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Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...

Bush isn't up for re-election.

Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.
 

outriding

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Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...

Bush isn't up for re-election.

Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.

So with that logic Bush can do a crappy job and that is alright
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...

Bush isn't up for re-election.

Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.
Nagin's going to run for re-election of what? The city is gone for about a year.
 

conjur

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

???
 

outriding

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Feb 20, 2002
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Ok lets Recap this thread is about Bush and his response not the Mayors or the Governors.

If you want to complain about them start your own thread on it.

Bush had admitted already that he could have done more.

If you want to prove he did everything in his power do it.
 
Sep 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

???
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.
 

Tab

Lifer
Sep 15, 2002
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

???
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.

How about I settle it, you're both idiots.
 
Sep 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

???
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.

How about I settle it, you're both idiots.
Nah. I'd rather not let another idiot decide.

I'd try to find a non-idiot in here to make the determination, but they are in short supply, and I doubt we'd agree on who they were anyway.

 

conjur

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FEMA Chief Waited Until After Storm Hit
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_disaster_response
WASHINGTON - The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region ? and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.

Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities."

The initial responses of the government and Brown came under escalating criticism as the breadth of destruction and death grew.
President Bush and Congress on Tuesday pledged separate investigations into the federal response to Katrina. "Governments at all levels failed," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Brown had positioned front-line rescue teams and Coast Guard helicopters before the storm. Brown's memo on Aug. 29 aimed to assemble the necessary federal work force to support the rescues, establish communications and coordinate with victims and community groups, Knocke said.

Instead of rescuing people or recovering bodies, these employees would focus on helping victims find the help they needed, he said.

"There will be plenty of time to assess what worked and what didn't work," Knocke said. "Clearly there will be time for blame to be assigned and to learn from some of the successful efforts."

Brown's memo told employees that among their duties, they would be expected to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public."

"FEMA response and recovery operations are a top priority of the department and as we know, one of yours," Brown wrote Chertoff. He proposed sending 1,000 Homeland Security Department employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within seven days.

Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.

Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote.

The same day Brown wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., said Tuesday that Brown should step down.

After a senators-only briefing by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and other Cabinet members, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record) said lawmakers weren't getting their questions answered.

"What people up there want to know, Democrats and Republicans, is what is the challenge ahead, how are you handling that and what did you do wrong in the past," said Schumer, D-N.Y.

Sen. Ted Stevens (news, bio, voting record), R-Alaska, said the administration is "getting a bad rap" for the emergency response.

"This is the largest disaster in the history of the United States, over an area twice the size of Europe," Stevens said. "People have to understand this is a big, big problem."

Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could participate in an airlift for refugees.
 

outriding

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.


That is a poor response.

You are pissed off that Conjur might have complained about a photo op if Bush was there on day one. That is a woulda , coulda , shoulda type of answer.

If Bush did a very good job on day one this conversation would not be here. But the fact of the matter Bush did a poor job. And now people are upset at the matter that Bush is backpedaling by doing a photo op to "show" people that he is doing a good job. Right now with the photo op Bush is trying to polish a turd and the turd being his piss poor performance.

 

conjur

No Lifer
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Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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FEMA was late, Bush was late, the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were also late. they all delayed the rescue operations and caused more death and injury.

i think this whole disaster response needs to be investigated by a bi-partisan commitee, just like the 9/11 commission. the results of that report were deep and detailed, we need the same for this, so we can understand future natural disasters better and how we should deal with them.

and reading about how those firefighters took a day course that included things such as sexual harrassment makes me feel funny. not in a good funny kind of way

also saying that because Bush was not in NO makes him weak is kind of not totally reasonable. i think he should have been to ground zero almost immediately, just like he went to ground zero at the World Trade Center site almost immediately. but ground zero here could be NO, Mississippi, Alabama or even Florida. 11 people died in Florida because of Hurricane Katrina. his visit sooner to any of those states and places would have done a lot of good.

oh and thanks again Wal-Mart. not only has Wal-Mart donated $17 million along with trucks of aid, but they have also hired many people displaced by the hurricane. they are doing such an awesome job its hard to put in words. a new found respect for Wal-Mart i have now

i blame Bush, Blanco and Nagin. but since Bush is the leader of this country, he has more responsibility.

BBond, calm down and get some rest.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Jun 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.

Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.

Still waiting.

???

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.

BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.
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ShadesOfGrey

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Jun 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.

There is no running and hiding. Your BS has nothing to do with the timeline that I posted and you responded to. Why can't you acknowledge that? I do not have to answer to you or answer your questions, especially when you are diverting from the timeline, when responding to me, by doing so.

outriding - conjur did on day one start whining about Bush not being there and now he's whining about a photo-op. Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
 

imported_Pedro69

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Jan 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...

Bush isn't up for re-election.

Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.

So Bush basically doesn't give a sh*t how his performance looks like and you think this helps you with your argument? LOL :roll:
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: raildogg
FEMA was late, Bush was late, the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were also late. they all delayed the rescue operations and caused more death and injury.

i think this whole disaster response needs to be investigated by a bi-partisan commitee, just like the 9/11 commission. the results of that report were deep and detailed, we need the same for this, so we can understand future natural disasters better and how we should deal with them.

and reading about how those firefighters took a day course that included things such as sexual harrassment makes me feel funny. not in a good funny kind of way

also saying that because Bush was not in NO makes him weak is kind of not totally reasonable. i think he should have been to ground zero almost immediately, just like he went to ground zero at the World Trade Center site almost immediately. but ground zero here could be NO, Mississippi, Alabama or even Florida. 11 people died in Florida because of Hurricane Katrina. his visit sooner to any of those states and places would have done a lot of good.

oh and thanks again Wal-Mart. not only has Wal-Mart donated $17 million along with trucks of aid, but they have also hired many people displaced by the hurricane. they are doing such an awesome job its hard to put in words. a new found respect for Wal-Mart i have now

i blame Bush, Blanco and Nagin. but since Bush is the leader of this country, he has more responsibility.

BBond, calm down and get some rest.
I thought the 9/11 Commission was supposed to be the thing that fixed things for the future? FEMA was revamped a bit after that, eh? Falling under DHS and personnel changes.
 

Pabster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Pedro69
So Bush basically doesn't give a sh*t how his performance looks like and you think this helps you with your argument? LOL :roll:

Nice to see you can spell and write out a sentence now.

Where did I say that Bush didn't care about his performance? I did mention in another thread that -I- didn't care about Bush's job performance numbers, which I don't.

 

conjur

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
There is no running and hiding. Your BS has nothing to do with the timeline that I posted and you responded to. Why can't you acknowledge that? I do not have to answer to you or answer your questions, especially when you are diverting from the timeline, when responding to me, by doing so.
You can attack me but when I call you on it you slink back under your rock? Typical.

outriding - conjur did on day one start whining about Bush not being there and now he's whining about a photo-op. Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
And the fact you don't understand the difference speaks volumes to the lack of your ability for critical thinking.
 

imported_Pedro69

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Jan 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Pedro69
So Bush basically doesn't give a sh*t how his performance looks like and you think this helps you with your argument? LOL :roll:

Nice to see you can spell and write out a sentence now.

Where did I say that Bush didn't care about his performance? I did mention in another thread that -I- didn't care about Bush's job performance numbers, which I don't.

Thank You:heart: [insert usual rant] :lips:

I did not say anything about "job performance numbers", this is about his performance during the last week.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Jun 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
There is no running and hiding. Your BS has nothing to do with the timeline that I posted and you responded to. Why can't you acknowledge that? I do not have to answer to you or answer your questions, especially when you are diverting from the timeline, when responding to me, by doing so.
You can attack me but when I call you on it you slink back under your rock? Typical.

outriding - conjur did on day one start whining about Bush not being there and now he's whining about a photo-op. Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
And the fact you don't understand the difference speaks volumes to the lack of your ability for critical thinking.

Call me on it? You are the one who is trying to divert attention from the timeline I linked to by going off on some other BS. Some other BS that exposes you as the extreme partisan hack you are, I might ad.;)

 

conjur

No Lifer
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You might be able to "ad" but you can't spell.


Now, answer the question. How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing? Or, do you support the wasting of highly-trained resources like them?
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
You might be able to "ad" but you can't spell.


Now, answer the question. How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing? Or, do you support the wasting of highly-trained resources like them?

That has nothing to do with the timeline link I posted as I've said.

You supported wasting the highly-trained resources on day one - did you not?( I didn't ) Answer the question conjur. Are you a hypocrit or just a run of the mill leftist who's hate has consumed them? - or both?
 

conjur

No Lifer
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Ok, finally, you halfway answered the question. Now, finish it up.

How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing?
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, finally, you halfway answered the question. Now, finish it up.

How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing?

I never said it was a good thing. Now are you going to answer to your obvious hypocrisy? Did you or did you not call for Bush to be there on day one? You supported wasting the highly-trained resources on day one - did you not?

It's in your court conjur, you've already missed multiple times. Going to actually step up and admit your hackery/hypocrisy/or shifting standards? We'll wait.

By the way, none of this has anything to do with the timeline link I posted. Just further diversions from you on that issue.