Bushs Military Record in Question . . . Deeply

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Jibed
and Bill Clinton was where?

O, yea England.

But that was alright hey Captn!

Whoa, Clinton went AWOL to England? The people in his unit must have been sorely disappointed.
 
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Originally posted by: JoeBaD
and Bill Clinton was where?

O, yea England.

But that was alright hey Captn!

I thought Bill was in Russia with a beard, passport, and a bag of pot when his country called him...silly me. Deans was skiing with the bad back, right? Funny how this wasn't a front-burner issue while Dean was leading the charge...now that Kerry is in the lead, military service comes into question...funny how that works.
 

CaptnKirk

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Johnny boy - just what do you think they would have done to you if you went AWOL ?
Clinton was not in the service, neither was Dean.
Bush was - and had 'Special' treatment - including the hiding of the facts of his 'alledged' service.

I did my time from '64 ti '68, was in the 'Zone in '66 and '67.
A lot more than the shrub.
 

CanOWorms

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I don't even care if Clinton went AWOL or if he didn't. Almost anyone can be a soldier. Rarely can one be a Rhodes Scholar. That is something that definitely should not be given up unless in the most dire circumstances. I think a Rhodes scholar would help the country more than a guy in a jungle (obviously I'm talking about different types of helping). No disrespect intended to soldiers or anything, just my view.
 

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't even care if Clinton went AWOL or if he didn't. Almost anyone can be a soldier. Rarely can one be a Rhodes Scholar. That is something that definitely should not be given up unless in the most dire circumstances. I think a Rhodes scholar would help the country more than a guy in a jungle (obviously I'm talking about different types of helping). No disrespect intended to soldiers or anything, just my view.
General Clark was both a soldier and Rhodes Scholar. :cool:

Of course, graduating number one in the class at USMA helps.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't even care if Clinton went AWOL or if he didn't. Almost anyone can be a soldier. Rarely can one be a Rhodes Scholar. That is something that definitely should not be given up unless in the most dire circumstances. I think a Rhodes scholar would help the country more than a guy in a jungle (obviously I'm talking about different types of helping). No disrespect intended to soldiers or anything, just my view.
General Clark was both a soldier and Rhodes Scholar. :cool:

Of course, graduating number one in the class at USMA helps.

Yep, I know :) I'm not saying soldiers are dumb or anything like that. I just think that the opportunity of being a Rhodes Scholar would be more beneficial to the country (in my views) than just being another soldier. I also think it's something that shouldn't be passed up unless you absolutely have to.
 

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Johnny boy - just what do you think they would have done to you if you went AWOL ?
Clinton was not in the service, neither was Dean.
Bush was - and had 'Special' treatment - including the hiding of the facts of his 'alledged' service.

I did my time from '64 ti '68, was in the 'Zone in '66 and '67.
A lot more than the shrub.

yeah were you a remf?
 
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Johnny boy - just what do you think they would have done to you if you went AWOL ?
Clinton was not in the service, neither was Dean.
Bush was - and had 'Special' treatment - including the hiding of the facts of his 'alledged' service.

I did my time from '64 ti '68, was in the 'Zone in '66 and '67.
A lot more than the shrub.

Again, this wasn't as issue when Dean was leading the rat pack....this wasn't an issue during the 2000 elections; now, however, Kerry, though he says he hasn't made up his mind yet, wants to make an issue out of this. How this affect Bush's ability to lead this nation again?
 
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excuse my typos above...never usually post from home and I stopped off at the 'Republican Club' on my way home :) I shall refrain from future posts tonight... :)

 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Johnny boy - just what do you think they would have done to you if you went AWOL ?
Clinton was not in the service, neither was Dean.
Bush was - and had 'Special' treatment - including the hiding of the facts of his 'alledged' service.

I did my time from '64 ti '68, was in the 'Zone in '66 and '67.
A lot more than the shrub.

Again, this wasn't as issue when Dean was leading the rat pack....this wasn't an issue during the 2000 elections; now, however, Kerry, though he says he hasn't made up his mind yet, wants to make an issue out of this. How this affect Bush's ability to lead this nation again?

I don't recall anyone ever saying this would have an effect on his ability to lead the nation.

 

Witling

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Well, Nietzscheusw, the "so what" part of it is I'd just as soon not see the puppet elected again. Partisan politics aside, Our Pres Bush has clearly been the beneficiary of special treatment his whole life. Some of these people have the backbone to live up to that. Some of them don't. I fancy the Pres in the latter category. If looking into his military record is what it takes, by all means.
 

Nietzscheusw

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Basically, we agree to disagree with people who do not mind electing a puppet to the presidency of the USA.
Why not a parrot instead. At least it is beautiful!
 

Orsorum

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The thing I find funny is that Bush has never really been lamblasted for being a coke-snorting deserter, yet while Clinton was in office you couldn't hardly get a sentence out of a conservative without hearing the term "pot smoking draft dodger". At least Clinton was a Rhodes' Scholar at the time.
 

myusername

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LOL. Oh damn, sorry, but this is priceless:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/arrest2.jpg

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of a Fascist organization?"

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of any ... group ... which seeks to alter the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

Edit agin: yes, it's from smashp's link - just savoring the irony and neffing :eek:
 

chess9

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Ok then Le Prez was, at the least, "En Garde"!

I think we need a constitutional amendment that to be President you MUST have found a legal way to dodge the draft. If you actually served, well, you are obviously naive, not well-connected, and probably too stupid to be President.

I'm hoping we have at least 20 or so regular posters who would make Presidential muster under that criterion. :)

Gee, the possibilities are....well....at least amusing. :)

-Robert
 

heartsurgeon

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i thought Clinton figured this out for all you liberals...

anything to do with sex is private and you get a "mulligan" if you get caught.

anything to do with the military service doesn't count..

move along now..
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i thought Clinton figured this out for all you liberals...

anything to do with sex is private and you get a "mulligan" if you get caught.

anything to do with the military service doesn't count..

move along now..

Dammit!! I knew I should've saved a link to that thread where you were complaining about folks talking about Bush in a Clinton thread.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Again, this wasn't as issue when Dean was leading the rat pack....this wasn't an issue during the 2000 elections; now, however, Kerry, though he says he hasn't made up his mind yet, wants to make an issue out of this. How this affect Bush's ability to lead this nation again?
It doesn't. Either way, he's still a disaster.

 

Jhhnn

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Having been of prime draft age at the time, all I can say is that few actually wanted to serve in Vietnam. It's why there was a draft. The War was tremendously unpopular. There were a variety of legitimate ways whereby it could be avoided. Staying in school, being deferred, a la Clinton, and myself. Being granted a medical deferment, like Dean- lots of seemingly healthy guys were deemed 1Y for flat feet, heart murmurs, back trouble, whatever the military docs decided. Guys who tried to enlist were turned away, deferred, for seemingly trivial medical reasons. Some guys went to jail, a very few obtained conscientious objector status, some guys just got drafted... even running off to Canada took a certain amount of conviction and nerve.

And then there was the Guard, and the Reserves. Everybody knew it took heavy connections to get into either one. Just the way it was, just the truth. Dubya's family had those connections, obviously, and more. Generally speaking, however, Guard commanders made their charges live up to their obligations or end up in the stinking jungle.

The simple fact that Dubya's record is, uhh, incomplete, and that he does nothing constructive to clear his name indicates that he may well have been granted extremely favorable treatment, even for a richkid guardsman.

And it becomes an issue when he parades around in military garb, staging carrier landings, claiming he served himself as he sends young troops off into harm's way. It seems hypocritical and deceptive, insulting to those who truly did serve.

I personally don't have a problem with anybody's role during that period of time, just so long as they're honest about it. Kerry and McCain deserve their accolades, they earned them. Clinton never laid claim to any, neither does Dean. None of them are lying about it.