Buttigieg and homophobia

[woolfe9998]

Your estimates sound about right to me, but my main point stands. I think Biden does well with them because he is the only one many of them have ever heard of.

That is the theory that I listed first, that it isn't that they don't like Pete; it's that they really like Biden. I accept that Biden's familiarity is why he's getting 40% black support which is extremely high for a primary with this many candidates. What it doesn't explain is why Pete's share of the remaining 60% is statistically zero. He's polling double digits with white voters and no digits with black voters.

When you've eliminated all other possibilities, whatever remains, no matter how undesirable, must be true. So far the only other possibility that has any merit is the firing of the South Bend police chief but as I said, I'm betting most voters don't even know about that.

So it seems that a gay candidate cannot win a primary of the country's liberal party because he's gay. Which means we haven't come nearly as far as we should have by now. The irony is that some blacks were offended by his comparing his plight being gay with the discrimination faced by people of color. Yet we've had a black POTUS and it seems we aren't ready for a gay one.

 

[uallas5]

I'm kind of surprised no one posted this. When I entered this thread, this is what I thought the discussion was about.

Clyburn says Pete Buttigieg being gay is an issue for older black voters

South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn says it's true openly gay presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg may find it tough to win support from older African American voters because of his sexuality. Rep. Clyburn was asked Sunday by CNN's Dana Bash if he thought Buttigieg being gay is why he's been...

abcnews4.com

 

[dingster1]

Hi, black person here. The prevailing sentiment among most black voters is that we want to beat Trump. First and foremost. Pete does not have the confidence of black people to make that happen. His orientation is a problem as well.

 

[dingster1]

Hi, black person here. The prevailing sentiment among most black voters is that we want to beat Trump. First and foremost. Pete does not have the confidence of black people to make that happen. His orientation is a problem as well.

 

[woolfe9998]

Hi, black person here. The prevailing sentiment among most black voters is that we want to beat Trump. First and foremost. Pete does not have the confidence of black people to make that happen. His orientation is a problem as well.

Good. I was hoping someone black would reply in this thread.

Is his orientation the reason he doesn't have the confidence of black voters, or is there another reason?

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm kind of surprised no one posted this. When I entered this thread, this is what I thought the discussion was about.

Clyburn says Pete Buttigieg being gay is an issue for older black voters

South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn says it's true openly gay presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg may find it tough to win support from older African American voters because of his sexuality. Rep. Clyburn was asked Sunday by CNN's Dana Bash if he thought Buttigieg being gay is why he's been...

abcnews4.com

Clyburn is one of the few people who are being honest about this.

 

[Bitek]

Hi, black person here. The prevailing sentiment among most black voters is that we want to beat Trump. First and foremost. Pete does not have the confidence of black people to make that happen. His orientation is a problem as well.

From a certain perspective, I think he's the inverse Obama. Yeah he can win white voters, but I'd like to see him do well in SC with the black vote before I feel comfortable backing him.

I like Booti, but he's a bit light on accomplishments for jumping right into the White House.

 

[Vic]

I'm white, and Pete's failure to impress me has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. IMO, he's simply under-qualified, and should run for governor or the Senate before the White House.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm white, and Pete's failure to impress me has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. IMO, he's simply under-qualified, and should run for governor or the Senate before the White House.

Agreed. He's not ready, and I don't think America is quite ready for him, either. Give it 20 years.

 

[woolfe9998]

Agreed. He's not ready, and I don't think America is quite ready for him, either. Give it 20 years.

The lack of experience is something which should affect voter preference in general, not black preference in particular. As to the 20 years, yeah you're probably right. A gay man can't even win a dem primary. It's pathetic.

 

[Jhhnn]

The lack of experience is something which should affect voter preference in general, not black preference in particular. As to the 20 years, yeah you're probably right. A gay man can't even win a dem primary. It's pathetic.

That's a bit maudlin. Have you forgotten where we we were & had been for ages a scant 20 years ago?

 

[woolfe9998]

That's a bit maudlin. Have you forgotten where we we were & had been for ages a scant 20 years ago?

I don't think being displeased with the fact that the dems won't nominate someone because they're gay is remotely maudlin. If that is maudlin, then pretty much all the left's concerns over inequality are maudlin.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Buttigieg is more than ready and qualified. He was a Navy officer and McKinsey consultant. That is the profile of someone who could easily steer the country, even at his age.

If he doesn’t make it out of the primaries, its due to the odd circular firing squad dynamic of the Democrat coalition. Black voters seem to prefer uninspired Boomer candidates with name recognition, and CNN ran a recent article about how the woke progressive left is pushing an odd #NeverPete movement because Buttigieg doesn’t pass all of their ridiculous purity tests.

 

[dank69]

That is the theory that I listed first, that it isn't that they don't like Pete; it's that they really like Biden. I accept that Biden's familiarity is why he's getting 40% black support which is extremely high for a primary with this many candidates. What it doesn't explain is why Pete's share of the remaining 60% is statistically zero. He's polling double digits with white voters and no digits with black voters.

When you've eliminated all other possibilities, whatever remains, no matter how undesirable, must be true. So far the only other possibility that has any merit is the firing of the South Bend police chief but as I said, I'm betting most voters don't even know about that.

So it seems that a gay candidate cannot win a primary of the country's liberal party because he's gay. Which means we haven't come nearly as far as we should have by now. The irony is that some blacks were offended by his comparing his plight being gay with the discrimination faced by people of color. Yet we've had a black POTUS and it seems we aren't ready for a gay one.

Not quite. There is a difference between liking Biden and merely recognizing his name. Plus they know Obama liked him, so he has that credibility going for him. I am guessing a lot of them just don't pay attention to politics and have never heard of Buttigieg. Does the Daily Show pull ratings with black people? Do late-night talk shows? I am guessing not really.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I guess I'm not homophobic at all. I read the title first as "Buttigieg and hemophilia"

Pete is IMO a good choice although like everyone has some problems as a candidate. For anyone that says, to the effect of "You are trying to bring the party down" yada yada yada? Fuck off and grow up.

Currently he and Warren are my favorites although I like Bernie. My concerns are about his health and age so his choice of VP is paramount amongst all other considerations.

Biden? He's the best candidate to help us pretend that the system works and we can go back to pretending we're a representative republic with a form of democracy. He's only a hundred times better a choice than Trump, but we need to tear the political system down as it is, a cancer of unicorns and roses for partisans.

 

[K1052]

The lack of experience is something which should affect voter preference in general, not black preference in particular. As to the 20 years, yeah you're probably right. A gay man can't even win a dem primary. It's pathetic.

As a gay person I'm starting to resent the implication I'm getting from some people that he deserves my support simply because he's gay. I don't particularly love his approach and the general condescension I feel when I hear him talk or especially get challenged by reporters. His problematic relationship with minorities is emblematic of the privilege white, well educated, and financially successful gay men possess that they aren't able to genuinely empathize with other people's experiences and it shows with all this fumbling about.

 

[Bitek]

Buttigieg is more than ready and qualified. He was a Navy officer and McKinsey consultant. That is the profile of someone who could easily steer the country, even at his age.

If he doesn’t make it out of the primaries, its due to the odd circular firing squad dynamic of the Democrat coalition. Black voters seem to prefer uninspired Boomer candidates with name recognition, and CNN ran a recent article about how the woke progressive left is pushing an odd #NeverPete movement because Buttigieg doesn’t pass all of their ridiculous purity tests.

Well it does make him more qualified than Trump that's for sure.

It's not like JFK was vastly more experienced or qualified, but that doesn't change the fact he's still an relatively unknown and untested politically.

May work out great, but it's a huge gamble. Not so sure people will line up to take that chance with so much on the line.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Buttigieg is more than ready and qualified. He was a Navy officer and McKinsey consultant. That is the profile of someone who could easily steer the country, even at his age.

If he doesn’t make it out of the primaries, its due to the odd circular firing squad dynamic of the Democrat coalition. Black voters seem to prefer uninspired Boomer candidates with name recognition, and CNN ran a recent article about how the woke progressive left is pushing an odd #NeverPete movement because Buttigieg doesn’t pass all of their ridiculous purity tests.

The fucking hilarity of people here that would give a virtual handy to Obama saying that Buttigieg is unqualified is making me fall over laughing.

You guys... you guiz are funny.

 

[K1052]

and CNN ran a recent article about how the woke progressive left is pushing an odd #NeverPete movement because Buttigieg doesn’t pass all of their ridiculous purity tests.

It's like everybody forgot about the Bernie Bros who did the same to Hillary during the 2016 primary and even general election. Ain't new.

 

[HomerJS]

You can stand behind your WE LOVE IMMIGRANTS! message all you want - the majority that come in from 3rd world countries are generally uneducated and highly religious.

So yeah, ready to let them flood in?

For your edification, you racist.

Sub-Saharan African Immigrants in the U.S. Are Often More Educated Than Those in Top European Destinations

Sub-Saharan immigrants in the United States are also more highly educated than the U.S. native born population.

www.pewresearch.org

I'd bet those darkies immigrating from those shithole countries are more educated then the rednecks from West Va.

 

[HomerJS]

The fucking hilarity of people here that would give a virtual handy to Obama saying that Buttigieg is unqualified is making me fall over laughing.

You guys... you guiz are funny.

Obama and Pete are more qualified in every way over the orange Cheeto except maybe twitter insults

 

[Vic]

The fucking hilarity of people here that would give a virtual handy to Obama saying that Buttigieg is unqualified is making me fall over laughing.

You guys... you guiz are funny.

What made Obama more qualified than Pete was that he actually had a shot at winning. The real fucking hilarity are the MAGA trolls who keep pushing the candidates without a chance in hell on the Democrats, while pretending no one notices that's what they're doing. But unfortunately, the joke is too old and tired to be funny anymore.

 

[Jhhnn]

What made Obama more qualified than Pete was that he actually had a shot at winning. The real fucking hilarity are the MAGA trolls who keep pushing the candidates without a chance in hell on the Democrats, while pretending no one notices that's what they're doing. But unfortunately, the joke is too old and tired to be funny anymore.

Thank you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What made Obama more qualified than Pete was that he actually had a shot at winning. The real fucking hilarity are the MAGA trolls who keep pushing the candidates without a chance in hell on the Democrats, while pretending no one notices that's what they're doing. But unfortunately, the joke is too old and tired to be funny anymore.

What are you basing your assessment of Obama vs Buttigieg on?

 

[Vic]

It's like everybody forgot about the Bernie Bros who did the same to Hillary during the 2016 primary and even general election. Ain't new.

I almost want Pete to win the nom just so I can watch the same concerned posters posting in the general about how stupid, etc the Dems were to run a unqualified, too young, too white, too gay candidate...