Being granted a medical deferment, like Dean- lots of seemingly healthy guys were deemed 1Y for flat feet, heart murmurs, back trouble, whatever the military docs decided
Originally posted by: Gaard
Being granted a medical deferment, like Dean- lots of seemingly healthy guys were deemed 1Y for flat feet, heart murmurs, back trouble, whatever the military docs decided
And never forget the ever popular pilonidal cyst.![]()
George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University. The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn in on the day he applied.
Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H. W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists: "There was no special treatment."
Isn't that about the time he was denied transfer?In the spring of 1972, however, National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the Guard again.
Uhh, doesn't that make you AWOL?Although that unit's commander was willing to welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron."
Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama.
Uhh, doesn't that make you AWOL?Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that summer.
Hmm, doesn't that make you AWOL?On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote Bush.
Bush's records contain no evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October.
So serving for up to 10 days satisfied his service requirement? I bet current Guard/Reserves in Iraq and Afghanistan would love that kind of arrangement.Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable, because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during the time he spent in that state.
Let's see if I'm following. Bush went to AL without permission. Goofed off working as a political hack. Served maybe a couple of days with his unit. Election results apparently determined his move back to TX. But despite returning to his home state he made no effort to return to his assigned unit or contact his CO. So his squadron commander didn't see him but the base commander has a hearsay recollection that he made up his time?!After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost track of his whereabouts. On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
Aren't these the documents that were "altered" by Georgemag?Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman.
On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training, and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for the year ending in May 1974.
On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School. He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service toward his six-year service obligation.
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University. The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn in on the day he applied.
Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H. W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists: "There was no special treatment."
Isn't that about the time he was denied transfer?In the spring of 1972, however, National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the Guard again.
Uhh, doesn't that make you AWOL?Although that unit's commander was willing to welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron."
Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama.
Uhh, doesn't that make you AWOL?Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that summer.
Hmm, doesn't that make you AWOL?On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote Bush.
Bush's records contain no evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October.
So serving for up to 10 days satisfied his service requirement? I bet current Guard/Reserves in Iraq and Afghanistan would love that kind of arrangement.Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable, because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during the time he spent in that state.
Let's see if I'm following. Bush went to AL without permission. Goofed off working as a political hack. Served maybe a couple of days with his unit. Election results apparently determined his move back to TX. But despite returning to his home state he made no effort to return to his assigned unit or contact his CO. So his squadron commander didn't see him but the base commander has a hearsay recollection that he made up his time?!After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost track of his whereabouts. On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
Aren't these the documents that were "altered" by Georgemag?Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman.
On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training, and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for the year ending in May 1974.
On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School. He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service toward his six-year service obligation.
AWOL GWB
Rules are for people that lack imagination . . . or have no fear of repercussion.
I cannot disagree with you that he completed the bare minimum requirement (thnx to gratuitous hours) and received an honorable early discharge. But he was still AWOL . . . in 1972 into 1973.In the end he did complete the requirements and received an honorable discharge.
Clearly, Bush was absent without leave on multiple occasions . . . or depending on your preference . . . one extended period from Spring 1972-Spring 1973. I'm just as intrigued by Bush's claim that he felt flight was going to be a career . . . yet he bailed at the earliest opportunity.02/03/2004 11:39 PM The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I cannot disagree with you that he completed the bare minimum requirement (thnx to gratuitous hours) and received an honorable early discharge. But he was still AWOL . . . in 1972 into 1973.In the end he did complete the requirements and received an honorable discharge.
If the totality of your claim was that he completed his requirements and received an honorable dischage then I would be in full agreement.
But you said,Clearly, Bush was absent without leave on multiple occasions . . . or depending on your preference . . . one extended period from Spring 1972-Spring 1973. I'm just as intrigued by Bush's claim that he felt flight was going to be a career . . . yet he bailed at the earliest opportunity.02/03/2004 11:39 PM The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either
Thank God for that..Rarely can one be a Rhodes Scholar
Originally posted by: burnedout
*Breaking News*Bush to release records of Guard service-Film at eleven
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: burnedout
*Breaking News*Bush to release records of Guard service-Film at eleven
Bush credited for Guard drills
CkG
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: burnedout
*Breaking News*Bush to release records of Guard service-Film at eleven
Bush credited for Guard drills
CkG
Hmm, I wonder if the pussy libs will show up and say anything now.You ever notice how all the time you are hearing those stupid ass Democrats screaming, ranting, and raving. When was the last time you have seen a republican act quite like an ass by hooting and hollering? They're just angry little people, I tell ya.
KK
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: burnedout
*Breaking News*Bush to release records of Guard service-Film at eleven
Bush credited for Guard drills
CkG
Hmm, I wonder if the pussy libs will show up and say anything now.You ever notice how all the time you are hearing those stupid ass Democrats screaming, ranting, and raving. When was the last time you have seen a republican act quite like an ass by hooting and hollering? They're just angry little people, I tell ya.
KK
Here is a canned explanation from a person "in the know" that coincides with my knowledge of OER/EER/NCOER administration:Originally posted by: tnitsuj
But the documents seem unlikely to resolve questions about whether Bush shirked his duty during his tour as a fighter-interceptor pilot for the Texas Air Guard during the Vietnam War. That is because some of the dates on the service list fell during a period in the fall of 1972 when Bush was reassigned to a guard unit in Alabama. The commander of the Alabama unit has said Bush did not appear for duty at his assigned unit there.
Bartlett said the Guard drills Bush is listed as attending in January and April 1973 were probably conducted at Bush's home base in Houston. But on May 2, 1973, Bush's two commanders at Ellington Air Force Base wrote that they could not evaluate his performance for the prior 12 months because he had not been there. Two other Bush superiors said in interviews four years ago that they do not believe Bush ever returned to his Houston base from Alabama.