininum fps while during heavy fighting then those are the best numbers I've seen, but my guess is you are talking average fps and not minumum, which has a direct impact on game play. I also notice a huge different in game play from 40 fps to 60fps. Of course this starts the whole 30 fps is all you need debate. For me, if you can play a game and your fps never dip below 60 fps, then you have good game play. When you start getting close to 30 fps, it's not acceptable for me.

 

[selfbuilt]

Originally posted by: Instigator
Apparrently you haven't tried playing Unreal 2 at 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso. With those setting you would be lucky to hit 30 fps. ... That's why I'm waiting to see how the NV35 does compared to the 9800 pro.

Unreal 2 is known to be insanely tough on frame rates (much worse than UT2K3). But on my lowly Radeon 9500 pro at those AA/AF settings (peformance AF, everything else on max) on a slightly slower system than yours (XP2000+, KT400 mobo, 512MB PC333), I routinely get in the 30-50 range on average game play. It's true that during heavy firefights I've seen it dip down into the low teens, however. But I'm sure the 9800 on a comparable system does considerably better (especially at minimum rates), and quite a bit better on a faster system with a better processor. If not, I would suspect there's something funny about the game that may not be representative of future titles.

That being said, I too also expect the NV35 will outperform the 9800 once it's released (and the ATI R400 will beat the N35, etc, etc). But given that its still damn near impossible to find an FX (NV30) locally where I live (in a major Canadian city), I don't expect to see the NV35 for some time to come!

I realize that may not be so great an issue for most of you shopping at newegg, but it sure is an issue north of the border (where newegg won't ship). Around here, you could get a 9700 Pro for as little as $315 US while the best local price for the 5800FX Ultra I've seen is $480! That makes any local choice pretty easy at present, and I suspect the eventual NV35 will also be priced less than competitively around here.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
The NV35 should be announced within the next month(by May 16th based on available information).

Do you guys think the NV35 will make a significant leap in performance over the 9800?

What board are you using now? If you are sitting on a R8500/GF4 or better I would say hold off until the NV35 launches, see how it compares and then make your choice.

Ha! You are a nVidiot Skywalker!
If it's supposed to be announced next month, think November! Look at the FX Ultra for proof!
50% better performance?! Ha!? That won't even bring it up to CURRENT 9800 PRO STANDARDS!
See! Kyle says so!
ATI roxorz boxorz, nVidia suxorz, gets dingle berries stuck in goatee!
Owned!
Buy an ATI, be happy for rest of the year.

-The hooting ATI loving monkeys

Rollo, do you know why the NV30 was delayed?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Instigator

I run Unreal 2 at 1024x768 8X AF and 4X AA at 40fps and seeing how it's a singleplayer game it's perfect

If that's your mininum fps while during heavy fighting then those are the best numbers I've seen, but my guess is you are talking average fps and not minumum, which has a direct impact on game play. I also notice a huge different in game play from 40 fps to 60fps. Of course this starts the whole 30 fps is all you need debate. For me, if you can play a game and your fps never dip below 60 fps, then you have good game play. When you start getting close to 30 fps, it's not acceptable for me.

Cant Unreal2 be played at 1024x768 without AA and AF? or does it look horrible that way.....
Just curious.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: selfbuilt

Originally posted by: Instigator
Apparrently you haven't tried playing Unreal 2 at 1024x768x32 4x FSAA with 8x aniso. With those setting you would be lucky to hit 30 fps. ... That's why I'm waiting to see how the NV35 does compared to the 9800 pro.

Unreal 2 is known to be insanely tough on frame rates (much worse than UT2K3). But on my lowly Radeon 9500 pro at those AA/AF settings (peformance AF, everything else on max) on a slightly slower system than yours (XP2000+, KT400 mobo, 512MB PC333), I routinely get in the 30-50 range on average game play. It's true that during heavy firefights I've seen it dip down into the low teens, however. But I'm sure the 9800 on a comparable system does considerably better (especially at minimum rates), and quite a bit better on a faster system with a better processor. If not, I would suspect there's something funny about the game that may not be representative of future titles.

That being said, I too also expect the NV35 will outperform the 9800 once it's released (and the ATI R400 will beat the N35, etc, etc). But given that its still damn near impossible to find an FX (NV30) locally where I live (in a major Canadian city), I don't expect to see the NV35 for some time to come!

I realize that may not be so great an issue for most of you shopping at newegg, but it sure is an issue north of the border (where newegg won't ship). Around here, you could get a 9700 Pro for as little as $315 US while the best local price for the 5800FX Ultra I've seen is $480! That makes any local choice pretty easy at present, and I suspect the eventual NV35 will also be priced less than competitively around here.

Get someone in the states to buy it and ship it to you.