Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...
Bush isn't up for re-election.
Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.
Nagin's going to run for re-election of what? The city is gone for about a year.Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...
Bush isn't up for re-election.
Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
???
Nah. I'd rather not let another idiot decide.Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been explained to you already. Your failure to acknowledge that just shows what a lame hack you are.Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
???
How about I settle it, you're both idiots.
WASHINGTON - The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region ? and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.
Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.
Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.
Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities."
The initial responses of the government and Brown came under escalating criticism as the breadth of destruction and death grew.
President Bush and Congress on Tuesday pledged separate investigations into the federal response to Katrina. "Governments at all levels failed," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine.
Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Brown had positioned front-line rescue teams and Coast Guard helicopters before the storm. Brown's memo on Aug. 29 aimed to assemble the necessary federal work force to support the rescues, establish communications and coordinate with victims and community groups, Knocke said.
Instead of rescuing people or recovering bodies, these employees would focus on helping victims find the help they needed, he said.
"There will be plenty of time to assess what worked and what didn't work," Knocke said. "Clearly there will be time for blame to be assigned and to learn from some of the successful efforts."
Brown's memo told employees that among their duties, they would be expected to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public."
"FEMA response and recovery operations are a top priority of the department and as we know, one of yours," Brown wrote Chertoff. He proposed sending 1,000 Homeland Security Department employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within seven days.
Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.
Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote.
The same day Brown wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts.
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., said Tuesday that Brown should step down.
After a senators-only briefing by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and other Cabinet members, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record) said lawmakers weren't getting their questions answered.
"What people up there want to know, Democrats and Republicans, is what is the challenge ahead, how are you handling that and what did you do wrong in the past," said Schumer, D-N.Y.
Sen. Ted Stevens (news, bio, voting record), R-Alaska, said the administration is "getting a bad rap" for the emergency response.
"This is the largest disaster in the history of the United States, over an area twice the size of Europe," Stevens said. "People have to understand this is a big, big problem."
Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could participate in an airlift for refugees.
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.
BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, ShadesOfGrey, what's that reality? Explain to me how using firefighters as PR toadies is a GOOD thing.
Go ahead. I can't wait to hear this one.
Still waiting.
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[/quote]Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
And you responded to a TIMELINE link posted by me. Your blabber has nothing to do with what I posted.
BTW, weren't you the one yapping about how Bush should have been there on day one? Yet here you sit whining (again) about how it's all just a photo-op? You don't think that resources would have been used if he went there on day one?(which I believe I and others pointed out when you were foaming at the mouth about it). Yep, that was you. Go figure, nothing but a lying hypocrit troll.
Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
Originally posted by: Pabster
LOL all the people who are saying Bush is going to "feel the heat" ...
Bush isn't up for re-election.
Nagin and Blanco will be. And I think their fates are sealed.
I thought the 9/11 Commission was supposed to be the thing that fixed things for the future? FEMA was revamped a bit after that, eh? Falling under DHS and personnel changes.Originally posted by: raildogg
FEMA was late, Bush was late, the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were also late. they all delayed the rescue operations and caused more death and injury.
i think this whole disaster response needs to be investigated by a bi-partisan commitee, just like the 9/11 commission. the results of that report were deep and detailed, we need the same for this, so we can understand future natural disasters better and how we should deal with them.
and reading about how those firefighters took a day course that included things such as sexual harrassment makes me feel funny. not in a good funny kind of way
also saying that because Bush was not in NO makes him weak is kind of not totally reasonable. i think he should have been to ground zero almost immediately, just like he went to ground zero at the World Trade Center site almost immediately. but ground zero here could be NO, Mississippi, Alabama or even Florida. 11 people died in Florida because of Hurricane Katrina. his visit sooner to any of those states and places would have done a lot of good.
oh and thanks again Wal-Mart. not only has Wal-Mart donated $17 million along with trucks of aid, but they have also hired many people displaced by the hurricane. they are doing such an awesome job its hard to put in words. a new found respect for Wal-Mart i have now
i blame Bush, Blanco and Nagin. but since Bush is the leader of this country, he has more responsibility.
BBond, calm down and get some rest.
Originally posted by: Pedro69
So Bush basically doesn't give a sh*t how his performance looks like and you think this helps you with your argument? LOL :roll:
You can attack me but when I call you on it you slink back under your rock? Typical.Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
There is no running and hiding. Your BS has nothing to do with the timeline that I posted and you responded to. Why can't you acknowledge that? I do not have to answer to you or answer your questions, especially when you are diverting from the timeline, when responding to me, by doing so.Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
And the fact you don't understand the difference speaks volumes to the lack of your ability for critical thinking.outriding - conjur did on day one start whining about Bush not being there and now he's whining about a photo-op. Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Pedro69
So Bush basically doesn't give a sh*t how his performance looks like and you think this helps you with your argument? LOL :roll:
Nice to see you can spell and write out a sentence now.
Where did I say that Bush didn't care about his performance? I did mention in another thread that -I- didn't care about Bush's job performance numbers, which I don't.
Originally posted by: conjur
You can attack me but when I call you on it you slink back under your rock? Typical.Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
There is no running and hiding. Your BS has nothing to do with the timeline that I posted and you responded to. Why can't you acknowledge that? I do not have to answer to you or answer your questions, especially when you are diverting from the timeline, when responding to me, by doing so.Originally posted by: conjur
Exactly. And I've said as much before. ShadesOfGrey just refuses a very simple question...one based on a derogatory comment he leveled in my direction and now he runs and hide because he knows he's in the wrong.
And the fact you don't understand the difference speaks volumes to the lack of your ability for critical thinking.outriding - conjur did on day one start whining about Bush not being there and now he's whining about a photo-op. Smacks of nothing but partisan hackery.
Originally posted by: conjur
You might be able to "ad" but you can't spell.
Now, answer the question. How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing? Or, do you support the wasting of highly-trained resources like them?
Originally posted by: conjur
Ok, finally, you halfway answered the question. Now, finish it up.
How is using volunteer firefighters as PR toadies a GOOD thing?
